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Zaan is ridiculous (Console PVP player POV)
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭If there only was a CP that reduces damage over time effects like Soul Assault and Zaan ...
Oh Wait ThEre is its called Thick Skinned .
On all of my Medium builds i put 56 there so i dont melt to SA and stupid DK dots . So its L2p issue + common knowege .
I love it when the games introduce some new mechanics that deals 4 times more damage than existing ones and some players just tell others they are not good enough to deal with it.
Why introduce this in the first place ?
I have 66 in thick skinned when I pvp. I still have a 15k Zaan on my recap. Dodge rolling and running away while speed pot was up didn't work because on console people know how to close distance.Edited by Abysswarrior45 on March 1, 2018 8:16AM1 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »If there only was a CP that reduces damage over time effects like Soul Assault and Zaan ...
Oh Wait ThEre is its called Thick Skinned .
On all of my Medium builds i put 56 there so i dont melt to SA and stupid DK dots . So its L2p issue + common knowege .
I love it when the games introduce some new mechanics that deals 4 times more damage than existing ones and some players just tell others they are not good enough to deal with it.
Why introduce this in the first place ?
I have 66 in thick skinned when I pvp. I still have a 15k Zaan on my recap. Dodge ruling and running away while speed pot was up didn't work because on console people know how to close distance.
Same here but on PC
I think we just hear about it now cause more and more people start to have it :-)
Isome people probaly just say its fine to keep their OP set.Edited by Morgul667 on March 1, 2018 3:05AM2 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭
2 are without cp in the red tree, BUT with an actual build and the 30k one is with an actual build and cp in the red tree. No monster set should do that0 -
Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭First off, how are you getting hit 8 times by zaan? Did the other guy have elf bane?
Zaan only procs 6 times (it deals damage over 5 seconds, with an initial proc tick to the best of my knowledge). When the proc occurs, it's 3440 damage (obviously buffed by fire damage CP), then 1s: 5160, 2s: 7740, 3s: 11610, 4s: 17415, 5s: 26122.
Base total damage before champion points or mitigation is 71,487 over 5 seconds, but obviously nobody is running 0% damage reduction. The damage can also be blocked to cut it in half.
The only way someone is getting 8 hits in is with elf bane, which is a very specialized build focused entirely on making that zaan proc useful, which means they shouldnt be putting up much of a fight without it.
Dodge away to cancel the proc, preferrably after using some kind of CC, and then you have 18 seconds to deal with the enemy without a zaan proc to worry about.PS4 / NA
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭First off, how are you getting hit 8 times by zaan? Did the other guy have elf bane?
Zaan only procs 6 times (it deals damage over 5 seconds, with an initial proc tick to the best of my knowledge). When the proc occurs, it's 3440 damage (obviously buffed by fire damage CP), then 1s: 5160, 2s: 7740, 3s: 11610, 4s: 17415, 5s: 26122.
Base total damage before champion points or mitigation is 71,487 over 5 seconds, but obviously nobody is running 0% damage reduction. The damage can also be blocked to cut it in half.
The only way someone is getting 8 hits in is with elf bane, which is a very specialized build focused entirely on making that zaan proc useful, which means they shouldnt be putting up much of a fight without it.
Dodge away to cancel the proc, preferrably after using some kind of CC, and then you have 18 seconds to deal with the enemy without a zaan proc to worry about.
Zaan is empowered by soul harvest and to get hit by the 65k we had the person who's a magplar remove all cp from his red tree. Its not a realistic scenario but no monster set should hit that hard. The 30k is on a legit build though and dodge rolling doesn't work against people who can close the distance and stay on top of you. Thats such stupid argument and not a good counter.2 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Furthermore with the l2 meta you can't burst people in 18secs. not on console anyway. i understand pc doesn't have this issue0
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WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Wow, you can tell they did their research. I mean, it's been out on console for less than 24 hours on console and they've already exhausted all possible ideas for how to counter, avoid, or otherwise deal with this set.
