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Should there be a CP catch up mechanic? Should we be able to buy them?
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DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »NO! whats the poing of grinding to 720cp anyway?? aside from being a pretentious dickhead and someone who couldnt even pull 25k dps just cause he grinded to 720 and doesnt know what the *** LA weaving even means..
Los Angeles weaving? Huh?3 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bbsample197 wrote: »NO! whats the poing of grinding to 720cp anyway?? aside from being a pretentious dickhead and someone who couldnt even pull 25k dps just cause he grinded to 720 and doesnt know what the *** LA weaving even means..
Los Angeles weaving? Huh?
Light attack weaving...
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wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No...Just No...
This is not WoW. This is not GW2. This is not Eve. This is not Everwinter.
Why not just buy MSA Weapons too? Or put DSA Master Weapons in Crown store too?
Yes, I know those are extreme examples, but buying XP, CP or Levels is just wrong IMO.
Play the game! As said above, why should someone who has played 4 days instantly be equal to someone who has played 5 years?
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DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Bbsample197 wrote: »NO! whats the poing of grinding to 720cp anyway?? aside from being a pretentious dickhead and someone who couldnt even pull 25k dps just cause he grinded to 720 and doesnt know what the *** LA weaving even means..
Los Angeles weaving? Huh?
Light attack weaving...
I was joking.1 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Bbsample197 wrote: »NO! whats the poing of grinding to 720cp anyway?? aside from being a pretentious dickhead and someone who couldnt even pull 25k dps just cause he grinded to 720 and doesnt know what the *** LA weaving even means..
Los Angeles weaving? Huh?
Light attack weaving...
I was joking.
Ah. Well then:
hahahahaha
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Arthur_Spoonfondle✭✭✭✭Buy CP? Why not?
Zenimax have already ruined what should have been a great game, another nail in the coffin will just bring the end a little closer.
Then they can let Bethesda get on with developing Elder Scrolls Six.0 -
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✭✭Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »Buy CP? Why not?
Zenimax have already ruined what should have been a great game, another nail in the coffin will just bring the end a little closer.
Then they can let Bethesda get on with developing Elder Scrolls Six.
Elder Scrolls Online has nothing to do with Bethesda developing ESVI, two separate studios. And besides, Bethesda won't release ESVI until they release two major, big games first.PC - NACP 1125
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✭✭✭✭✭Arthur_Spoonfondle wrote: »Then they can let Bethesda get on with developing Elder Scrolls Six.
ZOS isn't hindering ES6 development in any way. Anything else you hear is misinformation.
If you want to blame someone, blame Bethesda and Zenimax Media, and their business sense. In addition to letting an unknown, new IP take development priority over ES6, they've decided rereleasing Skyrim again and again is more profitable than developing a new Elder Scrolls title.
This game is perfectly fine as it is, and CP is fine as it is. +30 CP adds very little to max level gameplay (<1% added to DPS every patch), and ZOS already tweaks the CP EXP curve every update to make earlier CPs faster to gain. The CP EXP curve basically never changes, no matter how many CPs are added.
The only thing that might need adjustment in the future is the rate of enlightenment gain.
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The time it takes to reach max CP doesn't change. It's the same every patch.1 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CP is a terrible idea in and of its self. It doesn't cater to the modern MMO market well. World of Warcraft centers around a level cap with gear progression after. This bottomless pit leveling is not something many people enjoy. Some will say, "Go play something else" well, what if we like this game?
It's all very cute how you say that now- after people cried and moaned that v levels per char were too hard.
If you've not levelled 2+ chars to v16, I say this as nicely as possible: you don't know grind in this game.
CP were put there precisely for you lot, so buck up and handle it, really.6 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.2 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.
Someone can be trying to catch up from, say, CP 400 after being away for a while to CP 720 so they can do end-game trials. The 400k/day (4 mil pool max) will not help them catch up very quickly. Otherwise, what are people catching up to?0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭So ... why should a noob be able to buy max cp overnight, while we others been working for it for a year +++ .... doesnt that seem a bit "unfair"
But if it actually would be possible, im curious to see how many $ our invested years is worth xD 0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.
Someone can be trying to catch up from, say, CP 400 after being away for a while to CP 720 so they can do end-game trials. The 400k/day (4 mil pool max) will not help them catch up very quickly. Otherwise, what are people catching up to?
Out of curiosity, how much do you think the daily enlightenment should be so that this hypothetical player can reach CP 720 "quickly" while also theoretically gaining the player experience to complete end-game trials?
Because, after all, they could merely grind in Skyreach with their increased daily enlightenment, but that's unlikely to prepare a player for end-game trials.0 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.
Someone can be trying to catch up from, say, CP 400 after being away for a while to CP 720 so they can do end-game trials. The 400k/day (4 mil pool max) will not help them catch up very quickly. Otherwise, what are people catching up to?
Out of curiosity, how much do you think the daily enlightenment should be so that this hypothetical player can reach CP 720 "quickly" while also theoretically gaining the player experience to complete end-game trials?
