Zos get rid of bound on pick up.

Nightfall12 · February 2018

Yeah, im not going to read everything…so i expect to be ignored as well, but yeah, i'm going to go ahead and say i would love to be able to sell the gear i get in dungeons that i'll never use…you know for more than the 89g the venders are willing to pay for it.

But I can see why some stuff is kept behind that wall.

Hurtfan · February 2018

I agree with the OP, life is short, I don't have a ton of time to play games as it is. And when I do, I want to PvP, not grind gear sets.

But, I will gladly spend time grinding gold for it, since I know there's a 100% chance of me being able to obtain the gear I want.

I think the boting exploit argument is weak, IMO...

riberion · February 2018

With transmutation available now, you really don't have to do much "farming." Get a group that's willing to help you get the helm you want, and then just change the trait. Shouldn't have to run a vet dungeon more than once or twice to get the monster helm you are looking for, if your group members are willing to trade.

Or wait for it to hit The Golden and buy it with your AP.

If it's set items, you can run it on normal with most pugs and you will be fine. Again, can always change traits and upgrade the blue gear. This will also generate some keys for the shoulder pieces.

D0PAMINE · February 2018

If you wont run the content, you are your own worst enemy. There are plenty of good sets you can buy.

kargen27 · February 2018

Motherball wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

I disagree. You don't want to run the content, then you don't need the gear. That's a personal choice. The game has BoP items to help reward those players that complete the content. If there were no such thing as BoP, then gold farmers and bots would be out of control (more than they already are) as everyone would just pay real money to buy gold to buy the items they want because they are too lazy to attempt end-game content.

That speaks very negatively about endgame content. If players dislike that activity enough to try and bypass it, maybe the content needs to be looked into. Its kind of ridiculous to have to run a dungeon 20+ times to get a set, in my opinion, especially using the dungeon finder and considering the random queue benefits, like a much shorter queue time. Vet gear can remain BoP but I dont see why normal dungeon sets gave to remain bop. Does anyone even still farm those?

No this doesn't speak negatively of endgame content. It simply means not everything in the game appeals to every player. I don't like messing around with doing writs. My not wanting to do them has no indication as to whether or not they are good or bad for the game. It means I don't like doing them. I do like what I can get with the vouchers from master writs so I do the crafting writs on a couple of characters a few times a week. I have one friend that enjoys leveling characters by doing the quests. He will delete a character to create a new one so he can level again. Another friend thinks the questing is the most useless and stupid things in the game. Neither of their opinions are more valid than the others. This game provides a lot of varying content not all players are going to want to do all that content. Doesn't mean the content is bad or bad for the game. Luckily the game provides lots of different activities so we can pick and choose to play what we want.

Motherball · February 2018

kargen27 wrote: »

Motherball wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

I disagree. You don't want to run the content, then you don't need the gear. That's a personal choice. The game has BoP items to help reward those players that complete the content. If there were no such thing as BoP, then gold farmers and bots would be out of control (more than they already are) as everyone would just pay real money to buy gold to buy the items they want because they are too lazy to attempt end-game content.

That speaks very negatively about endgame content. If players dislike that activity enough to try and bypass it, maybe the content needs to be looked into. Its kind of ridiculous to have to run a dungeon 20+ times to get a set, in my opinion, especially using the dungeon finder and considering the random queue benefits, like a much shorter queue time. Vet gear can remain BoP but I dont see why normal dungeon sets gave to remain bop. Does anyone even still farm those?

No this doesn't speak negatively of endgame content. It simply means not everything in the game appeals to every player. I don't like messing around with doing writs. My not wanting to do them has no indication as to whether or not they are good or bad for the game. It means I don't like doing them. I do like what I can get with the vouchers from master writs so I do the crafting writs on a couple of characters a few times a week. I have one friend that enjoys leveling characters by doing the quests. He will delete a character to create a new one so he can level again. Another friend thinks the questing is the most useless and stupid things in the game. Neither of their opinions are more valid than the others. This game provides a lot of varying content not all players are going to want to do all that content. Doesn't mean the content is bad or bad for the game. Luckily the game provides lots of different activities so we can pick and choose to play what we want.

