Dont listen to the p2w whiners and ruin the Datamined Psyjic Skilline, like wardens

Chaos2088 · February 2018

This is a MMO elder scrolls style, new classes will be a thing....but by going what has been datamined in my view it will be a guild and skill line, as it (again in my view) clearly shows it as such.

New classes are cool, but I do not think a Psyjic priest would be strong enough to stand as a class of its own (I am happy to eat my words if it is)

New guilds to join with active and passive skill lines are also cool.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · February 2018

Hopefully it will actually be true new stuff. Not just stripping away abilities/buffs/debuffs from the already existing classes/skill lines.

ak_pvp · February 2018

Feric51 wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

Now keep in mind this is a MMORPG, many of us pc players have already played mmos and understand that expansions will bring new abilities and tools to use

Yeah well many of us bought this game on release, with the promise that it will be a sub model with "no pay gates at all" yet here we are with P2W craft bag, P2W game changing classes and P2W become a master crafter in a few days....

If you were happy with the sub model you had to begin with, guess what? There’s still a sub model out there (ESO+) that essentially fulfills their original promise.

This obviously does not include the chapter expansions, but what other mmo does not follow the same expansion format?

I hate to be that jerk that says this, but for each of you that complain because you feel it’s somehow p2w, there’s ten of us that understand Economics 101 and realize that if you want a new or upgraded product, you’re going to have to pay for it.

Yeah, that economics 101 worked really well for battlefront 2. New stuff, great. New stuff that makes old stuff obsolete or lesser. Not great. I am all for new content, sets, and the like, as long as they can be replaced with equivalent options without paying extra. I am all for all the cosmetics, houses, furnishing, outfits, utility etc that aren't necessary.

But things closer to P2W hurt games. Maybe they do better short term, where the whales feed the company cash. But longer term it hurts, as joining the game then means that they have to grind and pay a tone to be viable, and the amount of necessary things goes up and up.

zaria · February 2018

leothedino wrote: »

As much as I hate to say this (and after years of grinding for gear), in order to silence the pathetic P2W whining, they need to up the CP/item level on gear. Because then this new chapter will be like any of the others MMOs and their expansions, and simply 'the next step'. If you want to compete, buy it and upgrade.

The majority of MMO's out there do this, they sell expansions that raise the level, honestly, ESO is the exception. Other games release an expansion and you either buy it or fail to gain the new level/gear needed to compete at end game. The issue ZoS have is that they replied/voiced sympathy to the community on increased character and item level. Because of this, frankly, we now all feel self-entitled to stay top dogs with our gear, class and skills without progressing anymore.

This, in WOW who is an subscription game you can not touch the endgame as in non leveling dungeons, raids or pvp.
Yes you have the old content but all have moved on. and its far worse than getting stuck at VR14 while the other are VR16, as wow has an far sharper power scaling than the low one in ESO back before 1tamriel.
Others do double damage than you and take half as much.

In short you have no idea how lucky you are, you have some bis gear from DLC, vMA weapons, spell power cure, Asylum weapons and some other trial sets but they are not that much better.

No the skill line will probably not be OP, at least I hope its more to compensate for holes in skill setups.
Say an emergency heal, worse than BoL but relevant for many builds.

Emmagoldman · February 2018

Is this where i mention nerf sorcs?

xeNNNNN · February 2018

If this is true, this very much hints at summer set being the next chapter. So looking forward to this.

SydneyGrey · February 2018

Emmagoldman wrote: »

Is this where i mention nerf sorcs?

We're going to have to switch that to "nerf psijics" now.

Neeno · February 2018

wasn't Psijic Order was a fan base idea of creating new skills like mixing some stats or skills and it will come up with a new skill ?!!

Source : http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2018/01/28/eso-update-17-data-mining-part-2

scroll down to spell crafting

SilverIce58 · February 2018

Neeno wrote: »

wasn't Psijic Order was a fan base idea of creating new skills like mixing some stats or skills and it will come up with a new skill ?!!

Creating new skills/spells is spellcrafting. The Psijic Order is a group of (mostly) altmer who practice magic from the old ways (mysticism and such), and live on a realm that comes in and out of the dimension tamriel is on.

LordSemaj · February 2018

Nerf psychics psijics!! They can read your mind stop time man! And like aren't they supposed to be telekinetic legendary? Pretty soon we'll have Cyrodiil full of them, all waging mental natural havoc on each other!

SilverIce58 · February 2018

Neeno wrote: »

wasn't Psijic Order was a fan base idea of creating new skills like mixing some stats or skills and it will come up with a new skill ?!!

Source : http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2018/01/28/eso-update-17-data-mining-part-2

scroll down to spell crafting

It doesn't say anything about the Psijic Order under spellcrafting.

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2018

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

Davor · February 2018

I appreciate what the people are doing to find this. My question is how? By that I don't understand how they can find it. Where are they looking? Is Zenimax actually putting out content early but hidden? If so why? Why have things in a game that is not going to be out for a year or so?

