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How to Fix Hybrids (theoretically)
InFernalEntity
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The primary issue with Hybrid DPS falling short of min/max is stat pools. The suggestion made every time is don't have damage tied to max stamina/magicka. I'm going to ignore that and try to level the playing field in other ways.
First let's talk sets...
Hybrids have ~3 monster sets. Slimecraw, Molag Kena and Domihaus. Arguably Stormfist but the 1st passive is only stamina focused. That's 3 out of about 35 Monster sets.
Hybrids are in the minority because it's less effective but some extra monster sets could even things up. Proc sets like Stormfist or Ilambris that do 2 damage types perhaps.
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Then dropped sets of which there is almost nothing that gives hybrid benefits. Like at all.
And the big problem with that is that hybrids then cannot run a 5/5/2. The Jewellery + weapon set will either be stamina or magicka based.
There is the odd set like Affliction that gives:
2 pc: weapon damage
3 pc: max stam
4 pc: max mag
5 pc: proc for disease damage.
But compared to the crafted sets? Dropped sets are not geared for hybrids at all.
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Talking of crafted sets though. There are still only about 8 craftable hybrid sets.
Mechanical Acuity
Assassin's Guile
Tava's favour
Clever Alchemist
Shacklebreaker
Pelinial's Aptitude
Twice Born Star
Innate Axiom
And some of those aren't even specifically geared for hybrids. Like TBS or Tava's Favour.
However, you can only get one full set bonus out of those 8 because...
Jewellery crafting isn't available.
To make a point about jewellery crafting though, on top of opening up potential for hybrid builds, it allows more diversity for regular builds. Some crafted sets could synergize really well with each other but without getting the 5/5/2 or 5/4/2 or 5/5/1 with them we won't know. That's not just something for hybrids.
In summary, another 4 or 5 Monster sets aimed towards hybrids would provide some element of choice. More hybrid dropped set choices. Especially in light or medium armours. And jewellery crafting to allow people to make better use of the hybrid sets already available.
Tl;dr:
More Hybrid Monster sets.
More Hybrid Dropped sets.
More Hybrid Crafted sets.
Jewellery crafting.
First let's talk sets...
Hybrids have ~3 monster sets. Slimecraw, Molag Kena and Domihaus. Arguably Stormfist but the 1st passive is only stamina focused. That's 3 out of about 35 Monster sets.
Hybrids are in the minority because it's less effective but some extra monster sets could even things up. Proc sets like Stormfist or Ilambris that do 2 damage types perhaps.
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Then dropped sets of which there is almost nothing that gives hybrid benefits. Like at all.
And the big problem with that is that hybrids then cannot run a 5/5/2. The Jewellery + weapon set will either be stamina or magicka based.
There is the odd set like Affliction that gives:
2 pc: weapon damage
3 pc: max stam
4 pc: max mag
5 pc: proc for disease damage.
But compared to the crafted sets? Dropped sets are not geared for hybrids at all.
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Talking of crafted sets though. There are still only about 8 craftable hybrid sets.
Mechanical Acuity
Assassin's Guile
Tava's favour
Clever Alchemist
Shacklebreaker
Pelinial's Aptitude
Twice Born Star
Innate Axiom
And some of those aren't even specifically geared for hybrids. Like TBS or Tava's Favour.
However, you can only get one full set bonus out of those 8 because...
Jewellery crafting isn't available.
To make a point about jewellery crafting though, on top of opening up potential for hybrid builds, it allows more diversity for regular builds. Some crafted sets could synergize really well with each other but without getting the 5/5/2 or 5/4/2 or 5/5/1 with them we won't know. That's not just something for hybrids.
In summary, another 4 or 5 Monster sets aimed towards hybrids would provide some element of choice. More hybrid dropped set choices. Especially in light or medium armours. And jewellery crafting to allow people to make better use of the hybrid sets already available.
Tl;dr:
More Hybrid Monster sets.
More Hybrid Dropped sets.
More Hybrid Crafted sets.
Jewellery crafting.
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Sixty5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The problem with Hybrids is not gear or anything.
The problem with going hybrid is that you aren't really going to gain anything out of doing so.
Most DPS builds, you are stacking up a few damage over time effects, and weaving in spammables or heavy attacks depending on your setup.
If you are running Hybrid the only change is that instead of Liquid Lightning and Blockade, you run Caltrops and Endless hail, you haven't really achieved anything except changing how your AOE dots look.
I would see merit in making hybrid builds worth something, if they actually added interesting aspects to the game, but really as a DPS all you are doing is changing the dots or spammable in your rotation.
