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Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭robertthebard wrote: »
I always love this sentiment when posted regarding exploits vs bugs that adversely affect players. I'd be willing to bet everything I own that if you had been adversely affected by this xp bug, as in it was taking it from you, instead of giving it to you, you'd be reporting that bug so fast that it might seem like it had been reported a week before the update went live. Any takers?
Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken game7 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
What about the coldharbour exploit?MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Is this gonna be fixed for console or.....
Like no one is forcing you to fix it before console launch
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »robertthebard wrote: »
I always love this sentiment when posted regarding exploits vs bugs that adversely affect players. I'd be willing to bet everything I own that if you had been adversely affected by this xp bug, as in it was taking it from you, instead of giving it to you, you'd be reporting that bug so fast that it might seem like it had been reported a week before the update went live. Any takers?
Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken game
You should go play World of tanks then, 2 team kills will earn you a 14 day suspension, and the next incident is perma bannedEdited by Cpt_Teemo on February 12, 2018 10:15PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭What if someone walks into IC and kills a group of adds like normal (gaining millions of XP) but then leaves asap? Will they get perma-banned too?
This sounds like a mess and I’m shocked that something this severe managed to slip by.5 -
iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭What are people suppose to do, "oh no im playing this dolmen normally but gaining too much xp... better stop playing".
Maybe ZO$ should pull their head out of the cash shop and learn to fix their game, they have had a month to prepare the game for a patch, the same patch that worked perfectly fine on NA but there were "issues... sorry you know the drill, have patience" all while the apologists and fanboys all mutter the same *** out of their ass "its only one day", "entitled much", "its allways been like this", well maybe its time to change I have NEVER played an mmo so poorly managed, i have played F2P & P2W games better run, that can at least release a basic patch without *** up and threatening to ban anyone that killed a mob."Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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Gamerscape2007✭✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »robertthebard wrote: »
I always love this sentiment when posted regarding exploits vs bugs that adversely affect players. I'd be willing to bet everything I own that if you had been adversely affected by this xp bug, as in it was taking it from you, instead of giving it to you, you'd be reporting that bug so fast that it might seem like it had been reported a week before the update went live. Any takers?
Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken game
You should go play World of tanks then, 2 team kills will earn you a 14 day suspension, and the next incident is perma banned
So why can't they disable friendly fire? Are they stupid? Lmao.1 -
Merenwen_812✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
Was it only in IC that this happened? If so then I won't worry as I didn't even tel var farm for the chests. Don't care for the PVP aspect of game so don't travel there often ...(I am one that does not pay attention to XP or CP gained as I was max level and it doesn't matter to me)Edited by Merenwen_812 on February 12, 2018 10:18PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭robertthebard wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding
Yeah, that's a classic: I didn't know I was exploiting an xp bug because I was botting... /hide
Example 2: im over cp cap and have xp gains turned off in my settings
I can keep going. This is zos' fault.
And today all i did was my writs, make one and a half costumes, and did both of the new dungeons, never stepped into IC
It was so much XP you still would have seen new CP gained spam on your screen every kill until cp needed per point was above 2 mil (and possibly more because I've seen reports close to the 5 mil mark)
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Taysa✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
You broke the most basic part of the game and you're going to punish people for participating in the most basic part of the game because the company that employs you and pays your salary thanks to subscribers like myself can't be bothered to test your own stuff before you push it live?
Yea, that makes sense. (Not.)Edited by Taysa on February 12, 2018 10:20PM5/24/18: The day ZoS suspended my forum account for trolling a troll.10 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Gamerscape2007 wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »robertthebard wrote: »
I always love this sentiment when posted regarding exploits vs bugs that adversely affect players. I'd be willing to bet everything I own that if you had been adversely affected by this xp bug, as in it was taking it from you, instead of giving it to you, you'd be reporting that bug so fast that it might seem like it had been reported a week before the update went live. Any takers?
Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken game
You should go play World of tanks then, 2 team kills will earn you a 14 day suspension, and the next incident is perma banned
So why can't they disable friendly fire? Are they stupid? Lmao.
It's a realistic game, friendly fire is meant to be there2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So what was the bug, and was it actually fixed? I haven't gained any XP since logging in but I don't want to go kill a mudcrab and get a ban. Nothing to do with writs? I'm about to log all my alts and do writs so I really need to know.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So what was the bug, and was it actually fixed? I haven't gained any XP since logging in but I don't want to go kill a mudcrab and get a ban. Nothing to do with writs? I'm about to log all my alts and do writs so I really need to know.
