Jayman1000 wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

I always love this sentiment when posted regarding exploits vs bugs that adversely affect players. I'd be willing to bet everything I own that if you had been adversely affected by this xp bug, as in it was taking it from you, instead of giving it to you, you'd be reporting that bug so fast that it might seem like it had been reported a week before the update went live. Any takers?

Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken game

Exactly. Players tested this on PTS and it wasn't happening. Yet somehow it went live. So someone ZOS-side screwed up big time. Absolutely the XP should be removed from everyone, regardless of whether or not they suspect a player of exploiting. Then ZOS should APOLOGIZE for this mishap ON THEIR PART and hand out a little meaningful compensation for wasted playtime and downtime. Since this is no longer a sub game extra sub time doesn't work for everyone. So... crowns or in-game gold would be nice. What's bothering most of us here is the attitude we're getting. Instead of apologizing for their screw up they're telling us there will be a witch hunt against players. It doesn't affect me because the only character I played today was the one I rolled to level up and get the new level rewards...and he's all of level 4 right now... thanks to the down time. So, yeah, I'm annoyed and I think ZOS is taking exactly the wrong stance on this.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

iiYuki wrote: »

What are people suppose to do, "oh no im playing this dolmen normally but gaining too much xp... better stop playing".

Yes. Report it. Go do something else.

It's the "go do something else" that bothers me.

So now I have to be careful whenever I play the game normally, just in case there's a bug somewhere ?

Not fighting enemy players at an outpost is definitely not "playing normally".
Standing on a stone with 30 other players to kill a giant scorpion is definitely not "playing normally"
Killing a group dungeon boss over and over IS "playing normally" - we do that all the time when we farm gear.
Going to IC and kill mobs ? That's most definitely "playing normally".

And I don't see why we should stop playing normally "just because" something is wrong, that we might very well simply not even notice.

Other issue here is that when something is wrong to our disadvantage, we have to "deal with it". Trophy didn't drop, skill point was not granted, weapon doesn't fire, door doesn't open, disconnected, freeze, whatever : sorry guys, deal with it, thank you for your patience.
But whenever something is wrong to our advantage - while NORMALLY playing the game - then we should be guilty and punished ? Sounds harsh.

The reported symptom that could be considered a bannable exploit was getting millions of XP from trash mobs. I have no idea whether that happened, at all. Part of that report appears to be a lie. But, that is what we are talking about.

Getting millions of XP for killing trash mobs is not "normal" by any measure of the word. It just isn't. It is folly to suggest that someone minding their own business, idly killing whatever, isn't going to notice that they are getting way too many XP for what they are doing.

We are not talking subtle here. We are not talking about 6 extra XP for killing whatever it was. This is someone grabbing the dead mob and whacking you across the face with it.

When that happens, you stop. Don't do that anymore. It is not normal. Something is wrong. Stop.

SydneyGrey wrote: »

SynodicOracle wrote: »

It's becoming clear that the only people raging upset about this are those who exploited it. You know what you did, so accept the consequences.

That's not true at all. Some people just don't want them or their friends, or anyone else to be banned unfairly, if they killed "X" number of mobs before they noticed the bug. What if they came upon a group of four mobs, and killed all four, noticed the XP gain and stopped ... but ZOS banned them because they killed four mobs instead of just one? When you're in the middle of fighting a group of mobs, you don't stop in the middle just because you go up in level.
And before you say anything ... I was not in IC today. I also didn't buy the 1 crown house.
So long as ZOS doesn't wield the banhammer unfairly, it's not an issue.
With that said, if it was obvious exploiting ... such as someone leveling up a character to 50 by grinding for an hour in IC today ... then yes, they should at least get a temporary ban.

Agreed, they need to ban those that purposely kept doing it after killing one or a few mobs, but have to take into consideration how many mobs someone was fighting as well and if they noticed they gained 3 1/2 - 4 1/2 levels just in those 4 mobs they fought all at once then they should back away immediately, and report it.

lordrichter wrote: »

Getting millions of XP for killing trash mobs is not "normal" by any measure of the word. It just isn't. It is folly to suggest that someone minding their own business, idly killing whatever, isn't going to notice that they are getting way too many XP for what they are doing.

It's not "folly". What if you have NO XP indicator or progression bar on your screen ? How are you ever going to notice that you gain millions of XP ? That's the point.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you let me know if it is ok for me to keep playing or is this considered an exploit?
My Breton is gaining XP in ALL race skills vampire and champion (she is champion but obviously not the other rces nor a vamp)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1874747152557997&set=a.1315243185175066.1073741835.100000681922554&type=3&theater
sorry cant get the upload image to work...

I wasnt online at the time, but getting banned would be pretty lame if you were down in IC farming telvar and didn't notice or care about the exp gains. For example, I'm already max cp, I would have ignored this bug and continued grinding telvar if I was there at the time.