I agree, the game has plenty to do for all. My comment was directed towards players that want to do endgame content because they feel obligated to do it or just for the rewards. Having players do content just for the end result, while not enjoying the content itself, is a negative, in my opinion. This was in responce to the “you dont need the gear if you dont like the content” remark. My position is that the players arent necessarily lazy, but that the content is possibly bad or not worthwhile. But those rewards can be used outside of the “bad content” which still makes them desirable.

If players were given everything for free at the beginning, and that made the game boring for them, maybe the game wasnt that much fun to begin with.

madchuska83 · February 2018

You have to work to get nice things.

wakeyjimb16_ESO · February 2018

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Jarryzzt wrote: »

Wait so.........

- The OP does not want to grind vet dungeons.
- But vet dungeons have goodies.
- And the OP wants said goodies.

To me, this is the very definition of an "I wanna". Well, "I wanna" an easy to manipulate octogenarian billionaire to marry me and write me into their will a la Anna Nicole Smith. "Na-ga-happan" is, I believe, the appropriate reaction to that...

No talking about anna nicole smith marrying a billionare has nothing to do with the thread.
You're just grasping at straws with a gender stereotype.

You're right! Shame on them for using an analogy to make a point! The Dastards. And way to shame them for being sexist. Check that privelage.

Bloody Hell...

TruthSeeker · February 2018

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

Group dungeon sets are still unobtainable for me as I am too timid to join RDF. So, whenever it's possible I look for alternatives. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Having said that I've got an ambivalent attitude towards the OP idea. I like the fact that you have to work your arse a bit in order to obtain this or that set.

As for the sets obtained from the overland content, quests, crafting,... I think it's stupid that once you equip it it's forever assigned to your account and you can't sell or give it away when you no longer use it.. this IS stupid.

I dont mind working for something. But I would like the option to work for it as a pvp achievement. I read online that you use to be able to get master weapons in pvp for a particular achievement. But ZoS took that away.
They are trying to force people to do things they dont want.
And every build I want to make requires a monster helm.
Im going to be forced to do what I said above.
When I have enough CP im going to take a pvp character into a group dungeon with group finder and call myself a DPS. I may get booted a few times, but eventually through attrition I will get what I want. Its just not going to be very efficient or enjoyable. And every vet dungeon runner is just going to have to continue dealing with fake this and that and slow dungeon clears.
It isnt my fault, this is what Zos intended.

You could run normal pledges to acquire shoulders, and then save gold to buy the helms on sale from the Golden Vendor each weekend.

It's not perfect but better than nothing. Once you have one toon with a monster set, this will open the door to running vet dungeons with that character.

idk · February 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

I understand your complaint but bound on pickup helps with things like bot farming. I have seen that happen in other games and making certain things bound on pickup helped with that.

also i think it helps that crafting market

They have been consistantly lenient on bots for as long as ESO has been up.

Fix the disease, not the symptom.

You must have missed how things were in the first months of the game when you couldn’t go anywhere without seeing bots in major areas. But that’s beside the point.

While Zos could do more about bots, anyone who has spent even modest time in MMORPGs knows what you say is sadly impossible. Bots are in every MMORPG. I am confident you cannot name one without bots.

So working to control the bots and hinder their activity is required. Using your terms, a two promg effort is used to go after the disease and treat the sumptoms.

Ans regaedlwss. The ones who want to die yeh game of BoP are the ones who are challenged to clear the content for the gear. That’s why they cry out for this. Clearly it’s not form getging regular gear since that’s easy now with trait change.

neverwalk · February 2018

on some but not all. Monster Masks should always be Bound. Also Asylum weapons

QuebraRegra · February 2018

madchuska83 wrote: »

You have to work to get nice things.

no... we work to get money to buy games that we play so we can relax.

starkerealm · February 2018

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Yes ok wtb 1 vma bow
Enters dungeon players be like hey you did vma
I'm like yes I did vma

Stahp. :P You're giving me flashbacks to that newbie who wanted to buy my Senche tiger and was busting open their piggybank to offer 2k.

starkerealm · February 2018

neverwalk wrote: »

on some but not all. Monster Masks should always be Bound. Also Asylum weapons

Nah, Monster heads, Master Weapons and Asylum Weapons all require you clear content as a team. When you finish a vet dungeon, all four of you get a head. Don't like the one you got? You can trade for someone else's. Don't need the fantastic drop you just got because you already have one? Sure, hand it over to someone who was less fortunate and got it in invigorating.

