The current CP requirement is CP 160. So what you want is for ZOS to raise the CP cap to 300.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There already is one.
Mind you the game has changed a lot but people were doing them when the cap was a lot lower...right after VR was removed and I think I was only in the 180-250 ranges .....is it that much harder now?

For WGT and ICP, no, those have actually gotten easier. However, all of the newer dungeons have upped the requirements for mechanics, DPS focusing on priority targets, and tanks managing certain enemies along with the boss. So in that sense, the demands vet DLC dungeons place on the individual roles and group cooperation have gotten harder.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There already is one.
Mind you the game has changed a lot but people were doing them when the cap was a lot lower...right after VR was removed and I think I was only in the 180-250 ranges .....is it that much harder now?

For WGT and ICP, no, those have actually gotten easier. However, all of the newer dungeons have upped the requirements for mechanics, DPS focusing on priority targets, and tanks managing certain enemies along with the boss. So in that sense, the demands vet DLC dungeons place on the individual roles and group cooperation have gotten harder.

Are you sure?

I’m sure that most haven’t upped the requirements, I just haven’t played the recent DLC on Xbox one but all except Mazzatun don’t require much more than knowledge.

Didn’t see the patch notes mention a raised requirement. Going to reread it

Clockwork City changed the requirements.

Normal dungeons unlock progressively, with II and DLC dungeons unlockong at level 45.

Veteran Dungeons unlock at level 50, with DLC, Fungal Grotto II and Crypt of Hearts II u,locking at CP 160.

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There already is one.
Mind you the game has changed a lot but people were doing them when the cap was a lot lower...right after VR was removed and I think I was only in the 180-250 ranges .....is it that much harder now?

For WGT and ICP, no, those have actually gotten easier. However, all of the newer dungeons have upped the requirements for mechanics, DPS focusing on priority targets, and tanks managing certain enemies along with the boss. So in that sense, the demands vet DLC dungeons place on the individual roles and group cooperation have gotten harder.

Are you sure?

I’m sure that most haven’t upped the requirements, I just haven’t played the recent DLC on Xbox one but all except Mazzatun don’t require much more than knowledge.

Didn’t see the patch notes mention a raised requirement. Going to reread it

Clockwork City changed the requirements.

Normal dungeons unlock progressively, with II and DLC dungeons unlockong at level 45.

Veteran Dungeons unlock at level 50, with DLC, Fungal Grotto II and Crypt of Hearts II u,locking at CP 160.

Ok so it’s still CP 160 then....
I get ppl want X level of CP but I thought you were saying the actual requirement changed with this update. Thanks for responding.

An easier fix is to by default have dlc dungeous disabled as part of the random activity list.
So the UI could be:

Random Vet
Randon Vet + DLC's (with a bit of a description/warning mentioning that these dungeons are significantly more difficult)
Specific Vet

What this would mean is everyone who ends up in a vet dlc dungeon would have had to specificly elect to have dlc's included in the random dungeon list. So there would be nobody imnediately leaving upon spawning in, and all the low levels would have been warned, so that if on first pull they spam snipe, you dont need to explain why you kicked them.

Niobium wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And why do ppl think CP determines if someone can do content ...(meaning those above 160 but not 701)

As a generalization only:

Those with higher CP, unless they've allocated them in a really stupid manner, will always passively do more dmg/healing/mitigation than someone with lower CP.

Assuming 2 people (of equal-ish skill) have never done the content before, the higher CP can fudge their way through it more easily due to the allocated CP and the passives the allocated CP unlocks.

And as I said.. it's a generalization only. I've seen some derptastic CP700+ and some amazing CP200.

I have just started doing Vet non-DLC content at CP 720. Other players would say rotations, skills etc matter. But CP, imo is the greatest game changer. I couldn’t even play dungeon normal mode effectively or solo WBs at CP 300. At CP 500, everything changed at least from my perspective. Due to better mitigation, damage. A high CP player is able to survive simple mistakes.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

SupremeRissole wrote: »

An easier fix is to by default have dlc dungeous disabled as part of the random activity list.
So the UI could be:

Random Vet
Randon Vet + DLC's (with a bit of a description/warning mentioning that these dungeons are significantly more difficult)
Specific Vet

What this would mean is everyone who ends up in a vet dlc dungeon would have had to specificly elect to have dlc's included in the random dungeon list. So there would be nobody imnediately leaving upon spawning in, and all the low levels would have been warned, so that if on first pull they spam snipe, you dont need to explain why you kicked them.

