Why is Crystal Fragments ill advised?

srfrogg23 · February 2018

This is coming from the new Skill Advisor. Just curious about the rationale behind that. Is that just for leveling? IMO, crystal fragments is the better of the two morphs.

Aliyavana · February 2018

so they can trick lowbies to actually using the less desireable morphs

LordSemaj · February 2018

Because lowbies fight groups of mobs and I'm guessing you're looking at the newbie level advisor.

ArchMikem · February 2018

ZOS "tried" to make the other morph, Crystal Blast, into the PvE option while Crystal Fragments is the PvP option. However because the Blast Morph still has that long cast time it's pointless to use it in end-game PvE cause it hurts your overall dps.

Sixty5 · February 2018

Because ZOS want Crystal Blast to be a thing.

Also scrubs need CC to take out basic enemies.

MissBizz · February 2018

Because knowing when crystal frags procs is important and a new player is honestly probably going to hard cast, so they are better off with that morph.

If you check the Magicka sorc dps build on the skill advisor, it advised frags.

Ankael07 · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

so they can trick lowbies to actually using the less desirable morphs

And when the forum community argues that CB is useless they'll show this as an excuse because numbers

DarcyMardin · February 2018

I am leveling a new sorc, and I wondered the same thing.

idk · February 2018

The thing about the skill advisor is it is built and designed by people who do not know what works best. It can only serve in a very limited manner to help in a meager way.

Basicaly, this is the result of all those threads asking for Zos to create something to help new players understand what they need to use to be effective in their role. It will never been ideal by any means since things change very 3 months, but it is more likely to steer new players into low performance builds.

Hopefully it will be better than the average player comes up with. The ones that does no research themselves.

DoctorESO · February 2018

It's not the simplest maneuver due to the proc nature.

Morgul667 · February 2018

Either because they dont know their game or because they think the skill is too hard for new players to use. But then you can picture the players face when they try their first dungeon and we tell them this morph is absolutly useless. They will say: yes but i followed advisor

Seriousky though i laughed irl the first time i saw this

Horrum · February 2018

Change your class role in the skill advisor. Elemental Arcanist will show it as advised whereas the default/initiate role leans towards a jack-of-all trades build to help newer players survive.

f047ys3v3n · February 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

Because ZOS want Crystal Blast to be a thing.

Also scrubs need CC to take out basic enemies.

Bingo.

They want folks using long cast time abilities just like they want people to do mostly fully charged heavy attacks. Many of us think it is ultimately about decreasing casts/second to reduce server load. It is working in a round about way. Combat sucks so people quit the game which decreases server load. problem solved.

But yea, the very poor choice that the adviser advises here is because ZOS wants people to use that morph not because it is a good choice.

MehrunesFlagon · February 2018

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

Because ZOS want Crystal Blast to be a thing.

Also scrubs need CC to take out basic enemies.

Bingo.

They want folks using long cast time abilities just like they want people to do mostly fully charged heavy attacks. Many of us think it is ultimately about decreasing casts/second to reduce server load. It is working in a round about way. Combat sucks so people quit the game which decreases server load. problem solved.

But yea, the very poor choice that the adviser advises here is because ZOS wants people to use that morph not because it is a good choice.

Never quite understood why it's even important that people us it in the first place.

Dymence · February 2018

MissBizz wrote: »

Because knowing when crystal frags procs is important and a new player is honestly probably going to hard cast, so they are better off with that morph.

If you check the Magicka sorc dps build on the skill advisor, it advised frags.

I like how everyone is ignoring this comment

Tasear · February 2018

* popcorn, it's taken a week for someone to mention in general forums.

I would like see chaos stir but in theory the response was this will make new players more combat effective. They will produce more dps spaming this? Well that's idea of it.

red_emu · February 2018

I actually use C.Blast in PvP. Yeah it has a long cast time but the addition of stun and AOE damage is great for clearing out flags or keeping pressure on EP blobs.

MehrunesFlagon · February 2018

red_emu wrote: »

I actually use C.Blast in PvP. Yeah it has a long cast time but the addition of stun and AOE damage is great for clearing out flags or keeping pressure on EP blobs.

How many times have you been wrecked?

red_emu · February 2018

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I actually use C.Blast in PvP. Yeah it has a long cast time but the addition of stun and AOE damage is great for clearing out flags or keeping pressure on EP blobs.

How many times have you been wrecked?

No as many times as you might think.

MehrunesFlagon · February 2018

red_emu wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I actually use C.Blast in PvP. Yeah it has a long cast time but the addition of stun and AOE damage is great for clearing out flags or keeping pressure on EP blobs.

How many times have you been wrecked?

No as many times as you might think.

Well usually hard casters are seen as an easy target.

Didgerion · February 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

This is coming from the new Skill Advisor. Just curious about the rationale behind that. Is that just for leveling? IMO, crystal fragments is the better of the two morphs.

Elementary, my dear Watson!

We have to find the person who created the Crystal Blast morph .. and this is the same person who tuned up the Tooltip advisor!

Iselin · February 2018

Any new player leveling any class would be much better off ditching the default noob skill adviser and choosing one of the others. Not only does it give questionable advice on skills and morphs it totally ignores anything but class skills: no weapon, armor or guild skills are included.

The two DPS, healer and tank builds, although not perfect either, are much better and do include skills from lines other than the class lines.

I find it really weird that someone chose not to advise on things as basic as armor-based cost reduction and regen passives on the default build. It's not a very good introduction at all.

red_emu · February 2018

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I actually use C.Blast in PvP. Yeah it has a long cast time but the addition of stun and AOE damage is great for clearing out flags or keeping pressure on EP blobs.

How many times have you been wrecked?

No as many times as you might think.

Well usually hard casters are seen as an easy target.

True that, however relying on a proc and the measly 10% extra damage just don't seem as appealing to me. That and considering the fact AD always has to fight against a zerg, AOEs are a bread and butter of my life.

Iselin · February 2018

red_emu wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

I actually use C.Blast in PvP. Yeah it has a long cast time but the addition of stun and AOE damage is great for clearing out flags or keeping pressure on EP blobs.

How many times have you been wrecked?

No as many times as you might think.

Well usually hard casters are seen as an easy target.

True that, however relying on a proc and the measly 10% extra damage just don't seem as appealing to me. That and considering the fact AD always has to fight against a zerg, AOEs are a bread and butter of my life.

Hard cast blast as an opener from stealth is actually a better skill due to the stun they removed from frags.

There was an interesting magicka sorc ganker build video posted here a couple of months back that used blast just that way. The slower arc as it travels to the target (unlike frag'' much faster straight line) also let's you combo it with a second hard hitter for that initial burst. As I recall the video I saw used Overload light attack as the second skill and they both landed pretty well simultaneously.

But yeah cast time abilities at any other time is pretty well like hanging a "target me!" sign on yourself

RobZha · February 2018

I remember when I was fairly low ranked in pvp and spamming long cast frags at the end of a fight to take out a brigadier in a res tower. Was happy at the time to win (even though I thought the other player would've thought I was lame fighting like that.) but was recently on the opposite side in a res tower and someone else was long casting frags at me in the doorway and it just made me laugh I think. There's just something about seeing others do it in pvp that I find amusing.

I still do it myself in cyro sometimes, but usually by mistake and/or due to messed up lag.