Dont listen to the p2w whiners and ruin the Datamined Psyjic Skilline, like wardens

Aliyavana

http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2018/02/17/eso-update-17-data-mining-3




Guild icons:
"From the left, the Fighters Guild, Mages Guild, Undaunted, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, and finally, the Psijic Order."

It is likely to be a skill line available to all classes, like undaunted, mages and fighters guild, rather than a new class

UESP recently datamined a new psijiic skilline and it is set to include new abilities such as healing among other things... and these seem to be abilities rather than passives but the problem with this is that there will come in droves of p2w whiners who will ruin the skilline like the warden was. The warden, the class that was said to be op and many threads were opened up crying p2w among other things but when released it was a good tank and a good healer but outclassed by dragon knights and Templars in tanking and healing. and don't get me started on dps where its medicore... BUT mah pvp, wardens are op in mah pvp... and so because of that reason wardens cannot receive buffs for pve or it will be op in pve... Tldr, wardens are ok but not the best in pve but are op in pvp, needs tweaking. worst mag dps etc

Now keep in mind this is a MMORPG, many of us pc players have already played mmos and understand that expansions will bring new abilities and tools to use and if you want to use that tools you need to upgrade the game into the current expansion but atleast unlike wow and other mmos, a player isn't completely screwed and can play other parts of the game just fine.

Now if it comes in an expansion its not p2w its fair because everyone has access to it along with the vast amount of content it contains

What P2W means = putting vma weapons into the crown store and gear that requires skill to unlock or putting weapons better than whats is obtainable ingame... anything that gives you an edge over whats not obtainable ingame

Convenience = crown potions and exp scrolls, research scrolls are not p2w for example and only shorten the amount of time required, plus you can craft the same items in game and usually even better





Now I know there will be atleast one of you out there that will say this: "ItS ToO EaRlY To SaY Op, ThE BeTaS NoT EveN OuT YeT!" yes but from experience with the amount of stuff that still went through from morrowind's beta as bugs that are now features, cough the morrowind missing skillpoint, the morrowind locked doors, red mountain not even appearing in Amaya lake lodge and ald velothi 1 year later (but was fixed asap for the crown store house Tel Galen) ... etc... Its safe to say that feedback as EARLY as possible is neccesary

Aliyavana

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Cadbury

Omg psijic class when??

Sixty5

Does the Psyjic Skill line come with a superiority complex?

Because if so it will be amazing.

Aliyavana

Cadbury wrote: »

Omg psijic class when??

Its not likely a class but likely a skilline because warden hasnt even been properly balanced but its next chapter, but if if the nerf p2w crowd gets their way the legendary psijic order the most powerful mages on nirn will be reduced to a skilline that is underwhelming

Loralai_907

As exciting as this is, they think we will finally find Darien!

Ch4mpTW

Cadbury

I'm now wondering if this and the much-anticipated Spellcrafting system are somehow related.Or maybe a tie-in.

Morgul667

Psijic class or even better new skill lines for everybody like mage skill line

casparian

If they once again make a new class which is far and away the top dog in small scale PVP for the next 8+ months, it will indeed be P2W. But we don't have anything close to enough information right now to know whether that will happen.

Apache_Kid

I feel like I'm in a bizarro world

Androconium

Hello,

OP has stated that this is NOT a new class:

It is likely to be a skill line available to all classes, like undaunted, mages and fighters guild, rather than a new class

casparian wrote: »

If they once again make a new class which is far and away the top dog in small scale PVP for the next 8+ months, it will indeed be P2W. But we don't have anything close to enough information right now to know whether that will happen.

Are saying that the introduction of any new class will be a chargeable item?
Therefore, like the last one, it will part of a Chapter?

ArchMikem

Interesting actually.

I was going to buy the DLC regardless cause I like having it owned since ESO Plus is a monthly thing and anything can happen that takes that away from you. I don't like the idea of losing DLC access as well.

Glurin

Aliyavana wrote: »

It is likely to be a skill line available to all classes, like undaunted, mages and fighters guild, rather than a new class

Good. I know it seems to be the popular thing to demand a new class with every DLC and expansion, but personally I think skill lines available to all classes are a much better way to go.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Glurin wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

It is likely to be a skill line available to all classes, like undaunted, mages and fighters guild, rather than a new class

Good. I know it seems to be the popular thing to demand a new class with every DLC and expansion, but personally I think skill lines available to all classes are a much better way to go.

Agreed. Although I hope they also come up with a new weapon skill line. I am so tired of a staff.

Doctordarkspawn

Yes.

For as much as I dislike the chapter model, dont ruin the damn thing because people complain about DLC.

