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Apply streak treatment to vigor?
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigor
And you rather make my point.Wreuntzylla wrote: »
Three taps? One tap if you spec right... I agree that for PvP, defile is the counter, but there are threads on this board asking for a defile nerf. Both sides should meet in the middle and not have ZoS sledgehammer the two....
How should an Off heal thing be a one tap to full health?
You argue for no balance but you basically outline why it should be!
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭No nerfWith the exception of rally (which is only used with shuffle otherwise foward momentum is used) and warden shrooms, there is no on demand stam burst heal6 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigorstarkerealm wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »Assuming this is about pvp.
Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"
Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.
Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.
What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!
You assume incorrectly.
*Everyone* can kill me in PVP xD
I simply think vigor is OP - no matter how much I personally am grateful for it at times.
Well, if you're relying on Vigor to keep you alive, no wonder you're annoyed with it. But, yeah, as others have pointed out, Vigor isn't spammable as it exists now. Sure, you can double or triple cast it, but that does nothing except extend the duration.
Smh. This is why it's nearly pointless to talk on forum - people missing the point so hard that we need to nerf roll dodge.
If you don't have a class heal it's basically an offheal, so then you shouldn't be able to one click = full health.
Or: make a Stam and Mag morph then. So everyone can click once and have full health.
*Not about pvp so stop arguing like I got heat and am here over that* because I don't pvp as such, so this is not related to that.3 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Other nerf"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub10 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigorDeadlyRecluse wrote: »"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.
Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP in that I think *no one not having 1/3 their skill trees devoted to healing* should have a 'one click access to full health' skill.
I think vigor is OP but I want a balance not a nerf as such.Edited by Mureel on March 1, 2018 4:38PM0 -
xbobx✭✭✭✭✭I am going to tell you a secret. Many of us play solo and vigor allows us to actually do content solo where we couldnt do before and yet other classes could.
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coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No nerfNo, give us other options to heal before nerfing the only one we got besides specialized ones (warden ad 2hand)Hoping for more playable races6 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No nerf
Which is why ZOS shouldn't listen to one sided threads such as this.DeadlyRecluse wrote: »"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.
Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP9 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Other nerfDeadlyRecluse wrote: »"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.
Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP in that I think *no one not having 1/3 their skill trees devoted to healing* should have a 'one click access to full health' skill.
I think vigor is OP but I want a balance not a nerf as such.
...you'll notice, "Hun," that I agree that Vigor needs an adjustment.
"Streak treatment" just goes against the core of this game's initial design (no cooldowns on skills) and would barely impact Vigor, anyway.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No nerfUnlike streak or rolldodge, vigor dont allow you to escape battle or evade incoming damage.7 -
Hoked_on_ponix✭✭✭"Streak Treatment" is an increased cost penalty if you use streak more than once within a 4 second window. How would applying it to vigor which is a 5 second HoT do anything? It would punish people who recast it in that window and are already wasting resources?9 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No nerf.starkerealm wrote: »The_Brosteen wrote: »Assuming this is about pvp.
Biased poll is biased. "There's no reason anyone who isn't a healer need such an OP self heal"
Shoutout to all those stam healers out there. Y'all the real mvps.
Stacking vigors might be op, but thats not what you're talking about here. On that note, the point is just as easily made that it requires good teamwork. Also stscking rapid regen is probably more effective because it allows more freedom of maneuver.
What happened? Vigor stop you from killing someone? There's something called defile you know. Its super effective!
You assume incorrectly.
*Everyone* can kill me in PVP xD
I simply think vigor is OP - no matter how much I personally am grateful for it at times.
Well, if you're relying on Vigor to keep you alive, no wonder you're annoyed with it. But, yeah, as others have pointed out, Vigor isn't spammable as it exists now. Sure, you can double or triple cast it, but that does nothing except extend the duration.
Smh. This is why it's nearly pointless to talk on forum - people missing the point so hard that we need to nerf roll dodge.
If you don't have a class heal it's basically an offheal, so then you shouldn't be able to one click = full health.
Or: make a Stam and Mag morph then. So everyone can click once and have full health.
*Not about pvp so stop arguing like I got heat and am here over that* because I don't pvp as such, so this is not related to that.
So nerf restro staff to since it isn’t a class heal either... oh wait now I get it. You are upset as a magic user that you have to equip the restro staff possibly messing up a whole bar. And mister stamina just equips one skill. Why didn’t you just come out and say that. This nerf vigor thing is sort of silly.12 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No nerfVigor was nerfed in Morrowind via a 30% cost increase ...
Vigor can't be stacked; multiple casts just reset the duration. Which is a silly thing to do because Vigor isn't cheap ... its base cost is 3511 which is about 10% of the average stamina user's resource pool. Compare that to, say, Twilight Matriarch, which is a massive burst heal with a lower base cost that uses a much smaller percentage of a Magsorc's primary resource pool.
