Time to improve Templar ultimates

ak_pvp · February 2018

Rite of passage is a PITA since you'll come across immortal premades in BGs who all wear earthgore, and spam rite or trees and hold points generally making it a misery.

As for the rest. Sure.

Silver_Strider · February 2018

Only things I agree with are the increase ranged on Radial Sweep and a slight buff to Nova in general.

Templars can get rid of snares with Ritual easily so I don't see a point in Sweeps granting snare immunity. Instead, I'd prefer for it to be an AoE knockdown be added to the effect by default and that would be enough for the entire skill as the morphs both have merits. Yes, it's a discount DBoS but at least Templars would use it.

Nova just needs some minor tweaks. Increase the damage of the synergy by the current value of Solar Prison.
Solar Prison should be altered to better suit its name and have the snare from Disturbance added. On top of this, add a similar effect as Permafrost that makes it so that it adds a root effect to enemies currently being snared.
Solar Disturbance should than be changed to reduce the cost of the Ultimate and deal more damage.

I feel that Rite of Passage, as a healer Ultimate, is fine for the most part.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2018

I think Templars needs to be reworked from the ground up. The class was made as a stand your ground and fight class but no one wants to do that anymore. They should just gave up on this unique classes thing.

Everyone builds is more or less the same all healer run X with X on this bar and X on that bar. Using better class power if one is available. Only two classes can endgame tank as it is. The tag line “Any race, any class, any role” is just that a tag line try endgame tanking on a Nightblade or Sorcerer, not happening.

Everyone is more focused on raw damage and mobility. Then specializing in a unique role. Let DK and Warden be the only Tanks and give everyone what they want nukes. Then nerf damage when the power creep is too much and TTK is too low.

cazlonb16_ESO · February 2018

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I think Templars needs to be reworked from the ground up. The class was made as a stand your ground and fight class but no one wants to do that anymore. They should just gave up on this unique classes thing.

I see plenty of DKs perfectly content to stand their ground. Templars do not have the toolset to do so though. The whole "defend your house" thing was made up on the go by Wrobel a year or so ago, but never followed up with the necessary adjustments.

A_G_G_R_O · February 2018

Tbh I think crescent sweep should stun and get the burning light treatment *pick phys or mag dmg*.

I have played templar a long time and one thing that sucks on mag is 0 stun and on stam a buggy stun *javelin*.

I mean incap gives you major berserk on target for 6 seconds pretty much, major defile, stun , and huge dmg.

Joy_Division · February 2018

Radial Sweep: Garbage except on Stamplars wearing War Machine.

Nova: Passed over for Warhorn in PvE. Good in only like 10% of PvP fights.

Rite of Passage. Pointless in PvE. Useless for solo play. Decent for countering destro ultimate if you're in a group.

technohic · February 2018

All ultimate do scale off your highest stat I thought. It just doesn’t get the CP bonus.

IMO crescent sweep should never have been made stamina based as it’s just redundant with DBOS and inferior. They did it to just give us one stamina ultimate without much thought. Other morph would have been a better, more unique candidate with some improvements in radius

I wish nova had sort of a gravity pull to it. Cast it in the ground and enemies within radius get slowly pulled to the middle. Damage intensifying the closer you are to the center. Enemied can try to run away but will just slow the pull; maybe snare removal/roll dodge will help you escape as the counter.

Mitoice · February 2018

Agree with you on Nova..
I play as a templar and theres no way Nova can replace Meteor (Mages guild ulti) or destro ultimate, elemental storm.

Nova does less dmg costs more ultimate.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2018

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I think Templars needs to be reworked from the ground up. The class was made as a stand your ground and fight class but no one wants to do that anymore. They should just gave up on this unique classes thing.

Everyone builds is more or less the same all healer run X with X on this bar and X on that bar. Using better class power if one is available. Only two classes can endgame tank as it is. The tag line “Any race, any class, any role” is just that a tag line try endgame tanking on a Nightblade or Sorcerer, not happening.

Everyone is more focused on raw damage and mobility. Then specializing in a unique role. Let DK and Warden be the only Tanks and give everyone what they want nukes. Then nerf damage when the power creep is too much and TTK is too low.

I preferred the Crusading Knight Templar theme to the no recovery squishbag that Stamplar has become. Don't assume everyone wants the class to be this way just because its what the developers did to the class. They've gutted out so many skills I'm not sure I recognize Templar anymore apart from Blazing Shield and Jabs. Before I write a page long diatribe I'll just add its a slap in the face that they 'fixed' Repentance so that two Stamplars can basically block each other's stamina regeneration. This is not the only example of really bad design but there are probably over 100 different topics about this and 1000's of pages on the subject matter. I'm just fed up with Templar. I play the class because its my achievement character and crafter. I rather play other things though.

Velvelya · February 2018

Having mained a templar since I started about 4 years ago, the lack of decent CC, the nerf to heals, ect have made pvping on it an honest challenge. I've gotten PVP achievements faster on a nonvet Mag DK than on my vet Templar.

DK's have Talon, Sorcs have encase, Nb's have cloak and wreath which help them escape/hold combatants, but Templar doesn't get a single one that works decently.