Because, after all, they could merely grind in Skyreach with their increased daily enlightenment, but that's unlikely to prepare a player for end-game trials.
Haven't that about that. I'm just commenting on all the people saying CP is a catch-up mechanic. 400k/day enlightenment is really enough to catch up.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.
Someone can be trying to catch up from, say, CP 400 after being away for a while to CP 720 so they can do end-game trials. The 400k/day (4 mil pool max) will not help them catch up very quickly. Otherwise, what are people catching up to?
Out of curiosity, how much do you think the daily enlightenment should be so that this hypothetical player can reach CP 720 "quickly" while also theoretically gaining the player experience to complete end-game trials?
Because, after all, they could merely grind in Skyreach with their increased daily enlightenment, but that's unlikely to prepare a player for end-game trials.
Haven't that about that. I'm just commenting on all the people saying CP is a catch-up mechanic. 400k/day enlightenment is really enough to catch up.
That's because its aimed more at catching up players who can't play every day than it is aimed at making up a huge deficit like someone at CP 400 who wants to be CP 720 instead and fast. That's what EXP scrolls and skyreach grinding is for. That's what double EXP events (of which ZOS has added more to the game as its progressed, no coincidence there) are for.0 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.
Someone can be trying to catch up from, say, CP 400 after being away for a while to CP 720 so they can do end-game trials. The 400k/day (4 mil pool max) will not help them catch up very quickly. Otherwise, what are people catching up to?
You don't need max CP to do veteran trials. I run with CP players that have hundreds CP less than max and they perform much better than some max CP fill-ins we get. You really only need to get to the halfway point to max CP to be able to do really well in veteran trials (300+ is a good start).
This argument that you "need" max CP to be good in endgame is just a crutch for people who don't know how to play correctly. Learning your class and role inside and out, learning how to properly build a character and make it work, learning how to properly make and maintain a skill rotation, learning fight mechanics, and learning proper teamwork, group cooordination and communication are all far more important than CP.
Again: CP doesn't make you better at the game. It is a small augmentation to your character that only makes a difference if you have good game knowledge behind it to support it.
People who have been away for a long while should be far more focused on "catching up" on changes in gear, skills, combat mechanics, etc. Catching up on CP isn't going to make you more competitive in endgame PvE. Catching up on important game information that impacts your performance should always take priority.
Anyone who is hyperfocused on catching up on CP without the rest is missing the point of the game.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa5 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Back in my day, we had to earn VR/CP walking uphill both ways in a snowstorm with bees chasing us!
^ This thread, in a nutshell.
There's an interesting real-life parallel here because it shows just how common it is for people who already got theirs to selfishly resist any sort of progress that might help other people get theirs, too.
"OMG it would ruin the game, OMG you might as well just sell gold and Maelstrom weapons in the Crown Store, OMGeezy this isn't WoW" blah blah blah.
Just strong opinions masquerading as reasons.
Why do you care if it becomes easier for someone else to get to max CP? Does that somehow diminish your meaningless achievement of reaching max CP?3 -
Arthur_Spoonfondle✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »
Elder Scrolls Online has nothing to do with Bethesda developing ESVI, two separate studios. And besides, Bethesda won't release ESVI until they release two major, big games first.
Believe that if you want to but, Zenimax doesn't want TESO players, many of whom are paying to play and/or spending money repeatedly on fluff, to leave TESO and play ES six, as long as TESO is nicely profitable. The Skyrim titbits are just to keep ES players interested in the meantime.
ZOS isn't hindering ES6 development in any way. Anything else you hear is misinformation.
If you want to blame someone, blame Bethesda and Zenimax Media, and their business sense. In addition to letting an unknown, new IP take development priority over ES6, they've decided rereleasing Skyrim again and again is more profitable than developing a new Elder Scrolls title.
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✭✭I'm probably saying what someone has already said (I am not reading all 6 pages), but I think the OP wants permanent entitlement, not permanent enlightenment.Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.2 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭So we have threads requesting boosts.
We have threads requesting buy your CP.
We have threads requesting achievements be account wide.
We have threads requesting end game BOP gear be made BOE so players can buy them off guild traders.
Create a character, log in at max level with all skills/abilities, buy end game gear to wear and then "start playing" ?3 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Back in my day, we had to earn VR/CP walking uphill both ways in a snowstorm with bees chasing us!
^ This thread, in a nutshell.
There's an interesting real-life parallel here because it shows just how common it is for people who already got theirs to selfishly resist any sort of progress that might help other people get theirs, too.
"OMG it would ruin the game, OMG you might as well just sell gold and Maelstrom weapons in the Crown Store, OMGeezy this isn't WoW" blah blah blah.
Just strong opinions masquerading as reasons.
Why do you care if it becomes easier for someone else to get to max CP? Does that somehow diminish your meaningless achievement of reaching max CP?
For some, I can see where it actuallyJuju_beans wrote: »So we have threads requesting boosts.
We have threads requesting buy your CP.
We have threads requesting achievements be account wide.
