ESO Stamblade 51.5K DPS 3mil [Dragon Bones]

Ep1kMalware · February 2018

Izaki wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Araxyte wrote: »

Just wanted to share my first attempt at stamblade DPS this patch. I have no idea if my traits or CP are right so could possibly do better, also not played for a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsUGFfdbfk&t=8s

Notes

Gear: TFS, Warmachine, Kraghs, VMA bow, Poison back-bar, Axe/dagger setup (mechanical acuity instead of TFS for dungeons and trials is filthy deeps)

Blue resource food

Lover stone (Warrior stone for dungeon and trials is even more deeps)

CP I don't even know tbh, probably all in blessed

No, using an axe is not "waaah you're cheesing it waaah". You want more single target dps most places.

Sure you can use velidreth

All abilities used in the video would be what I would use in dungeons and trials, even the marked for death (pre-debuff, crit passives, healing and major berserk when target dies)

People using dawnbreaker front bar for stamblade BIG FACE PALM

This build is very easy to sustain now, just do a few more heavy attacks than what you saw in the video and take synergies. The synergy patch made sustaining so so easy.

Infused axe with precise dagger. Nirnhoned bow.

TFS + The Lover + Kra'gh and you run completely out of stam at 30%, and you think people are going to call out using an axe as cheese? lol

Nice parse though.

Also, Dawnbreaker on the front bar works totally fine, and is probably optimal if you are using Mechanical Acuity as you have War Machine on both bars and want to maximize the Acuity proc time for Spectral Bow/Killer's Blade rather than using Incap while it's procced. Particularly since most people use Nirnhoned/Infused on the front bar (as opposed to the Infused/Precise setup you're using here), Dawnbreaker gives a massive weapon damage boost.

Did you not read "do more heavy attacks"?
Did you not watch the video? Did you know that for more war machine up time incap is superior He did say he wasn't sure traits were bis, so before nit picking, try to read and understand hes done a lot of dps as it is, far more than anyone's knowingly done. So right now, his set up is absolutely fine.

Guildmate on ps4 has done 55k on stam nb. OP is in that ballpark. Well done OP! I'm working on stamblade atm, thanks for posting

Plenty of people have hit 51k+ actually since CwC dropped. At this point, its not even about skill, its about lucky crits and lucky procs.

But if you want to work on Stamblade, don't get used to using dummy setups, because the skill setup and the rotation is very different to what you'd use in a raid. It used to be the same thing for both more or less, but now with Acuity, things changed quite a lot between the two. So if anything, I'd recommend working on a light attack rotation with 3 bow procs per cast of Relentless on a 6mil dummy. Don't be afraid to do extra barswaps depending on the number of light attacks you've already done! Dynamic rotations > static rotations.

I'm well aware of raid setups, my stamplar is doing 40k with raid setup. Best this patch is 42k for me. Nb is just weird for me because trap is backbared, otherwise similar enough.

Maulkin · February 2018

Araxyte wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Araxyte wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

TFS + The Lover + Kra'gh and you run completely out of stam at 30%, and you think people are going to call out using an axe as cheese? lol

Nice parse though.

Also, Dawnbreaker on the front bar works totally fine, and is probably optimal if you are using Mechanical Acuity as you have War Machine on both bars and want to maximize the Acuity proc time for Spectral Bow/Killer's Blade rather than using Incap while it's procced. Particularly since most people use Nirnhoned/Infused on the front bar (as opposed to the Infused/Precise setup you're using here), Dawnbreaker gives a massive weapon damage boost.

Of course I'm going to change how I fight on targets with more health... you think I'm just going to let my stamina drop to 0 like an idiot lmao. Yes people do find things to flame about such as an axe so I had to mention it. And you want to maximise WM up-time for your team which means using incap on front-bar - this fits in perfectly with your ultimate regen rather than having to wait until you're on your back-bar.

Also in a dungeon and trials you would have countless synergies for regen...

