Dont listen to the p2w whiners and ruin the Datamined Psyjic Skilline, like wardens

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

This has the possibility of being much more P2W than warden is.

If we're gonna lock

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

If its for everyone. Sure. If not. Don't allow it before you get "Hey guys, here is a new gear slot you can get just for buying the DLC isn't it great?" Not imbalanced at all.

I am very suprised people can't draw the very visible line between pay to play vs microtransactions.

If Its gonna be locked behind a paywall, it is a clear pay to win scenario, just like warden, but warden is at least a class on its own, so a new skill line sounds dangerous. Especially if they're gonna lock it up behind a 40 bucks pay wall.

hows a skilline more p2w than warden when any class can pick up the skilline and utilize it? In fact id say its more convenient than rerolling into a new class that has the potential to be fotm and you end up losing all your achievements and such

I am very glad you asked.

Because by picking warden you pick a class, you sacrifice what others have in the process. Warden might be FOTM in PvP today, but they are already getting their nerfs and without sub assault and a few overtuned skills, *cough Shimmering Shield *cough warden is just an ordinary class. They don't have Dk leap or battle roar, they don't have cloak, they don't have negate, streak etc... warden is an unique new class. And I'm pretty sure nobody would salt about warden being OP , if zos didn't nerf stamDK and stamplar to make stamden feel ''unique''.

Its ZOS trying to force people into buying their ***, Its not wardens fault, Its ZOS's fault.

Anyways, back to my original point, a new skill line with new skills, new passives and etc will be possible to combine with ALL classes, you can have it on ANY class, without losing any power for it, and when you lock free power behind a pay wall, it becomes a microtransaction. The people who don't pay for it are unable to use it , which means they lack that power.

This is possibly much worse than what EA did with battlefront II, but Im pretty sure zos will get away with it because honestly nobody gives a damn about yet another unpopular MMO.

Azurya · February 2018

finally hyped!

Feanor · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

"We get you just want another overpowered toy though." Far from it, I want them to be buffed so that they can be more competitive in trials, and everything is viable pretty much outside a competitive environment

Beardimus · February 2018

Unsure what this threads about.

So an icon has been mined, and you assume there may be a class or skill line coming that you assume is going to be epic and OP but you assume people will whine about it being P2W and assume ZOS will listen and Nerf it thus assume by getting in as early as possible you assume you can stop these people moaning by telling them not too and assume that's enough to keep the Psijic introduction as awesome as you want it to be....

I'm assuming thats the jist?

Aliyavana · February 2018

Beardimus wrote: »

Unsure what this threads about.

So an icon has been mined, and you assume there may be a class or skill line coming that you assume is going to be epic and OP but you assume people will whine about it being P2W and assume ZOS will listen and Nerf it thus assume by getting in as early as possible you assume you can stop these people moaning by telling them not too and assume that's enough to keep the Psijic introduction as awesome as you want it to be....

I'm assuming thats the jist?

They will cry p2w like they did with the warden however

Feanor · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

"We get you just want another overpowered toy though." Far from it, I want them to be buffed so that they can be more competitive in trials, and everything is viable pretty much outside a competitive environment

Yes and that’s the point. You argue with numbers. But the 10% PvPers are somehow worth less than your 1% endgame raiders. Because that is what your argument boils down too. Besides, you can pull close to 50k on a Warden. Gotta be an exceptional player with the best gear though.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

"We get you just want another overpowered toy though." Far from it, I want them to be buffed so that they can be more competitive in trials, and everything is viable pretty much outside a competitive environment

Yes and that’s the point. You argue with numbers. But the 10% PvPers are somehow worth less than your 1% endgame raiders. Because that is what your argument boils down too. Besides, you can pull close to 50k on a Warden. Gotta be an exceptional player with the best gear though.

I apologize if I sounded rude when I said 10 percent of pvp players, but id love it if zos could buff it for pve without it affecting pvp but sadly zos refuses to separate balance.

Feanor · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

"We get you just want another overpowered toy though." Far from it, I want them to be buffed so that they can be more competitive in trials, and everything is viable pretty much outside a competitive environment

Yes and that’s the point. You argue with numbers. But the 10% PvPers are somehow worth less than your 1% endgame raiders. Because that is what your argument boils down too. Besides, you can pull close to 50k on a Warden. Gotta be an exceptional player with the best gear though.

I apologize if I sounded rude when I said 10 percent of pvp players, but id love it if zos could buff it for pve without it affecting pvp but sadly zos refuses to separate balance.

Has the thought ever occurred to you that Warden was never meant for the endgame PvE DD role? The class trees only offer a total of 3 damage skills (birds, shalks, flies). Three!