Minno · February 2018

technohic wrote: »

All ultimate do scale off your highest stat I thought. It just doesn’t get the CP bonus.

IMO crescent sweep should never have been made stamina based as it’s just redundant with DBOS and inferior. They did it to just give us one stamina ultimate without much thought. Other morph would have been a better, more unique candidate with some improvements in radius

I wish nova had sort of a gravity pull to it. Cast it in the ground and enemies within radius get slowly pulled to the middle. Damage intensifying the closer you are to the center. Enemied can try to run away but will just slow the pull; maybe snare removal/roll dodge will help you escape as the counter.

When you think about it, Rememberance is a stamina morph; scales off your max stats but has no specific scaling (plus all the passives are global across mag/stam toons.)

If they wanted to give stamina a lower cost ultimate, cresant should have been given a stun this way it would have given them a utility for 75 ultimate and chance for burning light procs.

Minno · February 2018

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I think Templars needs to be reworked from the ground up. The class was made as a stand your ground and fight class but no one wants to do that anymore. They should just gave up on this unique classes thing.

I see plenty of DKs perfectly content to stand their ground. Templars do not have the toolset to do so though. The whole "defend your house" thing was made up on the go by Wrobel a year or so ago, but never followed up with the necessary adjustments.

It wasn't made up; we originally had huge mitigation via rune focus, AOE miss chance, and extra armor while attacking anyone impacted by a Dawns Wraith passive.

We also had some interesting passives; that eventually were gutted as PVE players were looking for more PVE DPS options:

Aedric Spear:

https://youtu.be/BxJ8SZYOF9c
Dawns Wrait:

https://youtu.be/_hYdw6HlLKY
Restoring Light:

https://youtu.be/Nfsh5YbpqhY

Notable passive were up to 30% extra Crit chance for all allies at low health, 30% extra healing done for anyone in our circles, 4% mag returns on ability use, spell resists on anyone hit by a dawns wrait ability, miss chance that caused off balance, restoring aura giving over 80% regen buffs to allies, and Jabs that used to deal extra critical strike on low health (mini-execute).

All we have now are healbot vamps.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2018

Empowering sweep should be an area knockback.

PROTECT
THIS
HOUSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0reT1dBS5Ao

Velvelya · February 2018

Sorry but our house has been destroyed already :'(

Sergykid · February 2018

1) i would change radial sweep to deal its damage every 0.5 seconds instead of every 2 seconds, so it can proc the passive more often. Now if it deals 4k damage every 2 seconds, i'd change it to deal 1k damage every 0.5 seconds. And make it proc the passive from the dot, if it doesn't do that already (i don't know if the dot procs it, i don't use the ultimate sadly cuz DBoS).

2) Nova is ... ok, i guess. Major Maim is good in a XvX fight. And it's 28 meters over 10 seconds, has an aoe stun, and slow if morphed to. I'd change it to always slow, and the morphs would be either increase the radius and duration, either deal more damage.

3) Rite is ok, you are pretty much unkillable during the cast, but without any purpose. The enemy can just make his resources back on you, but you can cancel the channel, activate it just to heal back to full HP and survive a burst. It would be more useful to be able to move while channeling it, but not at full speed.

Dredlord · February 2018

No no no, the time to improve them was 2, 3 maybe even 4 years ago. They made a few half ass attempts along the way. Some of those attempts resulted in even less templars using class ultis.

Im sorry to say this thread wont change anything. You're wasting your time and energy...

Dredlord · February 2018

idk wrote: »

For the most part what OP stated could be started for all hire. Templar’s aren’t in a different place.

It’s why we see so many comets, destro ults and fighters guild.

Im not saying you have no clue what youre talking about.

But why dont you tell us about all the incaps dragons leaps and negates we never see compared to the templar ults we never see either...

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2018

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Tbh I think crescent sweep should stun and get the burning light treatment *pick phys or mag dmg*.

I have played templar a long time and one thing that sucks on mag is 0 stun and on stam a buggy stun *javelin*.

I mean incap gives you major berserk on target for 6 seconds pretty much, major defile, stun , and huge dmg.

To be fair Incap is single target and single target damage needs to do more things then AoEs.

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I think Templars needs to be reworked from the ground up. The class was made as a stand your ground and fight class but no one wants to do that anymore. They should just gave up on this unique classes thing.

I see plenty of DKs perfectly content to stand their ground. Templars do not have the toolset to do so though. The whole "defend your house" thing was made up on the go by Wrobel a year or so ago, but never followed up with the necessary adjustments.

They have the one skill line for Tanking but that’s really the problem the three skill lines of Templars have powers that are perfect for a tank the passives are the things holding the class back.

DoctorESO · February 2018

Novas are pretty important in trials.

Animus-ESO · February 2018

I made a forum post recommending some changes to the spear ult. Honestly I want it completely reworked.

FoulSnowpaw · February 2018

Compared to Dawnbreaker and Meteor, Templar Ultimates are largely outclassed for both pvp and pve.

Compared to Warden's Frost Storm ult at 30% protection, nova's 15% maim is outclassed. And you get to move around with the frost storm while nova has NO MOBILITY whatsoever. And Nova costs more ultimate than warden's frost storm.