We have threads requesting end game BOP gear be made BOE so players can buy them off guild traders.
Create a character, log in at max level with all skills/abilities, buy end game gear to wear and then "start playing" ?
Definitely the "destination" sorts as opposed to the "journey" sorts.
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Juju_beans wrote: »So we have threads requesting boosts.
We have threads requesting buy your CP.
We have threads requesting achievements be account wide.
We have threads requesting end game BOP gear be made BOE so players can buy them off guild traders.
Create a character, log in at max level with all skills/abilities, buy end game gear to wear and then "start playing" ?
That's how it works in most MMORPGs.
The following games have "instant max progression": FFXIV, WoW, GW20 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »So we have threads requesting boosts.
We have threads requesting buy your CP.
We have threads requesting achievements be account wide.
We have threads requesting end game BOP gear be made BOE so players can buy them off guild traders.
Create a character, log in at max level with all skills/abilities, buy end game gear to wear and then "start playing" ?
That's how it works in most MMORPGs.
The following games have "instant max progression": FFXIV, WoW, GW2
I think SWTOR does now as well. And you should hear the shouting when someone who purchased their way to "cap" starts to try and integrate with those who took their time and learned their class(es). Can't blame 'em.
MMOs are meant to offer a long life of gaming. I just don't get why folk are in such a hurry. Surely there would be better games for those who are into PvP or raiding or the like? Or is it a matter of the lore/world and being attracted to that...but then they must've play other ES games and have an inkling about how it's not a race to "cap".
Ah well, I'll just keep on enjoying the journey.
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Juju_beans wrote: »So we have threads requesting boosts.
We have threads requesting buy your CP.
We have threads requesting achievements be account wide.
We have threads requesting end game BOP gear be made BOE so players can buy them off guild traders.
Create a character, log in at max level with all skills/abilities, buy end game gear to wear and then "start playing" ?
That's how it works in most MMORPGs.
The following games have "instant max progression": FFXIV, WoW, GW2
Wow has a boost but only to the max level of their previous expansion.
Legion is level 110 so you can only boost to 100.
Your artifact weapon is NOT maxed out with a boost either.
All achievements in wow are not account wide.
You cannot buy character levels in wow.
End game set gear is not for sale on the AH.
I can only speak to wow but wow certainly doesn't fit the bill of "that's how it works in most MMORPGs".
Edited by Juju_beans on February 25, 2018 9:06PM1 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Those of you asking for more enlightenment, do you seriously play enough to be constantly running out? It accrues every day. The only times I've ever run out was during double exp events when I was questing constantly.
Well, the day's allowance does run out in a single random normal dungeon, which can take as little as 10 minutes.
Enlightenment is a great catch-up, but it isn't for grinders. If you grind (or quest) out your enlightenment every single day, then you don't need the catch-up as much as someone who only plays for a couple days a week, and thus benefits from having the enlightenment accrue.
If you want more enlightenment total, take a break.
If you want more daily enlightenment, well, that you can ask ZOS for. I doubt they'll do it, since they've already frontloaded CP value and lowered the exp necessary for early CP.
Someone can be trying to catch up from, say, CP 400 after being away for a while to CP 720 so they can do end-game trials. The 400k/day (4 mil pool max) will not help them catch up very quickly. Otherwise, what are people catching up to?
Out of curiosity, how much do you think the daily enlightenment should be so that this hypothetical player can reach CP 720 "quickly" while also theoretically gaining the player experience to complete end-game trials?
Because, after all, they could merely grind in Skyreach with their increased daily enlightenment, but that's unlikely to prepare a player for end-game trials.
Haven't that about that. I'm just commenting on all the people saying CP is a catch-up mechanic. 400k/day enlightenment is really enough to catch up.
That's because its aimed more at catching up players who can't play every day than it is aimed at making up a huge deficit like someone at CP 400 who wants to be CP 720 instead and fast. That's what EXP scrolls and skyreach grinding is for. That's what double EXP events (of which ZOS has added more to the game as its progressed, no coincidence there) are for.
They will never catch up.1 -
f047ys3v3n✭✭✭✭✭
✭As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
There are three CP cactch up mechanics.
1) Enlightenment allows casuals to gain CP at 4x the rate of those who play a lot and therefore arn't enlightened most of the time.
2) CP cost varies with numbers. Mine are something like 1.1 million per now and I'll bet yours are something like 200k.
3) CP value scales dramatically down as number goes up so each additional CP is worth much less. I really doubt you can tell the strength difference between a cp500 and 720. Realistically, they could probably remove the cap altogether without much problem at this point. Most things people attribute to CP are really some combination of skill and/or cheat engine.
I still think the CP system is a plague and a terrible idea that prevents new players from joining and old ones from returning but there are several catch up mechanics.Edited by f047ys3v3n on February 25, 2018 10:53PMI am currently worried for the future of ESO. Population seems like it is in free fall and the cancellation of the North America in-person gathering feels very much like pulling the plug. Kudos on fixing the in-game economy though. Clearly whatever gold shenanigans were happening the last couple years are fixed.0
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