Yes, ZOS has said the PvE DPS isn’t up to endgame par and has tried to increase the damage with changing a passive. I don’t think though that they themselves see Wardens as DDs. There are ways to buff PvE DPS that don’t effect PvP, mainly if you consider dots and the whole frost damage thing.

Beardimus · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Unsure what this threads about.

So an icon has been mined, and you assume there may be a class or skill line coming that you assume is going to be epic and OP but you assume people will whine about it being P2W and assume ZOS will listen and Nerf it thus assume by getting in as early as possible you assume you can stop these people moaning by telling them not too and assume that's enough to keep the Psijic introduction as awesome as you want it to be....

I'm assuming thats the jist?

They will cry p2w like they did with the warden however

So what if they do? How do you know ZOS adjusted Warden for balance rather than whine reactions?

What if because people are paying for it they cry Buff, that ok then?

Sorry it just sounds a bit tin hat and too much assuming. What if its just pants from the off?

Too many variables, and my main point is a thread to tell people what to do won't actually do anything sadly. If people think its P2W they will say.

SilverIce58 · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

"We get you just want another overpowered toy though." Far from it, I want them to be buffed so that they can be more competitive in trials, and everything is viable pretty much outside a competitive environment

Yes and that’s the point. You argue with numbers. But the 10% PvPers are somehow worth less than your 1% endgame raiders. Because that is what your argument boils down too. Besides, you can pull close to 50k on a Warden. Gotta be an exceptional player with the best gear though.

I apologize if I sounded rude when I said 10 percent of pvp players, but id love it if zos could buff it for pve without it affecting pvp but sadly zos refuses to separate balance.

Has the thought ever occurred to you that Warden was never meant for the endgame PvE DD role? The class trees only offer a total of 3 damage skills (birds, shalks, flies). Three!

Yes, ZOS has said the PvE DPS isn’t up to endgame par and has tried to increase the damage with changing a passive. I don’t think though that they themselves see Wardens as DDs. There are ways to buff PvE DPS that don’t effect PvP, mainly if you consider dots and the whole frost damage thing.

If they really wanted to give Warden more damage, make corrupting pollen an AoE poison skill, and give us another frost damage skill. Preferably something that does direct damage, but it's flexible.

Silver_Strider · February 2018

Knowing ZOS, I expect the Psijic Order Skill Line to offer little more than some much needed QoL skills for classes to fulfill other roles more effectively.

A small burst heal
An AoE root
Some Magic to Stamina conversion skill
A chain pull.

Of course, these predictions are all just my theories based on little to no evidence but considering that ZOS wanted to try and make each class follow the system Warden has, with a DPS/Healer/Tank skill line and that ZOS hasn't been able to balance each class to perform these roles with their current skill lines, the next "best" (more like stupid) thing is to introduce a skill line that essentially nullifies the differences between classes.

zaria · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

This has the possibility of being much more P2W than warden is.

If we're gonna lock

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

If its for everyone. Sure. If not. Don't allow it before you get "Hey guys, here is a new gear slot you can get just for buying the DLC isn't it great?" Not imbalanced at all.

I am very suprised people can't draw the very visible line between pay to play vs microtransactions.

If Its gonna be locked behind a paywall, it is a clear pay to win scenario, just like warden, but warden is at least a class on its own, so a new skill line sounds dangerous. Especially if they're gonna lock it up behind a 40 bucks pay wall.

hows a skilline more p2w than warden when any class can pick up the skilline and utilize it? In fact id say its more convenient than rerolling into a new class that has the potential to be fotm and you end up losing all your achievements and such

I am very glad you asked.

Because by picking warden you pick a class, you sacrifice what others have in the process. Warden might be FOTM in PvP today, but they are already getting their nerfs and without sub assault and a few overtuned skills, *cough Shimmering Shield *cough warden is just an ordinary class. They don't have Dk leap or battle roar, they don't have cloak, they don't have negate, streak etc... warden is an unique new class. And I'm pretty sure nobody would salt about warden being OP , if zos didn't nerf stamDK and stamplar to make stamden feel ''unique''.

Its ZOS trying to force people into buying their ***, Its not wardens fault, Its ZOS's fault.

Anyways, back to my original point, a new skill line with new skills, new passives and etc will be possible to combine with ALL classes, you can have it on ANY class, without losing any power for it, and when you lock free power behind a pay wall, it becomes a microtransaction. The people who don't pay for it are unable to use it , which means they lack that power.

This is possibly much worse than what EA did with battlefront II, but Im pretty sure zos will get away with it because honestly nobody gives a damn about yet another unpopular MMO.