About Incap on the front bar: you know you can always barswap to the back bar and apply Incap when its up and swap back to the front bar, right?

You do realize he was using War Machine weapons right? If he Incaps on back bar, War Marchine DOESN'T GO OFF.

He obviously wants TFS on the body (as he has) so it applies even when he switches to his backbar. Even bar switching after using Incap back bar isn't going to magically proc Major Slayer; it applies the SECOND the ultimate is used. Even though the graphic looks like it's being used with two daggers, be very assured you are hitting it with your bow (and as such, no Major Slayer)

Also, a fat no on whoever mentioned Stormfist. Stam Sorc maybe through implosion, but offers nothing to a Stamblade.

First off, the OP himself said "font-barring Flawless big face palm" which implies he meant it for every one not just his specific build.

Secondly, I don't mind people switching sets or mundus stones to perform better against the dummy but where I personally draw the line on cheese is when it ends up changing your skill configuration to match the specific sets that you'll only really use against the dummy. Like, what are you even testing on that parse? If you're not practising the skill rotation you'll use on Trial, what is it for?

You're not gonna use TFS on trials, never mind Kragh. Alkosh, Sunder, Torugs with Crusher enchant, and 2000 points in CP penetration will debuff the boss fully. You'll therefore want War Machine on the body rather than the weapons and Acuity on the swords. Which means you'll be front-barring Flawless for more damage on SA, Spectral Bow, and Killer's Blade and back-barring Incap. It's the most efficient set up.

He's altered the skill set up to suit a dummy parse cheese and it also seemed he tried to lecture others on skill set up, that's why some people responded. It's all good though, it's been cleared up.

These are the skills I use everywhere This is what I used to do for 60K+ rakkat hard-mode months ago. I shouldn't of made the comment on the dawnbreaker but don't nit-pick my post. If you have something constructive to say then fine but don't just indirectly flame me, I'm sure you have better things to do.

I wasn't intending to indirectly flame you, apologies if it came across as such. The only thing I argue against was the ult thing, but like I said it's been cleared up. The rest of the set up is practically optimal and the rotation very smooth.

I do have a bit of a generic negative attitude towards people that overstack penetration for dummy tests, but that's on me.

Izaki · February 2018

Araxyte wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Yeah good parse man..! But I do have to ask: why do you need this much cheese? You could easily get more or less the same results by using a raid setup:

- 5 War Machine
- 5 Acuity
- 2 Stormfist
- Warrior Mundus, 23 CP into Piercing

I remember having fun cheesing a few parses with the same gear setup as you and getting 52.6k ish back in Clockwork City, but I did start to question the usefulness of those parses. They don't reflect anything at all. Its not even close to a build that you would use in a raid situation. And a target dummy provides 2 things: build/set comparisons on the same class and rotation practice. You can't compare a full penetration build to a raid build and the rotation would also look different due to the difference in sustain.

Then again, 3mil dummies are basically pointless anyway since they are short fights in which you have 2 factors that dictate everything: critical hit luck and the fact that you don't need to think about sustain. 6mil dummies are a much more accurate representation of what a raid rotation would look like.

This is one of my 6mil dummy parses from last patch:

Exactly same thing as the 3mil dummy parse, but with 5 CP less in Master at Arms, 4 CP less in Thaum and 1 CP less in Piercing.

So yeah. Just my thoughts on why its un-needed to overstack penetration.

What traits/ glyphs are you using for your weapons in these parses? I'm getting around 44k with your setup on 6mil dummy but I can't seem to get my abilities to hit as much. Also the storm fist seems interesting, I'll have to farm it - the regen would be nice

The usual stuff. Nirnhoned main hand with poison enchant and Infused off hand with Berserker enchant. Nirnhoned Bow with Poisons. Stormfist isn't just for the recovery. The proc itself deals more single target DPS than Velidreth which balances out the loss of DPS from having a recovery piece.