AFAIK you can decline invite to dungeon, you don't need to spawn in to leave iimediately.

If you leave that you can decline queuing as your role, you don't know which dungeon you have at that point. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I've never know which random dungeon I was heading into until the group forms and I get ported to the dungeon. So by the time I could think "Oh, I don't want that dungeon" I'm already on my way.

Yeah I don't que randoms, only specific, so I thought you can see which dungeon you entering with random option too.

Nvm, it's still pretty low to leave right away since they voluntarily pushed that button and knew dlc dungeons are included.

CP does not make a person good at their role.

PUG vet DLC dungeons ? At your own risk...

Hint : plenty of guilds recruiting around there.

(Sometimes I feel "socially lazy" myself and don't want to actually interact with guildies, so I understand that people sometimes prefer to go the lonely route - but those evenings, I just don't do vet DLC dungeons.)

The real problem is with random vet dungeons, since you can end up in a difficult one. Just say sorry and drop out.

Minimum 500 for DD, 300 for tanks and healers, would be great.

Yes that would screw the .01% of the community that’s good enough even though they’re below the new minimums. But the vast majority of the community would be greatfull.

For the record. A lot of that majority are people that queued for a random and got stuck in a vet dlc knowing full well they have no business being there. But they face 15 minutes in the punish corner if they leave.

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

As a rule of thumb from many hours of experience, I can say that getting matched with anyone under champion 500 for the Reach dungeons is a complete waste of time. They never know what they're doing, their dps is pitiful, and if they're the tank they will constantly lose aggro and die.

There NEEDS to be a minimum requirement of 500 CP for the Reach dungeons, and I would say 400 for Hist dungeons.

Dunno man. I've done vmol with a tank who was a cp 200something dro'ma-thra destroyer. I've also met cp 200something flawless conquerers. I'm not really sure if I can agree to your logic.

Perhaps removing vet dlc dungeons (on the vet ones) from the random que. Then for queing specific dungeons why not put a 1-3 difficulty rating on it for people to see.

So because you met literally one guy who can do the hardest content with 200 CP means the fact 99% of the rest of people that level have no hope of completing hist or reach dungeons is now irrelevant?

We're talking about QoL upgrades to Activity Finder here, this is not about the 0.0001% who can clear hard content at champion 200.

So because you've had bad groups that couldn't complete, you want 'QoL' uogrades that are catered to YOUR quality? Goes both ways.

If you want specific requirements, better to form a group yourself, either from guilds or zone chat with your specifications stated, rather than get ZoS to do it for you.

I'm against setting arbitrary restrictions based on a CP number. Instead, doing something like suggested above where you can select random vet dungeons or random vet dungeons + DLC ones, would be far better.

just don't use random finder and actually make friends this is a mmo after all, also aren't the dungeons supposed to be made for people with like 300 cp, it just sounds like a carry me thread or i don't want to work for it i just want it now thread tbh

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

playsforfun wrote: »

just don't use random finder and actually make friends this is a mmo after all, also aren't the dungeons supposed to be made for people with like 300 cp, it just sounds like a carry me thread or i don't want to work for it i just want it now thread tbh

If they are made for people wit 300+ cp.The random finder should not put those under 300 in those dungeons.

well they're definitely not made for 720 cp are they? most people can close their eyes and finish stuff I i suck at the game and i can still do it, it's just the people are unwilling to play with a guild or friends and want to do it with any random joe blogs who has no friends in the game yet who will not have tactics given them due to poor communication skills of these people then they'd be kicked or the guy that wants to be carried through the whole thing leaves straight away

don't use the random finder again it's a mmo, play with friends be soical get a guild it's not a single player game it's a mmo, this is what it all boils down to.