I personally haven't even run across it yet.. I feel a bit unloved.
Enlighten me on the counters. I already explained why roll dodge and sprinting away don't work. LOS doesn't work either so do tell.
Ya know, I spent the entire day doing PvP looking for a single Zaan user to see if I could counter their little trick with some clever knowledge - Yet... I still didn't find a single one.
Which is exactly my damn point. It's too new for people to be calling for a Nerf.
Wait for someone else to figure out how to counter it before you scream for nerfs (likely when you fail their method repeatedly)Edited by WakeYourGhost on March 1, 2018 7:44AM2 -
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✭✭✭If there only was a CP that reduces damage over time effects like Soul Assault and Zaan ...
Oh Wait ThEre is its called Thick Skinned .
On all of my Medium builds i put 56 there so i dont melt to SA and stupid DK dots . So its L2p issue + common knowege .
I love it when the games introduce some new mechanics that deals 4 times more damage than existing ones and some players just tell others they are not good enough to deal with it.
Why introduce this in the first place ?
Source on 4x damage. Unless you are comparing 20k zaan proc on a bad over 6s (+cd) to a 5k skoria.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Bbsample197✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Bbsample197 wrote: »wtf is that video?! after he CC'ed you he runs straight towards and not the other way around! ofc zaan will kill him that way, he didnt even attempt to run away from it, he has all the chance!!
You're missing the point of the video. The templar ONLY hit him with entropy and vamps bane and thats it and Zaan did the rest. NO set should be able to kill a player on its own good or bad. A small boost to burst, fine, but no a single proc from a set should not deal that much damage.
no, a simple set like zaan couldnt kill anyone if they know the mechanics on how to avoid it! wheres the fun on a duel with justa straigh up spammin skills and minding resources at least zaan is a double edge sword ffs! that guy cc'ed the templar, he has all the chance to break the proc but NOOOO!! he get too greedy! i would welcome zaan as a proc set better than viper and other proc set in the past coz unlike zaan those proc sets doesnt give you a chance to be countered!
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Bbsample197✭✭✭✭WakeYourGhost wrote: »WakeYourGhost wrote: »Wow, you can tell they did their research. I mean, it's been out on console for less than 24 hours on console and they've already exhausted all possible ideas for how to counter, avoid, or otherwise deal with this set.
I personally haven't even run across it yet.. I feel a bit unloved.
Enlighten me on the counters. I already explained why roll dodge and sprinting away don't work. LOS doesn't work either so do tell.
Ya know, I spent the entire day doing PvP looking for a single Zaan user to see if I could counter their little trick with some clever knowledge - Yet... I still didn't find a single one.
Which is exactly my damn point. It's too new for people to be calling for a Nerf.
Wait for someone else to figure out how to counter it before you scream for nerfs (likely when you fail their method repeatedly)[/quote]
as you can u see in the video, you can CC'ed the damn ***, immobolize it. then run away thats it, he will be hopeless for the next 18 sec. dont mindlessly use your skills0 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If there only was a CP that reduces damage over time effects like Soul Assault and Zaan ...
Oh Wait ThEre is its called Thick Skinned .
On all of my Medium builds i put 56 there so i dont melt to SA and stupid DK dots . So its L2p issue + common knowege .
I love it when the games introduce some new mechanics that deals 4 times more damage than existing ones and some players just tell others they are not good enough to deal with it.
Why introduce this in the first place ?
Source on 4x damage. Unless you are comparing 20k zaan proc on a bad over 6s (+cd) to a 5k skoria.
I run heavy armor. My death recap usually show skills hitting for around 2-3 k DPS.
In same set-up Zaan hit me yesterday for 10 and 12k DPS 2 times in a row.
DawnBreaker or SoulAssault can hit hard. Should not happen with a 2 pieces set.
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susniand✭✭Nightblade in that video was .... Cant say anything else but dumb.