Vigor is also not a "1-click to full health" heal, unless you mean "1-click to full health over 5 seconds as long as all 5 ticks crit." On my stamsorc, buffed with Major Brutality, in gold BiS gear, non-crit ticks are ~2.5k and crit ticks are ~4.5k. Ticks on other players (with Resolving) are far less than that.
If Vigor is so OP that we don't need healers ... then why does every group still run healers? In PvE I rarely use Vigor outside of Maelstrom or PUG dungeon groups.Edited by LiquidPony on March 1, 2018 5:16PM14 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭No nerfElsterchen wrote: »
Precisely, unless you count repentence, either give stamplar a self heal in their skill trees or make bol scale off max stat or something
And yes, it was a joke, those 3 classes have no reliable class self healsEdited by JobooAGS on March 1, 2018 5:11PM3 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigorDeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.
Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP in that I think *no one not having 1/3 their skill trees devoted to healing* should have a 'one click access to full health' skill.
I think vigor is OP but I want a balance not a nerf as such.
...you'll notice, "Hun," that I agree that Vigor needs an adjustment.
"Streak treatment" just goes against the core of this game's initial design (no cooldowns on skills) and would barely impact Vigor, anyway.
Oh dear - now we're all bent that I said 'hun' I wasn't disagreeing with you and I thought you remembered me xD guess not lol0 -
Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭No nerfVaranisArano wrote: »Hi, I'm a stam character in solo Vet Maelstrom, and I'd like to have an on-demand stamina heal without playing a warden.
Hi, I'm a stam character playing solo/small group in PVP, and I'd like to have an on-demand stamina heal without playing a warden or requiring a healer in my group.
Sure, most PVE group content doesn't require a stamina heal like Vigor. I'll also grant that most PVE overland questing content doesn't require Vigor. But for PVP and VMA, both of those are places where a stamina build should be able to heal themself without relying on a healer or playing the few classes that do have reliable and powerful stam self-heals.
Still, too spammable. It's healing harder and taking less resources than it should.
I'm not saying remove it- I'm saying uncrutchify it.
Spamming Vigor would be stupid since it's a 5 second Heal over TIme. Unless you think casting an ability every 5 seconds is a spamable.
Casting it before the 5 seconds is up is actually a waste of resources, so it already has the increased cost for spamming.7 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭✭No nerfNo, it's fine the way it is. Just change the second morph, which no one uses, into a magicka ability, so that also magicka classes (especially sorc and nb) can have a reliable self-healing without having to slot a resto staff.0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Other nerfDeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.
Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP in that I think *no one not having 1/3 their skill trees devoted to healing* should have a 'one click access to full health' skill.
I think vigor is OP but I want a balance not a nerf as such.
...you'll notice, "Hun," that I agree that Vigor needs an adjustment.
"Streak treatment" just goes against the core of this game's initial design (no cooldowns on skills) and would barely impact Vigor, anyway.
Oh dear - now we're all bent that I said 'hun' I wasn't disagreeing with you and I thought you remembered me xD guess not lol
: P I'm at work and my internet reading comprehension suffers...mea culpa
I probably would remember a toon name?Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Hurtfan✭✭✭✭✭No nerfThe healing tic from vigor isn't huge or anything. In PvP self healing with vigor isn't game changing imo...so noFor the Pact!Keyboard not found, press any key to continue3 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigorReally so many opinions on what *I* think or not when I've made my opinion crystalline.
I figured already everyone would have a stroke over it.
It's impossible that you're all so clever otherwise but oblivious to this obvious fact.
If you don't agree that's cool - but there's no need for baseless assumptions or insults.
I still haven't seen one valid reason why it's legit for vigor to be this powerful.1 -
krachall✭✭✭✭✭
✭No nerfWhen you start a poll for a nerf and get 90% of respondents against your nerf...LOL.10 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Other nerf...now I just feel bad for being overly sensitive...and curious as to how we do or do not know each other XDThrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigorDeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »"Streak treatment" is, imo, bad design for this game and shouldn't be used as a balance mechanism for any skills.
Hi Hun, I really don't want a nerf as such, but as a primarily PVEer - I feel like vigor is OP in that I think *no one not having 1/3 their skill trees devoted to healing* should have a 'one click access to full health' skill.
I think vigor is OP but I want a balance not a nerf as such.
...you'll notice, "Hun," that I agree that Vigor needs an adjustment.
"Streak treatment" just goes against the core of this game's initial design (no cooldowns on skills) and would barely impact Vigor, anyway.
Oh dear - now we're all bent that I said 'hun' I wasn't disagreeing with you and I thought you remembered me xD guess not lol
: P I'm at work and my internet reading comprehension suffers...mea culpa
I probably would remember a toon name?
I'm on my phone at work too and can't remember how to even send a PM!0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Streak treatment on vigorDeadlyRecluse wrote: »...now I just feel bad for being overly sensitive...and curious as to how we do or do not know each other XD
We do! But I cannot figure out how to PM on this shite phone! xD I'll pm you later when I get home!0
