Bax wrote: »

postlarval wrote: »

Bax wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

Hey I'm a millennial too~ (I think, I was born in 1998... is that Millennial age?)

Millennials are (according to William Strauss and Neil Howe - authors of the term) kids born in early 1980s up to early 2000s. And irony of that is that people born in 1980s broadly use the term to complain about "millenials" while in fact they are millenials themselves

Anyway, the term is obviously huge marketing BS. Someone once succeeded and made a huge money with a book where he names previous generation (was it generation X?) based on some BS stereotypes and very unreliable assumptions and connections to the historical events and that started whole the boom about how to name certain generations. It's mostly BS not worth of anyones time.

Triggered...and deflect shields deployed.

No idea why you would be, but sure, by all means, do whatever you like

That one sailed over your head so high it violated commercial airspace.

Yes the JS needs an overhaul but not in the way most would think.

Keep the Bounty as unlimited, the game gives you the means to reduce and do things by stealth, use them.

At what point should a high bounty start to have posies coming after them? You become one of Tamriel's most wanted, they track you down. Have a daily available to pick up a bounty writ to be able to track down one of these high bounty criminals, get rewarded for killing them with 10k gold and their bounty is reduced by the same. That will take some time yet give a means to reduce them a little faster, btw if the criminal wins the fight they get more bounty as they become more notorious.

At some point even the criminal elements don't want after thing to do with such high bounty peeps. They are attracting too much attention and besides they also want to cash in. The stakes get high enough the honor among thieves goes out the door.

Most that are getting this high levels of bounties are doing so to repeatably gather items that are meant to be more scarce in the game. Be they bot, or player uncaring of the JS both find that the JS has no bite to limit their actions as it's intended.

The levels I am suggesting should start at 1 million and higher in bounty. That gives some room for players to get things corrected but is also high enough to warrant extreme measures to combat.

lordrichter wrote: »

Grimm13 wrote: »

Yes the JS needs an overhaul but not in the way most would think.

Keep the Bounty as unlimited, the game gives you the means to reduce and do things by stealth, use them.

At what point should a high bounty start to have posies coming after them? You become one of Tamriel's most wanted, they track you down. Have a daily available to pick up a bounty writ to be able to track down one of these high bounty criminals, get rewarded for killing them with 10k gold and their bounty is reduced by the same. That will take some time yet give a means to reduce them a little faster, btw if the criminal wins the fight they get more bounty as they become more notorious.

At some point even the criminal elements don't want after thing to do with such high bounty peeps. They are attracting too much attention and besides they also want to cash in. The stakes get high enough the honor among thieves goes out the door.

Most that are getting this high levels of bounties are doing so to repeatably gather items that are meant to be more scarce in the game. Be they bot, or player uncaring of the JS both find that the JS has no bite to limit their actions as it's intended.

The levels I am suggesting should start at 1 million and higher in bounty. That gives some room for players to get things corrected but is also high enough to warrant extreme measures to combat.

No PVP in the Justice System. If there is a posse, it should be NPC only.

Agreed. PVP in the Justice System got the NOPE!!! from the community before Thieves Guild came out and ZOS adjusted accordingly. Plus they couldn't figure out how to prevent it from being used for griefing. Nothing's changed, except that ZOS keeps encouraging players to steal and murder in order to get furnishings and motifs.

NPC guards swarming certain players (that aggro only on that player so they can't be used to grief other thieves, obviously) would be fine by me.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

FilipeRamos96 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Common misunderstanding in this game: 100k is not a lot of gold. It’s hardly change.

Perspective, i say.

It’s not perspective. 100k is some hours of questing and selling all the loot, or farming for some hours and sell the mats, or ironically stealing 4 days to the fencing limit. It’s really easy to get.

@Feanor Oh? 100k worth of gold isn’t a big deal, and is barely change? Is that right? Well look, I’d surely appreciate it if you would be so kind as to slide me about a quarter mill. What do you say?

I’d say you stop being lazy and do the work yourself.

FilipeRamos96 wrote: »

LordGavus wrote: »

Wow, how many people did you murder?

I dunno, I spent half the night killing maybe 50-60 civies each rotation, I would guess... 1000-1500ish.

Pretty fun hearing all the possible crime witnessing lines at once in such short amount of time.

Sorry dude, no remorse, that's a fair few people. Bounty is apt.

Would you prefer a caning to paying that million gold fine?

Wouldn't people reach 100k or the cap and realise they can commit any crime and have no additional consequences.
Personally i dont think you should be able to kill npcs in cities and the only ones you should be able to is specific quest targets but thats my opinion as someone that hates seeing cities littered with corpses.
Really if you do the crime you should pay the penalty and if dying reset your bounty wouldn't people commit crimes, die and then repeat infinitely again with no consequence.

Might be entertaining to set it so when your bounty exceeds a certain (very high) level, your character gets transferred into a special faction hostile to all the other factions, then confined to a PVP zone until they clear their bounty.

lol. noo. nothing needs to be changed about it at all.

It takes a while just to get that much & you definitely got that high of a bounty on purpose, you willingly tried to go for the highest bounty. lol

VaranisArano wrote: »

Agreed. PVP in the Justice System got the NOPE!!! from the community before Thieves Guild came out and ZOS adjusted accordingly. Plus they couldn't figure out how to prevent it from being used for griefing. Nothing's changed, except that ZOS keeps encouraging players to steal and murder in order to get furnishings and motifs.

NPC guards swarming certain players (that aggro only on that player so they can't be used to grief other thieves, obviously) would be fine by me.

I've always loved this argument against using PVP as a deterrent to breaking the law in ESO. Please explain to me how it can be used to grief other players? There is a choice here for the player to make, they can choose to, maybe not break the law and get a bounty... then magically there is no possibility of grief from other players......... Or alternatively, they can break the law and ensure they do so using stealth so there are no witnesses (so that means being a good thief/assassin)..... magically again... no bounty and no griefing from other players.

Implementing a system where players can't just openly start attacking people with bounties would not work either..... but some kind of bounty board where players can get an actual quest to hunt someone down thus making them attackable (sort of like the dueling system), some kind of indicator to the thief that someone has accepted their bounty. Introduce some sort of tracking skill line that helps people hunt their quarry, people in taverns that can give tips as to their location. Make the Outlaw refuges no go area for people who actively have bounty quests.

If the thief clears his bounty, the quest goes away...... if the bounty hunter catches his quarry he gets a percentage of the bounty and the bounty goes away. Problem solved.

Do you really think people will try to go after you if you have a 1000 gp bounty... no... your not worth their time or the hunt.... however someone who has a 80 million bounty.......

And to reiterate, no one is forcing anyone to participate in PVP..... every player actually has two choices to avoid PVP..... a) Don't break the law..... or b) break the law and be sneaky about it.

Besides... I think it would be fun to be hunted.... imagine trying to escape across Tamriel, while someone is trying to find you .... like a giant digital game of hide and seek.