But given the way that this game works, there isn't really any advantages to taking a specific damage type vs a specific enemy.
In a game like Pokemon, going mixed was a viable strategy, as you could surprise your opponent, and get a kill on something they thought would counter you, but in ESO, combat simply isn't built that way.
Plus, it isn't even a "I want to play how I want" issue, as you can do that just fine already, it's more of a "I want my niche playstyle to be viable" dealLord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
I play a character called "Gives Me Wood Elf" because I am a mature and sensible person.
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
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an effective hybrid listed below . Meets or exceeds typical standards while using stamina support skills too. Too me though it's about more gains then losses for hybrids.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/349428/sorcerer-healers-collection-the-dungeon-edition/p1Edited by Tasear on February 25, 2018 1:00AM1 -
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✭✭I would also point out that the Champion system is another culprit in the stamina/magicka polarization of builds. This is because Hybrid builds have to split their champion points across mag and stam perks for their abilities. So even if you do have these hybrid sets, you may not be 'optimal' on the CP allocation side. This is probably more of a problem for DPS roles than tanks and healers.
Concerning Damage Dealer builds, DD's need to choose between Elemental Expert or Mighty in order to be optimal. Then they need to spend points in stam/mag recovery, spell/physical penetration, etc. You either split your points for half effectiveness, or invest into one for more damage. This is why a set like Pelinal's doesn't necessarily make your physical abilities be as effective as your magicka abilities or vice versa.
If anyone has found a way of getting around hybrid drawbacks, I'd love to hear some advice since i think build diversity is important, but i feel it has been shunned in favor of performance over these past few years.0 -
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✭✭Why would someone want to play a hybrid?
So what you are saying is hybrid builds are good for nothing then?Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
I play a character called "Gives Me Wood Elf" because I am a mature and sensible person.
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It's like trying to be the best athlete in two sports. Probably not going to happen when you are competing against people trying to be the best athlete in one sport.Edited by DoctorESO on February 25, 2018 2:29AM0 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Has anyone tried using trainee with mechanical acuity? Basically getting the 4th bonus of trainee but couple it with full set acuity. Or acuity with innate axiom 3 piece set (with a staff equipped) and 4 bonus with dual wield. Depending on the build (for eg, a nightblade hybrid which imo is the best class for a hybrid) you use either willpower or agility jewelry.
The idea is to just pump points into direct damage, dot damage and light / heavy attack cp. Because of the nature of the light / heavy attack build, a good portion of the points would be to light heavy attack recovery. (apologies for the lack of the proper terms, going off the top of my head right now)
My theory is that since acuity works best with high weapon spell damage but low crits, it helps that you boost the damage with max magicka / max stamina.
And since the gear are almost all crafted, you can go in tandem (or opposite) of the stats you want in conjunction to its armor type.
This is of course all theory crafting but I'm very much intrigued by the idea. Thoughts?
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ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why would someone want to play a hybrid?
Though oftentimes better than master of one.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none
The part that you quote is entirely misrepresenting the actual statement made by the original author, to the point of meaning the exact opposite.0 -
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✭✭Why would someone want to play a hybrid?
Though oftentimes better than master of one.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none
The part that you quote is entirely misrepresenting the actual statement made by the original author, to the point of meaning the exact opposite.
Emphasis on "oftentimes." In this case, that last part about being better than a master of one is not true in the ESO world.0 -
ZeroXFF✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why would someone want to play a hybrid?
Though oftentimes better than master of one.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none
The part that you quote is entirely misrepresenting the actual statement made by the original author, to the point of meaning the exact opposite.
Emphasis on "oftentimes." In this case, that last part about being better than a master of one is not true in the ESO world.
Maybe so, but this entirely negates the usefulness of this quote in this argument.0 -
DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why would someone want to play a hybrid?
Though oftentimes better than master of one.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jack_of_all_trades,_master_of_none
The part that you quote is entirely misrepresenting the actual statement made by the original author, to the point of meaning the exact opposite.
Emphasis on "oftentimes." In this case, that last part about being better than a master of one is not true in the ESO world.
Maybe so, but this entirely negates the usefulness of this quote in this argument.
No it doesn't. There's a reason why so many people all over the world use only the first part of the quote. It's because it's true. You can't be a master at everything. When you are a jack of all trades, you are a master of none. There's only so much time, physical capability, and mental energy any one person has.
And in ESO, you only have so many gear slots, so many skill slots, and so many resource points.Edited by DoctorESO on February 25, 2018 5:35PM0 -
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✭There's nothing wrong with hybrids IFF you don't care about end game competitiveness.
And the OP is not talking about that but the lack of more hybrid gear/jewelry in the game.0