Aliyavana

Glurin wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

It is likely to be a skill line available to all classes, like undaunted, mages and fighters guild, rather than a new class

Good. I know it seems to be the popular thing to demand a new class with every DLC and expansion, but personally I think skill lines available to all classes are a much better way to go.

agreed, itd be easier to balance a skilline than a single class

Jura23

With the number of guilds increasing, I think they should consider limiting number of guilds each char can be member of. From RP point of view, being in 6 guilds is nonsense.

Jura23

Aliyavana wrote: »

Now keep in mind this is a MMORPG, many of us pc players have already played mmos and understand that expansions will bring new abilities and tools to use and if you want to use that tools you need to upgrade the game into the current expansion but atleast unlike wow and other mmos, a player isn't completely screwed and can play other parts of the game just fine.

Now if it comes in an expansion its not p2w its fair because everyone has access to it along with the vast amount of content it contains

The "problem" here is that ESO wasn't F2P game (actually IDK if it is now or not) from the beginning. Lots of ppl payed for the game, so they cannot screw them the way that they put something into expansions that will put these ppl into disadvantage.

Aliyavana

Jura23 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Now keep in mind this is a MMORPG, many of us pc players have already played mmos and understand that expansions will bring new abilities and tools to use and if you want to use that tools you need to upgrade the game into the current expansion but atleast unlike wow and other mmos, a player isn't completely screwed and can play other parts of the game just fine.

Now if it comes in an expansion its not p2w its fair because everyone has access to it along with the vast amount of content it contains

The "problem" here is that ESO wasn't F2P game (actually IDK if it is now or not) from the beginning. Lots of ppl payed for the game, so they cannot screw them the way that they put something into expansions that will put these ppl into disadvantage.

wow and ff are subscription based models and have content that is locked behind a expansion paywall like classes and races but they get praised, anyone familiar with mmos will know this isn't a irregularity. ESO is b2p and isn't subscription required so buying a chapter isn't too cash consuming compared to something like ff or wow where you have to buy an expansion and have to be subscribed at the same time in order to play at all

temjiu

I agree OP. I personally find the p2w arguments silly. I'm part of an earlier gaming crowd that realizes that games aren't free, and far too often the p2w argument is silly. It's an argument between players who understand that gaming companies need to put food on the table, and a crowd who thinks they're entitled to the world simply because they breathe.

If they put that stuff in a DLC, i'll fork over the cash. And the Whiners can whine, won't change a thing. As long as the cost is reasonable of course. I'm into paying, but only based on competitive market prices. I'm a realist, not a sucker.

ak_pvp

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

If its for everyone. Sure. If not. Don't allow it before you get "Hey guys, here is a new gear slot you can get just for buying the DLC isn't it great?" Not imbalanced at all.

Aliyavana

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

with a skilline, it will actually see a chance of being used instead of being on the backburner. the beta forums will be there for feedback in order to prevent such a thing from happening however

KingYogi415

It better not have any Passives needed by pvp players.

Grinding undaunted is bad enough.,.

Alaztor91

Pardon me for my lack of lore knowledge, but what differences would a psyjic skill line have compared to the already existing mages guild skill line?

Also if the chapter would have a new class related to the Psyjic Order or something else, what 3 skill lines could it have?

ak_pvp

Aliyavana wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

with a skilline, it will actually see a chance of being used instead of being on the backburner. the beta forums will be there for feedback in order to prevent such a thing from happening however

Yes. A skill line seems like a decent idea balance wise vs a class. But it still means that it offers something more to players that classes don't.

If its an upgrade to base game. Sure. Skills in base game are lacking. If its a skill line that benefits utility bar trials, sure. Such as time stop freezing mobs, effectively granting PvE invisiblity, or the healing meaning it fixes your gear or something. Sure. If it gives any advantage to existing characters than cannot be replaced. I.e. giving a sorc some cloak like ability. Or an NB a BoL heal then we have some problems.

If they want to balance it they have to make it either weak or base game. (I will buy the expac anyway) Else it would be giving a distinct, non replaceable advantage.

Aliyavana

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Pardon me for my lack of lore knowledge, but what differences would a psyjic skill line have compared to the already existing mages guild skill line?

Also if the chapter would have a new class related to the Psyjic Order or something else, what 3 skill lines could it have?

psijics are said to manipulate natural forces aside from magika, such as stopping time and other powers, think an op af mage that has accessed a higher power. Psijiics are powerful mages and some notable members are sotha sil who was an instructer, and davayth fyr whom is a op af mage

MarrazzMist

I would absolutely love, if this makes a good healer without Spell Power Cure, which I am too tired to farm

monktoasty

Nerf it now before it's too lateeeeee

Aliyavana

monktoasty wrote: »

Nerf it now before it's too lateeeeee

how about we nerf you

SydneyGrey

monktoasty wrote: »

Nerf it now before it's too lateeeeee

This is officially the very first "Nerf Psijics" post. LOL!