Sets that all Blend Together.

Mashille · February 2018

This is simply a plea for more creative ideas for Armour sets because at the moment so many sets are almost identical they all blend into one.

1 - 4 Piece Bonuses.
I personally think that something that could help with this is more creative 4 Piece bonuses as I think we are all a bit bored of Max Stam, Max Mag, WD, SP, WC, SC, Max Health etc... The 4 piece bonuses are chosen from such a limited pool that huge amounts of sets in the game just share the same 4 piece bonuses and I feel this makes set choosing far less interesting.

Here is a small list of things that I feel could be added as 1 - 4 Piece Bonuses:

Critical Damage.
Reduced Ability Cost.
Movement Speed.
Dodge Roll Cost.
Block Cost.
Ability Range.
Amount of Resources Heavy Attacks Restore.

I know that a lot of these things probably don't get put onto 4 piece bonuses as they would be considered "Too Weak" when compared to other possibilities such as Max Stam etc however I feel it would be possible to balance them so they are still effective and a viable choice.

Dull repetitive 2 / 5 Pieces.

Since launch ZOS has seemed to get more and more into the same mind set with Armour Set 5 pieces and that is "When you do X there is an X chance that you'll do X" and yes that's fine and all but so many of the sets being added to the game seem all too familiar and hardly seem "new" at all due how similar they are to so many sets that are already in the game.

Here's a List of some of the 5 Piece affects that all blur together in one big ol boring clump:

And this is no where near all of them. Basically all of these read the exact same way and it's just dull and boring. So please, in the future could we try and be a bit more creative when inventing "Cool" and "Unique" set bonuses.

Jamini · February 2018

You literally made a complaint thread about proc sets.

K.

Good for you.

Mashille · February 2018

@Jamini Did you even read the post? I'm not complaining about how proc sets work or whining about them being too power or anything remotely close to that.

I'm just asking for set design to be a bit less, copy paste.

LeagueTroll · February 2018

Game is already not balanced, choice and options are good, but also gives room for some unbalanced builds. Lets take a look at your suggestion. Block cost, this will be either complete useless, or used by every troll tank. Ability cost, either more op than amberplasm, or complete trash.

iNSiPiD1 · February 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Game is already not balanced, choice and options are good, but also gives room for some unbalanced builds. Lets take a look at your suggestion. Block cost, this will be either complete useless, or used by every troll tank. Ability cost, either more op than amberplasm, or complete trash.

Good point, there is no reason to attempt to innovate because everything is either complete trash or OP. Let's just keep it stale.

Faulgor · February 2018

They experimented with adding Spell/Physical Penetration to 1-4pc bonuses in the latest updates, which was a step in the right direction.

Along the same lines, would be great to get armor enchantments other than H/M/S boosts, but I'm not holding my breath for that one. Enchanting didn't get an update since Imperial City.

Doctordarkspawn · February 2018

Jamini wrote: »

You literally made a complaint thread about proc sets.

K.

Good for you.

He didn't say anything about proc sets.

He suggested more interesting middle set bonuses.

Your agenda isn't here, look elsewhere for it.

Jamini · February 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

You literally made a complaint thread about proc sets.

K.

Good for you.

He didn't say anything about proc sets.

He suggested more interesting middle set bonuses.

Your agenda isn't here, look elsewhere for it.

Uhhh

Dull repetitive 2 / 5 Pieces.

Since launch ZOS has seemed to get more and more into the same mind set with Armour Set 5 pieces and that is "When you do X there is an X chance that you'll do X" and yes that's fine and all but so many of the sets being added to the game seem all too familiar and hardly seem "new" at all due how similar they are to so many sets that are already in the game.

Here's a List of some of the 5 Piece affects that all blur together in one big ol boring clump:

That's literally exactly what he said in the second half of his post.

Mashille · February 2018

@Jamini

There's a difference between raging about proc sets and what this thread is about, if you can't understand that then I'd recommend going somewhere else.

josiahva · February 2018

Jamini wrote: »

You literally made a complaint thread about proc sets.

K.

Good for you.

Proc sets deserve to be complained about. I dont mind proc sets, but the sheer quantity of them out there is ridiculous, I would much prefer a solid bonus that doesnt rely on RNG for 5 piece. Monster helms are terrible about this, with only a few giving non-proc 2-piece bonuses.

Jamini · February 2018

Mashille wrote: »

@Jamini

There's a difference between raging about proc sets and what this thread is about, if you can't understand that then I'd recommend going somewhere else.