It is a full light attack rotation (I believe I did 3 heavy attacks in the entire parse and still finished the fight with about 40% of my stamina). A full light attack rotation enables me to use 3 bow procs and even occasionally 4 per cast of Relentless Focus as long as you prioritize it properly in the rotation. Also this kinda resembles the Magblade rotation in the sense that you have to do extra bar swaps to do everything right.

kylewwefan · February 2018

Do you get that many bow procs off when in action? I feel lucky if I get one in every now and then. Heck, even on the dummy I barely get 2.

Izaki · February 2018

kylewwefan wrote: »

Do you get that many bow procs off when in action? I feel lucky if I get one in every now and then. Heck, even on the dummy I barely get 2.

Yeah pretty much all the time. Of course depending on the fight mechanics I might only get off 2, but its usually 3 per cast.

SmellyUnlimited · February 2018

Izaki wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Araxyte wrote: »

Just wanted to share my first attempt at stamblade DPS this patch. I have no idea if my traits or CP are right so could possibly do better, also not played for a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsUGFfdbfk&t=8s

Notes

Gear: TFS, Warmachine, Kraghs, VMA bow, Poison back-bar, Axe/dagger setup (mechanical acuity instead of TFS for dungeons and trials is filthy deeps)

Blue resource food

Lover stone (Warrior stone for dungeon and trials is even more deeps)

CP I don't even know tbh, probably all in blessed

No, using an axe is not "waaah you're cheesing it waaah". You want more single target dps most places.

Sure you can use velidreth

All abilities used in the video would be what I would use in dungeons and trials, even the marked for death (pre-debuff, crit passives, healing and major berserk when target dies)

People using dawnbreaker front bar for stamblade BIG FACE PALM

This build is very easy to sustain now, just do a few more heavy attacks than what you saw in the video and take synergies. The synergy patch made sustaining so so easy.

Infused axe with precise dagger. Nirnhoned bow.

TFS + The Lover + Kra'gh and you run completely out of stam at 30%, and you think people are going to call out using an axe as cheese? lol

Nice parse though.

Also, Dawnbreaker on the front bar works totally fine, and is probably optimal if you are using Mechanical Acuity as you have War Machine on both bars and want to maximize the Acuity proc time for Spectral Bow/Killer's Blade rather than using Incap while it's procced. Particularly since most people use Nirnhoned/Infused on the front bar (as opposed to the Infused/Precise setup you're using here), Dawnbreaker gives a massive weapon damage boost.

Did you not read "do more heavy attacks"?
Did you not watch the video? Did you know that for more war machine up time incap is superior He did say he wasn't sure traits were bis, so before nit picking, try to read and understand hes done a lot of dps as it is, far more than anyone's knowingly done. So right now, his set up is absolutely fine.

Guildmate on ps4 has done 55k on stam nb. OP is in that ballpark. Well done OP! I'm working on stamblade atm, thanks for posting

Plenty of people have hit 51k+ actually since CwC dropped. At this point, its not even about skill, its about lucky crits and lucky procs.

But if you want to work on Stamblade, don't get used to using dummy setups, because the skill setup and the rotation is very different to what you'd use in a raid. It used to be the same thing for both more or less, but now with Acuity, things changed quite a lot between the two. So if anything, I'd recommend working on a light attack rotation with 3 bow procs per cast of Relentless on a 6mil dummy. Don't be afraid to do extra barswaps depending on the number of light attacks you've already done! Dynamic rotations > static rotations.

@Izaki

How fast are you light attacking to get 3 bow procs? I tested a few times just now using RF, and just light attacking nonstop. I barely got 3. Unless you have some godly ping, weaving in abilities with light attack, I can’t see how it’s possible. Or at least it doesn’t seem possible on console.

What skills are different with Acuity added? His bars look pretty optimized. Going through the skill tree, I’m having trouble picking what could add value over another skill with the addition of Acuity. If WM body/jewels and Acuity all else, Incap Strike on backbar makes sense, without Flawless front bar. Maaaaybe switching Trap beast to front with Relentless Focus to back for more fighter guild passives. That’s about all I could find, though.