SilverIce58 · February 2018

Davor wrote: »

I appreciate what the people are doing to find this. My question is how? By that I don't understand how they can find it. Where are they looking? Is Zenimax actually putting out content early but hidden? If so why? Why have things in a game that is not going to be out for a year or so?

I've always wondered how people datamine too actually. Is there a program for it?

DoctorESO · February 2018

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

I appreciate what the people are doing to find this. My question is how? By that I don't understand how they can find it. Where are they looking? Is Zenimax actually putting out content early but hidden? If so why? Why have things in a game that is not going to be out for a year or so?

I've always wondered how people datamine too actually. Is there a program for it?

Yes, there are programs that view data files and look for readable information, such as images.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

Doctordarkspawn · February 2018

red_emu wrote: »

I really really hope that it's not going to be introduced as a skill line accessible to just anyone. I mean, I get that it's immersion breaking already having a dragonknight cast mages guild spells etc but Psijics are meant to be something rare. It would make no sense for all the inhabitants of Tamriel to suddenly have the powers of the Psijic order! I personally think it makes more sense to have a new class based around it instead. I'm by no means an RP player, but immersion is something big in this game. Please don't break it!

Yes, we should throw potential balance out the window for your immersion.

We allready have Warden, one of the worst balancing nightmares in this games recent history. We do not need more. Independant skill line it is, and it looks like it's much more support focus'd, so you shouldn't have any immersion issues.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2018

I'd rather have necromancer

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

Because they arent min-maxers? Because a lot of people arent that hung up on which class is the flavor of the month top notch dps?

Im in numerous guilds that take newbies through both normal and vet dungeons and trials regardless of race and class. Never do I hear complaints about dps from anyone experienced or leading the run. The only thing I hear is questions coming from inexperienced players themselves with a plethora of knowledge being dropped on them without it being toxic and nasty.

The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

Because they arent min-maxers? Because a lot of people arent that hung up on which class is the flavor of the month top notch dps?

Im in numerous guilds that take newbies through both normal and vet dungeons and trials regardless of race and class. Never do I hear complaints about dps from anyone experienced or leading the run. The only thing I hear is questions coming from inexperienced players themselves with a plethora of knowledge being dropped on them without it being toxic and nasty.

The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact.

"The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact." Honestly, *** off. a class doesn't matter obviously when you are in a casual guild like you are describing but in a trials guild that is serious and is running more difficult content fotm is more important and being a fotm class Is more important as youd be more likely to be chosen for the run over the magika warden that can only pull 30k dps. Its ok if you run a rp archer bow build in your own group or any other build that is sub par as its simply a fun guild run but balancing for end game pve is an important aspect to the people that actually care about competing end game content consistently and in record runs. Balancing matters to end game perspective because it affects end game the most such as endgame pvp and pve, and the casual crowd can do casual content just fine with or without buffs to their classes, with or without bis gear, etc.

Tasear · February 2018

Necromancers :'(

Tasear · February 2018

MarrazzMist wrote: »

I would absolutely love, if this could makes a good healer without Spell Power Cure, which I am too tired to farm

O.o you haven't lived till you farmed for 5 healers

Korah_Eaglecry · February 2018

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

Because they arent min-maxers? Because a lot of people arent that hung up on which class is the flavor of the month top notch dps?

Im in numerous guilds that take newbies through both normal and vet dungeons and trials regardless of race and class. Never do I hear complaints about dps from anyone experienced or leading the run. The only thing I hear is questions coming from inexperienced players themselves with a plethora of knowledge being dropped on them without it being toxic and nasty.

The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact.

"The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact." Honestly, *** off. a class doesn't matter obviously when you are in a casual guild like you are describing but in a trials guild that is serious and is running more difficult content fotm is more important and being a fotm class Is more important as youd be more likely to be chosen for the run over the magika warden that can only pull 30k dps. Its ok if you run a rp archer bow build in your own group or any other build that is sub par as its simply a fun guild run but balancing for end game pve is an important aspect to the people that actually care about competing end game content consistently and in record runs. Balancing matters to end game perspective because it affects end game the most such as endgame pvp and pve, and the casual crowd can do casual content just fine with or without buffs to their classes, with or without bis gear, etc.

Excuse me? If you dont like to be called out for your elitist nonsense dont post on these forums. The vast majority of players in this game are not min-maxers. Dont try to be. Youre free to think and hold the opinion that Wardens were "ruined" but when you come on here and make such claims. Dont be so sensitive when someone tells you youre full of it.