No its nothing like battlefront 2, its an seriously toned down version of that Blizzard did with the burning crusade over 10 years ago in an subscription game. They moved all end game to an new zone who you needed the expansion to enter.
You could not touch players with the new level cap and gear and they could pretty much one shoot you.
This is pretty standard for most MMO,

This at most will be something like vMA weapons.
I think they rater will add skills who fill in gaps, they talked on making all classes more capable or healing an tanking and adding an new skill line would be better than trying to change lots of class skills.

zaria · February 2018

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Knowing ZOS, I expect the Psijic Order Skill Line to offer little more than some much needed QoL skills for classes to fulfill other roles more effectively.

A small burst heal
An AoE root
Some Magic to Stamina conversion skill
A chain pull.

Of course, these predictions are all just my theories based on little to no evidence but considering that ZOS wanted to try and make each class follow the system Warden has, with a DPS/Healer/Tank skill line and that ZOS hasn't been able to balance each class to perform these roles with their current skill lines, the next "best" (more like stupid) thing is to introduce a skill line that essentially nullifies the differences between classes.

This makes sense, filling out gaps in class skills, now the pull will not be as good as the DK chain pull, heal will be worse than BoL and so on but it gives more options.

Aliyavana · February 2018

zaria wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Knowing ZOS, I expect the Psijic Order Skill Line to offer little more than some much needed QoL skills for classes to fulfill other roles more effectively.

A small burst heal
An AoE root
Some Magic to Stamina conversion skill
A chain pull.

Of course, these predictions are all just my theories based on little to no evidence but considering that ZOS wanted to try and make each class follow the system Warden has, with a DPS/Healer/Tank skill line and that ZOS hasn't been able to balance each class to perform these roles with their current skill lines, the next "best" (more like stupid) thing is to introduce a skill line that essentially nullifies the differences between classes.

This makes sense, filling out gaps in class skills, now the pull will not be as good as the DK chain pull, heal will be worse than BoL and so on but it gives more options.

I'd love it if we were given weaker version of tools like that

Dymence · February 2018

The game has already been 'P2W' for a long time.

You argue that P2W would be purchasing vMA weapons from the crown store. But vMA weapons are already locked behind a paywall. You either sub or buy the DLC.

A lot of top tier gear is locked behind DLCs, with no other way of obtaining them than purchasing said DLC.

It will be no different if they decide to lock this skill line behind the new chapter.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Dymence wrote: »

The game has already been 'P2W' for a long time.

You argue that P2W would be purchasing vMA weapons from the crown store. But vMA weapons are already locked behind a paywall. You either sub or buy the DLC.

A lot of top tier gear is locked behind DLCs, with no other way of obtaining them than purchasing said DLC.

It will be no different if they decide to lock this skill line behind the new chapter.

Wow and ff lock classes races and new gear behind paywalls yet no one complains that they are p2w and are also mmos

BlanketFort · February 2018

I’ve never had a problem forking out the cash for something I want and can afford. I don’t see this as p2w at all.

Dymence · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

The game has already been 'P2W' for a long time.

You argue that P2W would be purchasing vMA weapons from the crown store. But vMA weapons are already locked behind a paywall. You either sub or buy the DLC.

A lot of top tier gear is locked behind DLCs, with no other way of obtaining them than purchasing said DLC.

It will be no different if they decide to lock this skill line behind the new chapter.

Wow and ff lock classes races and new gear behind paywalls yet no one complains that they are p2w and are also mmos

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the game being P2W. Most veteran players including myself are happy to see new content to have a crack at, everything else that comes with it is simply a bonus.

But if OP is arguing that adding a Psijic Order guild skill line limited only to people who have bought the new chapter is P2W, then all I can say is that we've been on that road for a long time.

Aliyavana · February 2018

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Dark_Lord_Kuro · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

I find these arguments so amusing. Wardens take seldom part in a competitive endgame Trials. That’s true. They are perfectly viable in any other setting though with being very strong in PvP.

Being strong in PvP doesn’t somehow count as much as being bad in competetive PvE raids. Even if the 10% PvP were true (it’s not, and only ZOS could say how much PvE/PvP players the game has) I’m very sure there is still more players in PvP than in competitive PvE raiding.

So no, Wardens are far from ruined. We get you just want another overpowered toy though.

"We get you just want another overpowered toy though." Far from it, I want them to be buffed so that they can be more competitive in trials, and everything is viable pretty much outside a competitive environment

Yes and that’s the point. You argue with numbers. But the 10% PvPers are somehow worth less than your 1% endgame raiders. Because that is what your argument boils down too. Besides, you can pull close to 50k on a Warden. Gotta be an exceptional player with the best gear though.