I really don’t seem how he’s cheesing anything.

-Doesn’t penetration make the biggest difference in damage added (unless overpenetrating obviously)? He would likely get Crusher/Alkosh/maybe NMG in a trial, using a penetration set up makes the most sense for trying to replicate an actually trial scenario.

-Or does Acuity + WM/Warrior Mundus actually net higher parses than what’s you’d get with a pen set?

I will give Stormfist a try, though again, fighting groups of enemies in an actual trial setting would reasonably make Veli more value-added.

Izaki · February 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Araxyte wrote: »

Just wanted to share my first attempt at stamblade DPS this patch. I have no idea if my traits or CP are right so could possibly do better, also not played for a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsUGFfdbfk&t=8s

Notes

Gear: TFS, Warmachine, Kraghs, VMA bow, Poison back-bar, Axe/dagger setup (mechanical acuity instead of TFS for dungeons and trials is filthy deeps)

Blue resource food

Lover stone (Warrior stone for dungeon and trials is even more deeps)

CP I don't even know tbh, probably all in blessed

No, using an axe is not "waaah you're cheesing it waaah". You want more single target dps most places.

Sure you can use velidreth

All abilities used in the video would be what I would use in dungeons and trials, even the marked for death (pre-debuff, crit passives, healing and major berserk when target dies)

People using dawnbreaker front bar for stamblade BIG FACE PALM

This build is very easy to sustain now, just do a few more heavy attacks than what you saw in the video and take synergies. The synergy patch made sustaining so so easy.

Infused axe with precise dagger. Nirnhoned bow.

TFS + The Lover + Kra'gh and you run completely out of stam at 30%, and you think people are going to call out using an axe as cheese? lol

Nice parse though.

Also, Dawnbreaker on the front bar works totally fine, and is probably optimal if you are using Mechanical Acuity as you have War Machine on both bars and want to maximize the Acuity proc time for Spectral Bow/Killer's Blade rather than using Incap while it's procced. Particularly since most people use Nirnhoned/Infused on the front bar (as opposed to the Infused/Precise setup you're using here), Dawnbreaker gives a massive weapon damage boost.

Did you not read "do more heavy attacks"?
Did you not watch the video? Did you know that for more war machine up time incap is superior He did say he wasn't sure traits were bis, so before nit picking, try to read and understand hes done a lot of dps as it is, far more than anyone's knowingly done. So right now, his set up is absolutely fine.

Guildmate on ps4 has done 55k on stam nb. OP is in that ballpark. Well done OP! I'm working on stamblade atm, thanks for posting

Plenty of people have hit 51k+ actually since CwC dropped. At this point, its not even about skill, its about lucky crits and lucky procs.

But if you want to work on Stamblade, don't get used to using dummy setups, because the skill setup and the rotation is very different to what you'd use in a raid. It used to be the same thing for both more or less, but now with Acuity, things changed quite a lot between the two. So if anything, I'd recommend working on a light attack rotation with 3 bow procs per cast of Relentless on a 6mil dummy. Don't be afraid to do extra barswaps depending on the number of light attacks you've already done! Dynamic rotations > static rotations.

Izaki wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

Araxyte wrote: »

Just wanted to share my first attempt at stamblade DPS this patch. I have no idea if my traits or CP are right so could possibly do better, also not played for a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsUGFfdbfk&t=8s

Notes

Gear: TFS, Warmachine, Kraghs, VMA bow, Poison back-bar, Axe/dagger setup (mechanical acuity instead of TFS for dungeons and trials is filthy deeps)

Blue resource food

Lover stone (Warrior stone for dungeon and trials is even more deeps)

CP I don't even know tbh, probably all in blessed

No, using an axe is not "waaah you're cheesing it waaah". You want more single target dps most places.