It was supposed mobs in IC sewers so if you weren't in a pvp area I doubt it affected anywhere else but not sure cause all I did was do the intro of getting a character to level 5 and all the things I killed only gave 40 xp per1 -
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post made me LOLSo what was the bug, and was it actually fixed? I haven't gained any XP since logging in but I don't want to go kill a mudcrab and get a ban. Nothing to do with writs? I'm about to log all my alts and do writs so I really need to know.
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"I really don't know who the **** came off with this change. Definitely somebody who does not play the game, that's for sure".
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JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭So glad I was not logged in when this happened lol.
People seem to be forgetting here that software coding is not a perfect science. Bugs happen, no matter how extensive the testing. And a bug can happen literally ANYWHERE in the code, and can be caused by any other bit of code.
Calling ZOS incompetent here, in this instance, I think is a bit of stretch. I don't think there is anything in this game that awards millions of XP at one time. People should know that. And people should have reported it. Not used it sneakily to bump themselves up.
I think banning for exploiting is justified. Because that is a roll of the dice you were completely willing to make by taking advantage of a bug, something CLEARLY stated in the ToS. Roll badly and the consequences are no one's but yours.
Moral? Don't take advantage of bugs. Report them. End of story.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken gameYou broke the most basic part of the game and you're going to punish people for participating in the most basic part of the game because the company that employs you and pays your salary thanks to subscribers like myself can't be bothered to test your own stuff before you push it live?
Yea, that makes sense. (Not.)
Think about it.
I'm doing a basic part of just playing the game, killing mobs in the Imperial City, when I notice that my exp count is way, way more than I've ever gotten for killing a mob.
Only under the most naive (or disingenous) of viewpoints can I continue to kill mobs while gaining enormous amounts of exp and claim that I'm "participating in the game" or "just playing the game."
Notice it, report it, stop doing it. Thanks for following the TOS!
Notice it, fail to report it, keep doing it. Exploit.
Make sense?
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »
Well its been years since I played it think the last time was back in like 2013 or something but here's they're updated policy from 2016, not much different
https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/general-news/rules-violations-policy-updates/0 -
RebelFireStorm✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
Too bad the Code of Conduct doesn't prevent ZeniMax from shafting us all with crown store prices, amirite? (Must be why it isn't the ETHICAL Code of Conduct lololololol)https://i.imgur.com/i3MD8V7.jpg
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Taysa✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken gameYou broke the most basic part of the game and you're going to punish people for participating in the most basic part of the game because the company that employs you and pays your salary thanks to subscribers like myself can't be bothered to test your own stuff before you push it live?
Yea, that makes sense. (Not.)
Think about it.
I'm doing a basic part of just playing the game, killing mobs in the Imperial City, when I notice that my exp count is way, way more than I've ever gotten for killing a mob.
Only under the most naive (or disingenous) of viewpoints can I continue to kill mobs while gaining enormous amounts of exp and claim that I'm "participating in the game" or "just playing the game."
Notice it, report it, stop doing it. Thanks for following the TOS!
Notice it, fail to report it, keep doing it. Exploit.
Make sense?
You should read AstridV's post a few pages back.
No, banning everyone for simply playing the game does not make sense, and I have no faith that ZoS will actually do it on a "case by case basis" considering their past history and the fact they can't seem to do the most basic customer service correctly.
But keep touting the company line.5/24/18: The day ZoS suspended my forum account for trolling a troll.3 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken gameYou broke the most basic part of the game and you're going to punish people for participating in the most basic part of the game because the company that employs you and pays your salary thanks to subscribers like myself can't be bothered to test your own stuff before you push it live?
Yea, that makes sense. (Not.)
Think about it.
I'm doing a basic part of just playing the game, killing mobs in the Imperial City, when I notice that my exp count is way, way more than I've ever gotten for killing a mob.
Only under the most naive (or disingenous) of viewpoints can I continue to kill mobs while gaining enormous amounts of exp and claim that I'm "participating in the game" or "just playing the game."
Notice it, report it, stop doing it. Thanks for following the TOS!
Notice it, fail to report it, keep doing it. Exploit.
Make sense?