Asylum and Master weapons are the same situation. Being able to trade those around seriously cuts down on the grind. It doesn't let people get access to gear they haven't earned.

Alaztor91 · February 2018

Just make it so that you need to have completed the content to be able to ''buy'' the specific bound item.

- You need that vMA weapon but you hate that place? Player X who loves doing vMA can sell it to you as long as you have stormproof on at least 1 character.

- You need that vDSA weapon but you can't get a group to run with? Player Y who always runs it with his friends can sell it to you as long as you have boethiah's scythe on at least 1 character.

You get my point. The only thing that prevents you from getting your desired item the first time you complete that content is RNG. You can get monster shoulders without ever doing a vet dungeon just from the keys from normal pledges, you can even get both shoulders and helms without ever setting foot on a dungeon or even owning the DLC from the golden vendor on cyrodill. What I propose above requires you to have completed the content at least 1 time and thus deserving of the associated reward.

They can even add it to the golden if they don't want players selling those items, and the purchase option would appear greyed out if you don't have the associated achievement/title/dye/etc. kinda like it works with achievement furniture vendors.

Armatesz · February 2018

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

I understand your complaint but bound on pickup helps with things like bot farming. I have seen that happen in other games and making certain things bound on pickup helped with that.

also i think it helps that crafting market

You are saying that people were bot farming instanced group Dungeons? How could you do that?

Pea

It is a rare thing to see but I've seen bots que'd into dungeons, doesn't happen that often on xbox na but it does happen.

Armatesz · February 2018

The whole thing of trying to make dungeon sets and trial sets to be tradeable to people that did not participate to me is not something I would want. It is a way to shine and show your skills as a player and to be potentially awarded with likewise item sets from a dungeon you might have been after or someone in your group might have been after.

Juju_beans · February 2018

I think the end game high level stuff should remain BOP. Takes work to get those items and making them BOE would cheapen the whole experience.

One day I would like to have the vMA bow and Masters Bow. And I'd like to earn them, not buy them from guild traders.

pod88kk · February 2018

Absolutely not, you either earn it or you don't get it.

Tonturri · February 2018

pod88kk wrote: »

Absolutely not, you either earn it or you don't get it.

Glad you think so! Because players most definitely EARN all the gold they acquire, and it seems the OP would gladly exchange a suitable amount of his earned gold for an armor piece he wants

Glad we had this talk.

Think about that though. How ridiculous would it be if PvPers couldn't spent any gold they earned in PvP on stuff other than what.

Personally, I see no reason someone shouldn't be able to pay millions of gold (or whatever massive number) in exchange for an end game armor piece from trials/whatever if someone was willing to sell it. *shrug*

Iccotak · February 2018

@Tonturri
Because it ruins group co-operation.
It really cuts down on the grind when everyone co-operates and trades together.
If you can't sell it or trade with anyone else, might as well trade with your party

Tonturri · February 2018

Iccotak wrote: »

@Tonturri
Because it ruins group co-operation.
It really cuts down on the grind when everyone co-operates and trades together.
If you can't sell it or trade with anyone else, might as well trade with your party

But more often than not, it ends up deconned, vendored, etc.

And how is picking up 3 other competent randos from /zone to run the dungeon that I'll probably never ever see again any more/less cooperative than buying the pieces I need from 3 equally competent randos who ran the dungeon and are willing to sell the pieces I need?

I guess you could argue that it helps with cooperation between guildies, but then the same scenario arises. It's not really any different than just buying the item you need from a guildie.

And not everything is a...how to say...People seem to paint a picture of "Cooperation! Player interaction! Socialness!" and all that jazz when citing why we shouldn't do this, when I at least am just thinking about all the stuff I've had to get rid of/deconned/vendored from random dungeons, etc that no one in the party (all randos, all very nice) needed, but someone else might've been willing to buy it from a kiosk. Allowing that would cut down on the grind even more.

So no, it doesn't ruin group cooperation, and heck it might even encourage people to do some content they would not have previously considered. I know I would be all over vet trials if I could sell anything I got but didn't need from 'em for a pretty penny.

Kikke · February 2018

@OP and those supporting him

Please quit the game... It seems that MMO is not the game for you...