Ok guys can someone fill me in with a short version of what's going on?

I just woke-up a few minutes ago, the game is updating and i intended to get some questing done today and now i have this over my head to worry about.... or do i? does it affect normal quests/zones? to be more specific Stonefalls... i want to do some questing there!

Thanks.

It's a bug at first. When you start to abuse the bug, that's called exploiting. I can retrieve the definition of exploit for you if you'd like. When you installed the game, you agreed to the ToS. Bottom line, their game, their rules. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not.

LordSemaj wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Getting millions of XP for killing trash mobs is not "normal" by any measure of the word. It just isn't. It is folly to suggest that someone minding their own business, idly killing whatever, isn't going to notice that they are getting way too many XP for what they are doing.

It's not "folly". What if you have NO XP indicator or progression bar on your screen ? How are you ever going to notice that you gain millions of XP ? That's the point.

You have gained 1 Warrior, 1 Thief, and 1 Mage champion points
You have gained 1 Warrior, 1 Thief, and 1 Mage champion points
You have gained 1 Warrior, 1 Thief, and 1 Mage champion points
You have gained 1 Warrior, 1 Thief, and 1 Mage champion points

If you are already maxed on champ points, you weren't exactly benefiting from this exploit.

Actually you would have anyway cause once they raise the cap you'd be so far from the cap you won't have to level ever again

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.

How about banning the constant stream of BOTS that plague many zones with such zeal and attention as you are showing to this issue?

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Taysa wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395122/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-2-12-18-3-20pm-est#latest

Dear ZoS,

It's time for you to hire an actual QA department to test these things and stop relying on your broken system of crowd sourcing beta testers from the player base. It's not working.

You screwed up the most basic and fundamental part of the game, which is gaining EXP. And because of YOUR screw up, now you're threatening players who did nothing but gain EXP on the new characters you effectively forced them to make due to your short-sighted decision to not make your new level up system retroactive?

This isn't an exploit. This is your screw up. And nobody's account should be in danger of having a bad mark on it or banned because of it.

The majority of people that go to the PTS are there to find new exploitable mechanics. They never report it and hide it close to their vest, so that some of the exploits will be semi-secret for months. What on Tamriel would those people do if ZoS had a robust Q&A department???

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Taysa wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/395122/pc-mac-na-eu-downtime-2-12-18-3-20pm-est#latest

Dear ZoS,

It's time for you to hire an actual QA department to test these things and stop relying on your broken system of crowd sourcing beta testers from the player base. It's not working.

You screwed up the most basic and fundamental part of the game, which is gaining EXP. And because of YOUR screw up, now you're threatening players who did nothing but gain EXP on the new characters you effectively forced them to make due to your short-sighted decision to not make your new level up system retroactive?

This isn't an exploit. This is your screw up. And nobody's account should be in danger of having a bad mark on it or banned because of it.

The majority of people that go to the PTS are there to find new exploitable mechanics. They never report it and hide it close to their vest, so that some of the exploits will be semi-secret for months. What on Tamriel would those people do if ZoS had a robust Q&A department???

The majority? I think this is an insane assumption. The main reason everyone I know including myself goes to the PTS is to test things. Try out the new systems and report bugs. Also to give general feedback on these new systems.

SynodicOracle wrote: »

Everyone needs to have some faith in ZOS

You must be new here.

ZoS lost my faith when didn't acknowledge the load screens were an issue and blamed all of our hardware and internet.

ZoS lost my faith when they finally acknowledged the load screens, put up a thread, then closed it a few weeks later and claimed that the issue didn't affect PC.

ZoS lost my faith when they rolled out the dungeon event and broke their grouping mechanism and swore to everyone up and down that we would be compensated, then quietly buried the thread and haven't spoken about the issue since.

ZoS lost my faith when they stopped acknowledging cheating as an issue in July of 2016, the last time anything meaningful was posted on their very own cheating sticky (which they've since unstickied) and instead it took a group of people figuring out how to make their precious, stupid trial easier for them to wake up.

ZoS lost my faith when they employed someone largely responsible for SWTOR being the nickel and dime scam it is today.

ZoS lost my faith when their art department stopped getting costumes right, and then have the audacity to charge people anywhere from 10-20 USD for the privilege of acquiring something that is broken and doesn't dye well.

ZoS lost my faith a long time ago. I don't owe ZoS my faith.

[edited for naming/shaming]

There is a lot of people in here discussing how unfair a ban would be. Keep in mind for everyone innocently caught up in this and didn’t realise what was going on, there was probably half a dozen others intentionally power levelling toons or grinding cp and “exploiting” this bug. Or gossiping about it to guild mates or encouraging others to partake. A ban well deserved imo.