Sure you can use velidreth

All abilities used in the video would be what I would use in dungeons and trials, even the marked for death (pre-debuff, crit passives, healing and major berserk when target dies)

People using dawnbreaker front bar for stamblade BIG FACE PALM

This build is very easy to sustain now, just do a few more heavy attacks than what you saw in the video and take synergies. The synergy patch made sustaining so so easy.

Infused axe with precise dagger. Nirnhoned bow.

TFS + The Lover + Kra'gh and you run completely out of stam at 30%, and you think people are going to call out using an axe as cheese? lol

Nice parse though.

Also, Dawnbreaker on the front bar works totally fine, and is probably optimal if you are using Mechanical Acuity as you have War Machine on both bars and want to maximize the Acuity proc time for Spectral Bow/Killer's Blade rather than using Incap while it's procced. Particularly since most people use Nirnhoned/Infused on the front bar (as opposed to the Infused/Precise setup you're using here), Dawnbreaker gives a massive weapon damage boost.

Did you not read "do more heavy attacks"?
Did you not watch the video? Did you know that for more war machine up time incap is superior He did say he wasn't sure traits were bis, so before nit picking, try to read and understand hes done a lot of dps as it is, far more than anyone's knowingly done. So right now, his set up is absolutely fine.

Guildmate on ps4 has done 55k on stam nb. OP is in that ballpark. Well done OP! I'm working on stamblade atm, thanks for posting

Plenty of people have hit 51k+ actually since CwC dropped. At this point, its not even about skill, its about lucky crits and lucky procs.

But if you want to work on Stamblade, don't get used to using dummy setups, because the skill setup and the rotation is very different to what you'd use in a raid. It used to be the same thing for both more or less, but now with Acuity, things changed quite a lot between the two. So if anything, I'd recommend working on a light attack rotation with 3 bow procs per cast of Relentless on a 6mil dummy. Don't be afraid to do extra barswaps depending on the number of light attacks you've already done! Dynamic rotations > static rotations.

@Izaki

How fast are you light attacking to get 3 bow procs? I tested a few times just now using RF, and just light attacking nonstop. I barely got 3. Unless you have some godly ping, weaving in abilities with light attack, I can’t see how it’s possible. Or at least it doesn’t seem possible on console.

What skills are different with Acuity added? His bars look pretty optimized. Going through the skill tree, I’m having trouble picking what could add value over another skill with the addition of Acuity. If WM body/jewels and Acuity all else, Incap Strike on backbar makes sense, without Flawless front bar. Maaaaybe switching Trap beast to front with Relentless Focus to back for more fighter guild passives. That’s about all I could find, though.

I really don’t seem how he’s cheesing anything.

-Doesn’t penetration make the biggest difference in damage added (unless overpenetrating obviously)? He would likely get Crusher/Alkosh/maybe NMG in a trial, using a penetration set up makes the most sense for trying to replicate an actually trial scenario.

-Or does Acuity + WM/Warrior Mundus actually net higher parses than what’s you’d get with a pen set?

I will give Stormfist a try, though again, fighting groups of enemies in an actual trial setting would reasonably make Veli more value-added.

I get 3 bow procs in roughly 17-18 seconds just doing my normal rotation. Basically, you do 4 skill casts with 4 light attacks and your 5th skill cast is the Bow proc. It is doable on console because I used to play on console before switching to PC and it was very possible to do.

The bar setup doesn't change with Acuity, aside from the fact that Flawless front bar and Incap back bar is the most optimal ulti setup. In most raids, I play without Deadly Cloak so I put Silver Shards on the front bar for a ranged option if I'm too far to Surprise Attack and to get the 3% Weapon Damage from FG passives.

Using anything other than a raid setup on the target dummy is cheesing in my opinion. You'll never have TFS Kra'gh and the Lover in raids and using it on the dummy just inflates your DPS numbers.

Stormfist is better for AoE DPS than Velidreth since it doesn't have a cap on how many targets it can hit, whereas Veli can only hit a maximum of 3 targets. Plus Stormfist won't miss when you're doing mechanics and aren't facing the boss.