He could have fear, he could cloak, he could step away, but noooo, most important thing is to ambus/incap spam ... If fighr ended any diferent - that would be broken...1 -
susniand✭✭I dondt have zaan (yet) but ill try to get it asap, just because pople dont know what to do, its something new and folks need a little to adopt. After that ill go back to my old good bloodspawn.
Yesterday i was playing bgs alot and 90% of times i got killed by zaan, i could have prevent it, but was mistake on my end0 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zaan only does a little over 2k dps.
It has a 10 meter range. Dodge roll and stop whining.
Well.. Got hit by one finally. Not that it is something to praise about. It wasn't 2k, I can tell you that. For me, it was in a group fighting. You know.. one of those where there are at least 1000 enemy players in front of you and about 5-10 friendlies with you (practically how PvP in PS4 has been.) All I know is when I finally laid death, my death cap showed the Zaan (among other hits/damages) in the 15k. Mind you now, I have heavy and resistance are both in the higher ranges (but, surely no where near 40k something like this OP is saying he has.) I didn't even see who the hell that came from. Sure, if I could have seen where the proc was coming from, I may have been able to mitigate somehow. Yes, definitely not your typical duel or 1x1 where you know that other has it.
Ha ha.. Well, not only are we have to watch out for those suicide bombers (practically every mag- based toons are sporting that now), we also have to watch out for those Zaan thing as well. Fun times.. Also, for a melee toon, 10 meter is big. You have to get in close and personal fighting. Those range toons will fair better, or those with the like of Annulment and good healing capability should be able to mitigate it. However, just like Lethal Arrows, Ice Comet or the likes of Eye of the Flame, when you don't know where it is coming from, you can't really mitigate it readily; thus, the damage is far more brutal. Hey, whatever, rez at keep and press repeat.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade in that video was .... Cant say anything else but dumb.
He could have fear, he could cloak, he could step away, but noooo, most important thing is to ambus/incap spam ... If fighr ended any diferent - that would be broken...
Dude. People will say and do anything to get things nerfed that kills them. I’ve pretty much given up trying to explain the huge amounts of counter play that Zaan has. If people want to truly believe that Zaan is this overpowered set, let them. I just hope the devs aren’t stupid enough to follow behind a lot of these potatoes, and end-up nerfing something due to other people’s refusal to play intelligently.0 -
CaliMade✭✭✭✭Omg im actually disgusted by how many people are defending this.
BRING BACK VIPER
BRING BACK TREMORSCALE
BRING BACK VELIDRETH
BRING BACK WIDOWMAKER
BRING BACK RED MOUNTAIN
How is this set any different frome those.
And telling someone to “get out of range” is probably the most auto pilot *** ive ever heard. DUH! TF you think we are, blind and dumb?
What makes it broken, in addition to its extreme damage, is that in most senarios you cant break the beam as easily as most of you let on. There are too many abilities witch prevent you from creating a gap in this game. CCs, roots, snares, gap closers. Not to metion that 10 meters is actually a fairly large range. Cut it down to 6 meters then this particular argument is valid.
AND IF ONE MORE PERSON SAYS PURGE IT LIKE YOU CAN HAND PICK THE DEBUFFS. *facepalm*
Such a lame and flimsy argument. Im tired of it.
No! Efficient purge is not good, not by any stretch, and its most definitely not efficient. Only purging 2 random effects and costing well over 4k magic.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭I guess everyone has a different experience with Zaan...
For me, Zaan has yet to yield the killing blow against me...
The highest I've seen for Zaan on my death recap has been 8k and once again it wasn't the killing blow...
Every time I've had it proc'ed against me, the following tactics have been successful against it:
1) Cleanse it...
2) Dodge Roll + Elusive Mist and break the tether...
3) Activate Devouring Swarm and overwhelm the Zaan user...
4) Heal right though it...
But to each his own...
Based on what I've seen and experienced from it, its not replacing Mighty Chudan in my current build...Unyeilding Bias
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »I guess everyone has a different experience with Zaan...
For me, Zaan has yet to yield the killing blow against me...