I just think if they're very heavy handed with bans it'll set a very bad precedence. As in innocent players will suffer for ZOS' mistakes.
Exploiting vAS HM is one thing, it's such a deliberate act to go and kill the boss that way.
'Exploiting' XP gain by simply killing mobs is entirely accidental up until you realise what is happening. At what point that realisation happens is up for debate as far as I'm concerned.4 -
xSkullfox✭✭✭✭✭Still waiting for Grahtwood bots be banned...Groupfinder:
The worst part is when it finally puts you in a group, your healer turns into a werewolf, your tank has 14k HP and the dps is heavy armor, using a restro staff and a two handed sword on the backbar. Then comes the 15 minute penalty before the cycle starts anew.
Rulz of Morrowind:- The first rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- The second rule of Morrowind is: You do not talk about Morrowind.
- Third rule of Morrowind: Someone yells NDA stuff, uploads images, streams, the game is over.
- Fourth rule: only invited players can test.
- Fifth rule: one invite at a time, fellas.
- Sixth rule: crying or bashing on pts.
- Seventh rule: NDA will go on as long as they have to.
- And the eighth and final rule: If this is your first invite at Morrowind, you have to play.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken gameYou broke the most basic part of the game and you're going to punish people for participating in the most basic part of the game because the company that employs you and pays your salary thanks to subscribers like myself can't be bothered to test your own stuff before you push it live?
Yea, that makes sense. (Not.)
Think about it.
I'm doing a basic part of just playing the game, killing mobs in the Imperial City, when I notice that my exp count is way, way more than I've ever gotten for killing a mob.
Only under the most naive (or disingenous) of viewpoints can I continue to kill mobs while gaining enormous amounts of exp and claim that I'm "participating in the game" or "just playing the game."
Notice it, report it, stop doing it. Thanks for following the TOS!
Notice it, fail to report it, keep doing it. Exploit.
Make sense?
You should read AstridV's post a few pages back.
No, banning everyone for simply playing the game does not make sense, and I have no faith that ZoS will actually do it on a "case by case basis" considering their past history and the fact they can't seem to do the most basic customer service correctly.
But keep touting the company line.
I'm aware of some of the past issues, particularly the extra skill points from public dungeons fiasco. However, I have very little patience for people who only talk about innocents "just playing the game" as if it wasn't pretty obvious that something wasn't functioning as intended and that people were exploiting it deliberately.
What I'm trying to do is distinguish between those players who stumbled into it by accident, reported it, and stopped doing it (I commend those people for following the TOS) and those players who stumbled into it by accident (or knowingly), didn't report it, and kept doing it (I think those are exploiters and I'll weep no tears for them). Perhaps you are also trying to distinguish between those types of players or merely seeking to protect the former even if that means forgiving the latter, but if that's the case you are doing a poor job of it.0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »Actually I'd be fine with them rolling back the wrongly earned XP. But banning players for it? That is just a jerk move, and I believe this is problematic behaviour ZOS are displaying here, that they threathen to ban players for just playing the game. Why can't they just roll back wrong XP and then fix the god damn game?? No need to threaten or ban for a broken gameYou broke the most basic part of the game and you're going to punish people for participating in the most basic part of the game because the company that employs you and pays your salary thanks to subscribers like myself can't be bothered to test your own stuff before you push it live?
Yea, that makes sense. (Not.)
Think about it.
I'm doing a basic part of just playing the game, killing mobs in the Imperial City, when I notice that my exp count is way, way more than I've ever gotten for killing a mob.
Only under the most naive (or disingenous) of viewpoints can I continue to kill mobs while gaining enormous amounts of exp and claim that I'm "participating in the game" or "just playing the game."
Notice it, report it, stop doing it. Thanks for following the TOS!
Notice it, fail to report it, keep doing it. Exploit.
Make sense?
I just think if they're very heavy handed with bans it'll set a very bad precedence. As in innocent players will suffer for ZOS' mistakes.
Exploiting vAS HM is one thing, it's such a deliberate act to go and kill the boss that way.
'Exploiting' XP gain by simply killing mobs is entirely accidental up until you realise what is happening. At what point that realisation happens is up for debate as far as I'm concerned.
If you realized you gained 1 cp in one kill only, you already know something is going on so you shouldn't have tested it further0 -
nathan_bri✭✭✭✭The level of mendacity in the “this should not be considered an exploit” crowd astonishes me.2