You claimed Wardens were ruined. I called you on it. Dont pretend as if Im saying balancing isnt important because Im not.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wardens werent ruined. Just because you and many others didnt take the time to learn about the class and how to best take advantage of its assets doesnt make it ruined.

wardens are bottom of the barrel in pve dps atleast magika and Templars and dragonknights are still preferred in trials over them... pvp they do work however but pvp is 10 percent of the game yet they cant be buffed for pve or pvpers will whine

Being bottom of the barrel to min-maxers does not make the class ruined. And the class has only existed in the game for 3 updates. With uncountable updates ahead of us. Nightblades at launch were ruined.

if you are completely at the bottom in the barrel in pve, why would they take your class over another one for trials? Dps wise...

Because they arent min-maxers? Because a lot of people arent that hung up on which class is the flavor of the month top notch dps?

Im in numerous guilds that take newbies through both normal and vet dungeons and trials regardless of race and class. Never do I hear complaints about dps from anyone experienced or leading the run. The only thing I hear is questions coming from inexperienced players themselves with a plethora of knowledge being dropped on them without it being toxic and nasty.

The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact.

"The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact." Honestly, *** off. a class doesn't matter obviously when you are in a casual guild like you are describing but in a trials guild that is serious and is running more difficult content fotm is more important and being a fotm class Is more important as youd be more likely to be chosen for the run over the magika warden that can only pull 30k dps. Its ok if you run a rp archer bow build in your own group or any other build that is sub par as its simply a fun guild run but balancing for end game pve is an important aspect to the people that actually care about competing end game content consistently and in record runs. Balancing matters to end game perspective because it affects end game the most such as endgame pvp and pve, and the casual crowd can do casual content just fine with or without buffs to their classes, with or without bis gear, etc.

Excuse me? If you dont like to be called out for your elitist nonsense dont post on these forums. The vast majority of players in this game are not min-maxers. Dont try to be. Youre free to think and hold the opinion that Wardens were "ruined" but when you come on here and make such claims. Dont be so sensitive when someone tells you youre full of it.

You claimed Wardens were ruined. I called you on it. Dont pretend as if Im saying balancing isnt important because Im not.

"Dont be so sensitive when someone tells you youre full of it." yet the way you said "The only place I ever see this sort of stupidity is in threads like this. Where players think their personal, and unwanted opinions are as good as fact."

The above wording makes it unlikely that ill take anything from you.

"The vast majority of players in this game are not min-maxers. Dont try to be. Youre free to think and hold the opinion that Wardens were "ruined""

The vast majority of players are free to play bow build argonians or 2h altmer tanks or nord ice staff dps and are able to complete the majority of content easily with endless hail and LA spam, but either way your stance is that wardens are fine but while they are fine they do not excel in anything except in pvp and are simply a jack of all trade with being arguably the second best healers and tanks in the game and can use some buffs.

DoctorESO · February 2018

@aliyavana
@Korah_Eaglecry

You are both right and very awesome.

Neeno · February 2018

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Neeno wrote: »

wasn't Psijic Order was a fan base idea of creating new skills like mixing some stats or skills and it will come up with a new skill ?!!

Source : http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2018/01/28/eso-update-17-data-mining-part-2

scroll down to spell crafting

It doesn't say anything about the Psijic Order under spellcrafting.

oh i guess i mixed up both then my apologies

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

This has the possibility of being much more P2W than warden is.

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

If its for everyone. Sure. If not. Don't allow it before you get "Hey guys, here is a new gear slot you can get just for buying the DLC isn't it great?" Not imbalanced at all.

Its really sad people don't realize this isn't like adding a new shiny virtual house to the crown store for ridicilous prices.
This is an actual skill line, affecting gameplay directly.

Role players and their ''Muh immersion'' shouldn't be a factor in balancing such a thing.

Is it more power to your character?

Is it locked behind a pay wall and will give you a clear advantage over the others who don't pay for it?

If the answer to both questions are yes, then it is pay to win, If not, then its not pay to win. Simple as that.

There is no Ifs or Buts about this, and if they do add pay to win elements to an already pay to play game with a monthly sub+ yearly chapters, I'll quit. most people will follow me aswell I'm pretty sure.

Aliyavana · February 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

This has the possibility of being much more P2W than warden is.

If we're gonna lock

ak_pvp wrote: »

NONONONONO.

The thing is with a class is that you then lose the strengths of other classes. But with a skill line, if its UP, you can leave it. If its OP, you can run it with your class skills.

This has much more chance of being P2W than say a race/class. Since it is a direct extra option.

If its for everyone. Sure. If not. Don't allow it before you get "Hey guys, here is a new gear slot you can get just for buying the DLC isn't it great?" Not imbalanced at all.

I am very suprised people can't draw the very visible line between pay to play vs microtransactions.

If Its gonna be locked behind a paywall, it is a clear pay to win scenario, just like warden, but warden is at least a class on its own, so a new skill line sounds dangerous. Especially if they're gonna lock it up behind a 40 bucks pay wall.

hows a skilline more p2w than warden when any class can pick up the skilline and utilize it? In fact id say its more convenient than rerolling into a new class that has the potential to be fotm and you end up losing all your achievements and such