The highest I've seen for Zaan on my death recap has been 8k and once again it wasn't the killing blow...
Every time I've had it proc'ed against me, the following tactics have been successful against it:
1) Cleanse it...
2) Dodge Roll + Elusive Mist and break the tether...
3) Activate Devouring Swarm and overwhelm the Zaan user...
4) Heal right though it...
But to each his own...
Based on what I've seen and experienced from it, its not replacing Mighty Chudan in my current build...
And which of those counters would you recommend on a medium dk for example? I mean healing through Zaan on its own is definitely possible most of the time, however, healing through Zaan and whatever combo players are landing during its proc is not possible.0 -
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✭✭✭I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).Edited by Silver_Strider on March 10, 2018 6:53AMArgonian forever2 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
medium stam dk does what? sorry, but they don't use roots or fossilize and they can't roll away out of range if the opponent can walk forward.Edited by Abysswarrior45 on March 10, 2018 7:54AM0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
medium stam dk does what? sorry, but they don't use roots or fossilize and they can roll away out of range if the opponent can walk forward.
If that DK isn't using any CC, they deserve to die. I've seen StamDKs use Stonefist for the knockdown + Helping Hands passive so it's not like they're totally helpless. Then there's also Dizzy Swing (albeit less reliable a CC) that can still create some distance to break Zaan, if it connects.Edited by Silver_Strider on March 10, 2018 7:10AMArgonian forever1 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »I guess everyone has a different experience with Zaan...
For me, Zaan has yet to yield the killing blow against me...
The highest I've seen for Zaan on my death recap has been 8k and once again it wasn't the killing blow...
Every time I've had it proc'ed against me, the following tactics have been successful against it:
1) Cleanse it...
2) Dodge Roll + Elusive Mist and break the tether...
3) Activate Devouring Swarm and overwhelm the Zaan user...
4) Heal right though it...
But to each his own...
Based on what I've seen and experienced from it, its not replacing Mighty Chudan in my current build...
And which of those counters would you recommend on a medium dk for example? I mean healing through Zaan on its own is definitely possible most of the time, however, healing through Zaan and whatever combo players are landing during its proc is not possible.
I guess it depends on your class and build how to best counter it...
I've straight up overpowered a Zaan Proc + Soul Assault with my Purifying Light/Devouring Swarm/Puncturing Sweeps combo on my Magicka Templar...
I'm not sure what you should do on your DK unfortunately if you aren't using CC's...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on March 10, 2018 7:56AMUnyeilding Bias
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
medium stam dk does what? sorry, but they don't use roots or fossilize and they can roll away out of range if the opponent can walk forward.
If that DK isn't using any CC, they deserve to die. I've seen StamDKs use Stonefist for the knockdown + Helping Hands passive so it's not like they're totally helpless. Then there's also Dizzy Swing (albeit less reliable a CC) that can still create some distance to break Zaan, if it connects.
Yes theres dizzy swing which any good dk will be using. You play console though? Its not hard to pop immovable pot when zaan procs. Or its against an L2 build and dizzy swing becomes useless. Zaan should be interruptible.Edited by Abysswarrior45 on March 10, 2018 7:54AM0 -
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✭Here's an idea, take out all skills and armour in cry-odiil. So everyones naked and can only light and heavy attack with fists.... Then it'll be even
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Zaan is so easy to break, to be hit 8 times you'd have to be standing still1 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Here's an idea, take out all skills and armour in cry-odiil. So everyones naked and can only light and heavy attack with fists.... Then it'll be even
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Zaan is so easy to break, to be hit 8 times you'd have to be standing still
To understand my point you'd have to be able to read too. But you seem unable...0 -
Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Here's an idea, take out all skills and armour in cry-odiil. So everyones naked and can only light and heavy attack with fists.... Then it'll be even
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Zaan is so easy to break, to be hit 8 times you'd have to be standing still
To understand my point you'd have to be able to read too. But you seem unable...
GL with your quest for nerfing though0