"I got called out on a complaint thread and can't make a coherent argument."

There are a good deal of non-proc 5pc sets. Generally they just aren't used much (outside of the raw stat stick sets that are Hundlings and Julianos) because... surprise surprise... people tend to focus on what gives them the most damage/burst.

Let's look at your proposed 2/3/4 piece set bonuses:

Critical Damage - This is worth a 5piece set bonus

Archer's Mind

Reduced Ability Cost. - This is REPEATEDLY shown to be worth a 3/5 set bonus in the eyes of Zenimax

Vicious Serpent
Quick Serpent
Armor of the Seducer
Eyes of Mara
Robes of Alteration Mastery
Blessing of the Potentates

Movement Speed - Once again, Major AND Minor expedition are shown to be considered worth a full 5-piece set.
Prisoner's Rags
Skooma Smuggler
Jailbreaker
Vicious Serpent
Quick Serpent

Dodge Roll Cost - Stamina cost reduction reduces the cost of Roll dodge IIRC. Also again, it's considered worth 5pc
Crusader
Vicious Serpent
Quick Serpent

Block Cost - Possible, but again. The closest we have to this is Footman's Fortune... which again is considered a 5pc set.
Footman's Fortune

Ability Range - Already exists on a 3-piece
Eagle Eye Set

Amount of Resources Heavy Attacks Restore - Maybe, but this seems better suited for a full 5pc bonus with how strong it would be, and how much it crowds in on the heavy armor passive.

Jamini · February 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Jamini wrote: »

You literally made a complaint thread about proc sets.

K.

Good for you.

Proc sets deserve to be complained about. I dont mind proc sets, but the sheer quantity of them out there is ridiculous, I would much prefer a solid bonus that doesnt rely on RNG for 5 piece. Monster helms are terrible about this, with only a few giving non-proc 2-piece bonuses.

Not everyone hates proc sets. There are a lot more non-proc sets then there are proc sets overall. Proc sets are only complained about because, unlike non-proc sets, they actually contribute to your damage.

Spacemonkey · February 2018

I dont think its about proc sets either.

Perhaps additional clarification is in order by OP, but I took it as the 5/5/2 Meta is a bit stale and it would be nice to have 2/3/4/5/6 possibilities for sets AND that they dont just all add stats (M/S/H) until their last bonus.

Yep absolutely would be harder to balance. But they you dont really think everything will ever really be truly balanced do you? Its a bit at odds with this being an mmorpg and all....

Seraphayel · February 2018

I wish there would be more synergies like all the medium armor sets favoring poison damage.

Mashille · February 2018

@Jamini

Yes there are lots of sets in the game that aren't proc sets but again, I think you are misunderstanding my point almost entirely. All of the sets I originally listed read and sound the exact same way, that's all I was bringing up, the fact they all work in such a similar or the exact same manner as each other to the point where when ZOS releases certain new sets they never feel "new" as they're the same exact thing we've seen 50 times over just tweaked slightly.

As for you argument against my 1 - 4 piece set bonus ideas.

One, it's just some ideas, I'm not saying these should or should not be on 1- 4 set bonuses I was just giving some suggestions as the current 1 - 4 bonus pool is very limited.

Two, your logic is flawed. You're going by the idea that just because a set of armour as a Bonus for a 5 piece means that no sets should be able to have versions of that as a 1 - 4 piece. That doesn't make any sense, obviously the 1 - 4 peice bonses, even if they were buffing the same aspect would not be as powerful as the 5 piece bonuses.

Jamini wrote: »

Critical Damage - This is worth a 5piece set bonus

By your logic 0 armour sets should be able to have "Increase Maximum Stamina" on a 1 - 4 piece because Draugr Hulk has the same effect as a 5 piece. And 0 armour sets should be able to have increase Stam or Mag recovery just because Amber Plasm has the same effect on a 5 piece.

Jamini wrote: »

"I got called out on a complaint thread and can't make a coherent argument."

I think here's where you're having a problem. You think this is a "complaint" thread, read the wording of my original post, there is nothing "complainy" or whiny about it. It's simply a statement giving ZOS feedback on the fact that quite a few of their sets are a bit "samey".

Also, I don't understand you talking about me not begin able to make a "coherent argument" because this isn't an argument, it has never been an argument. And personally I think you are just someone who looking for someone to have a fight with or argue with to sate your obvious need for an ego boost

Lexxypwns · February 2018

Morag Tong is lit AF for bombing on stam warden tho...