I apologize if I sounded rude when I said 10 percent of pvp players, but id love it if zos could buff it for pve without it affecting pvp but sadly zos refuses to separate balance.

Has the thought ever occurred to you that Warden was never meant for the endgame PvE DD role? The class trees only offer a total of 3 damage skills (birds, shalks, flies). Three!

Yes, ZOS has said the PvE DPS isn’t up to endgame par and has tried to increase the damage with changing a passive. I don’t think though that they themselves see Wardens as DDs. There are ways to buff PvE DPS that don’t effect PvP, mainly if you consider dots and the whole frost damage thing.

Make it 4 theres an aoe in the ice skill line
Yes i know it scale from heath but it as a morph that scale from max magika and spell power

jaws343 · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

This has the possibility of being much more P2W than warden is.

If we're gonna lock

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

If its for everyone. Sure. If not. Don't allow it before you get "Hey guys, here is a new gear slot you can get just for buying the DLC isn't it great?" Not imbalanced at all.

I am very suprised people can't draw the very visible line between pay to play vs microtransactions.

If Its gonna be locked behind a paywall, it is a clear pay to win scenario, just like warden, but warden is at least a class on its own, so a new skill line sounds dangerous. Especially if they're gonna lock it up behind a 40 bucks pay wall.

hows a skilline more p2w than warden when any class can pick up the skilline and utilize it? In fact id say its more convenient than rerolling into a new class that has the potential to be fotm and you end up losing all your achievements and such

I am very glad you asked.

Because by picking warden you pick a class, you sacrifice what others have in the process. Warden might be FOTM in PvP today, but they are already getting their nerfs and without sub assault and a few overtuned skills, *cough Shimmering Shield *cough warden is just an ordinary class. They don't have Dk leap or battle roar, they don't have cloak, they don't have negate, streak etc... warden is an unique new class. And I'm pretty sure nobody would salt about warden being OP , if zos didn't nerf stamDK and stamplar to make stamden feel ''unique''.

Its ZOS trying to force people into buying their ***, Its not wardens fault, Its ZOS's fault.

Anyways, back to my original point, a new skill line with new skills, new passives and etc will be possible to combine with ALL classes, you can have it on ANY class, without losing any power for it, and when you lock free power behind a pay wall, it becomes a microtransaction. The people who don't pay for it are unable to use it , which means they lack that power.

This is possibly much worse than what EA did with battlefront II, but Im pretty sure zos will get away with it because honestly nobody gives a damn about yet another unpopular MMO.

But this game already has skill lines locked behind DLCs. The Thieves guild and Dark Brotherhood skill lines can only be obtained if you paid for a subscription or the DLCs. And those skill lines do add sneak passives that assist in PVP. And, as others have mentioned, gear and currency locked behind dlcs. It is pretty unreasonable to expect this game not to grow because you do not want to pay for a dlc or an expansion.

And if these are potentially slottable skills like the Mages guild and Fighters guild, you do have to lose skills on your current bar to slot them. So yes, you are giving up some of your power to use them.

Aliyavana · March 2018

please don't listen to them

QuebraRegra · March 2018

no new class? can I have a goblin race instead then?

Jade1986 · March 2018

I agree with this. Seriously, Wardens abilities have been super neutered because of people that whined.

EpicRekkoning · March 2018

I've been reading all the posts about p2w and I think most of you that are making this claim are forgetting one important thing, eso is not a game, it's a business.

Here's the thing, if ZOS can't continue to bring in money, they can't afford to pay developers to continue to advance the game. Expansions, subscriptions, crown store items, etc. are great for the game because it keeps the game moving and prevents it from stalling out. I understand that not everyone can afford expansions or subscriptions, but it's those expansions and subscriptions that give us the free content and bug fixes here and there.

ZOS has to offer new and better things for people to purchase expansions or subscribe. Yeah, it might give those people some advantages, but if it didn't, would people spend the extra money? I understand some of you might be upset about this, but you have to realize that this keeps your game moving and content coming. Without it, you would have a dead game and you would be looking to spend money on another game because you're bored of the same old thing.

If you like what the expansion has to offer, buy it. If not, be grateful that people are our purchasing it and helping keep your game going.

KingYogi415 · March 2018

Pay to play does not equal pay to win.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · March 2018

@ascan7 I wanted Blade of Woe that works on unaware players...oh the fun in cyrodill would had been something...and the reason to use "Sithis Touch" set would have been possible!

MLGProPlayer · March 2018

Still awaiting warden buffs one year on. Class was released as a complete joke (and still is).