MMO = farming
MMO = spending time
MMO = Repeat tasks
MMO = NOT FOR LAZY PEOPLE! (unless your Ok that you wont have everything)

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2018

I don't understand people...b4 one tamriel we barely had any BOP items and you could buy EVERYTHING even trial gear...after permanent complains and *** finally we got to 1 tamriel and people could no longer buy their stuff so they had to work for it!...now we go back saying we don't like it and we want to buy our stuff...so how I see this is... "We don't want B2W but we don't to work for our stuff thus paying is better." ...simply put you don't like B2W but you want to be able to B2W...time follow the marines.

Datthaw · February 2018

How dare zos make people play the game. What's the matter with them

NoMoreChillies · February 2018

I'd love to sell the drops i dont need on guild traders
then
take that gold and buy the PVP skills i want instead of feeding cyrodiil

BloodWolfe · February 2018

You want it?

Then earn it!

Self-entitled instant-gratification generation is ruining the gaming industry. BoP items are (and always will be) a part of MMO's, It's what keeps people playing and repeating content. If you don't plan to do that content you don't need it and if you don't want to earn it then you don't deserve it. If that's too much for you then go play COD or something because clearly MMO's and RPG's aren't meant for you.

D0PAMINE · February 2018

Tonturri wrote: »

pod88kk wrote: »

Absolutely not, you either earn it or you don't get it.

Glad you think so! Because players most definitely EARN all the gold they acquire, and it seems the OP would gladly exchange a suitable amount of his earned gold for an armor piece he wants Glad we had this talk.

Think about that though. How ridiculous would it be if PvPers couldn't spent any gold they earned in PvP on stuff other than what.

Personally, I see no reason someone shouldn't be able to pay millions of gold (or whatever massive number) in exchange for an end game armor piece from trials/whatever if someone was willing to sell it. *shrug*

Right, because gold selling to buy these expensive pieces or people selling BiS gear for real money wouldnt get out of hand. Glad we had this talk.

You want the gear? Then you're going to complete the content. You can pay for a carry with your hard earned gold or buy the gear from a fellow group member.

SugaComa · February 2018

I have a solution to all our problems

Start the game at max level with all the equipment n skills unlocked ...

Then as you play content you drop levels n gear gets damaged until it eventually breaks and is auto discarded until eventually you're just a naked street brawler throwing punches ... At least PvP will be balanced at end game this way

Tonturri · February 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

pod88kk wrote: »

Absolutely not, you either earn it or you don't get it.

Glad you think so! Because players most definitely EARN all the gold they acquire, and it seems the OP would gladly exchange a suitable amount of his earned gold for an armor piece he wants Glad we had this talk.

Think about that though. How ridiculous would it be if PvPers couldn't spent any gold they earned in PvP on stuff other than what.

Personally, I see no reason someone shouldn't be able to pay millions of gold (or whatever massive number) in exchange for an end game armor piece from trials/whatever if someone was willing to sell it. *shrug*

Right, because gold selling to buy these expensive pieces or people selling BiS gear for real money wouldnt get out of hand. Glad we had this talk.

You want the gear? Then you're going to complete the content. You can pay for a carry with your hard earned gold or buy the gear from a fellow group member.

There is effectively no difference* between paying someone to carry you through content for gear and buying said gear off a kiosk. Gold selling/RL$ BiS gear is unlikely to change at all, considering they can pretty much already do those things. Personally, I'd prefer people do the content they want to do. If doing so results in a however minor increase in illicit activities, I'd be all for it (and if that's what it takes for ZOS to crack down a bit on such things, woo xD)

*Okay so, small tangent here. I've nothing against having to do the content to get a shiny thing that says 'you have done this content'. It would be nonsensical to complete Elden Root I normal and then suddenly get Stormproof, yes? Gear on the other hand...it's in the loot tables because ZOS put it there, because...whatever reason they may have. And some people (me, for example), don't care about achievements/titles/whatever.

And I suppose you could argue that a significant difference is time, but I find it rather shaky ground to base a stance on a subject because you'd rather people spend however many extra minutes it'd take to do the thing.

Harping about 'want the gear, then complete the content' over and over is just repeating how things currently are. There's a logical fallacy named after that.