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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
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Friend of mine killed one set of mobs and gained 20 CP. He immediately left.
Smart man.1 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭Those that were already in IC when patch landed - no suspension but XP removed.
Those that ported into IC after it became known, 3 day suspension and all XP removed.
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Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Friend of mine killed one set of mobs and gained 20 CP. He immediately left.
Smart man.
^ 2nd, glad I wasn't even aware of the xp exploit till it was to late stupid cheaters0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nathan_bri wrote: »The level of mendacity in the “this should not be considered an exploit” crowd astonishes me.
Pretty much. I understand that this was easy to do accidentally at first and I definitely want ZOS to be cautious about how they do their case-by-case review.
But unless everyone who went to IC noticed the exp gains, reported it ASAP, and stopped killing mobs, I think its pretty clear that there was an exploit going on. You can't seriously argue that getting tons of exp from a single mob was intended.0 -
boombazookajd✭✭✭✭✭And now I see why us console plebs have it good.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What are people suppose to do, "oh no im playing this dolmen normally but gaining too much xp... better stop playing".
Yes. Report it. Go do something else.
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Friend of mine killed one set of mobs and gained 20 CP. He immediately left.
20 CP in probably less than 20 seconds, ban worthy right there.0 -
disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Crucifixion? Out of the door, one cross each, line on the left.....Australian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.1 -
Nihility42✭✭✭✭The only thing I'm upset by in this whole situation is that I didn't get 100+ free CP. Being below cap is super annoying. Hopefully ZOS just talks big, tries to scares everyone into not exploiting, then does nothing about this. Can't imagine why this is such a big deal.0 -
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✭✭✭By definition, an exploit is taking advantage of an unintended game mechanic in order to gain an advantage. Why should i be punished by having the server rolled back for people who found the unintended game mechanic and took advantage of it?
I think ZOS is handling this the correct way, punishing people who obviously took advantage of the mechanic, while not punishing everyone else.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »
It's the "go do something else" that bothers me.
So now I have to be careful whenever I play the game normally, just in case there's a bug somewhere ?
Not fighting enemy players at an outpost is definitely not "playing normally".
Standing on a stone with 30 other players to kill a giant scorpion is definitely not "playing normally"
Killing a group dungeon boss over and over IS "playing normally" - we do that all the time when we farm gear.
Going to IC and kill mobs ? That's most definitely "playing normally".
And I don't see why we should stop playing normally "just because" something is wrong, that we might very well simply not even notice.
Other issue here is that when something is wrong to our disadvantage, we have to "deal with it". Trophy didn't drop, skill point was not granted, weapon doesn't fire, door doesn't open, disconnected, freeze, whatever : sorry guys, deal with it, thank you for your patience.
But whenever something is wrong to our advantage - while NORMALLY playing the game - then we should be guilty and punished ? Sounds harsh.Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on February 12, 2018 11:33PM11 -
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✭✭✭Anotherone773 wrote: »By definition, an exploit is taking advantage of an unintended game mechanic in order to gain an advantage. Why should i be punished by having the server rolled back for people who found the unintended game mechanic and took advantage of it?
I think ZOS is handling this the correct way, punishing people who obviously took advantage of the mechanic, while not punishing everyone else.
Same, if you noticed something wrong in the 1-3 tries you tested it with and left then nothing should happen to you0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »
It's the "go do something else" that bothers me.
So now I have to be careful whenever I play the game normally, just in case there's a bug somewhere ?
Not fighting enemy players at an outpost is definitely not "playing normally".
Standing on a stone with 30 other players to kill a giant scorpion is definitely not "playing normally"
Killing a group dungeon boss over and over IS "playing normally" - we do that all the time when we farm gear.
Going to IC and kill mobs ? That's most definitely "playing normally".
And I don't see why we should stop playing normally "just because" something is wrong, that we might very well simply not even notice.
No. You just have to report a glitch that's obviously not intended when you see it.
Are you seriously trying to argue that you could see yourself get 1.9 million exp for killing a mob and not realize that something was wrong and maybe you should report it and not continue killing mobs for tons of exp?
Report it. Go do something else that isn't continuing to exploit the very glitch you just noticed. If you spot a new glitch, rinse repeat.2 -
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✭Still waiting for Grahtwood bots be banned...
yeah man that is just amazing, those 25 bots are just running around there 24/7, I've reported them so many times; many players I've talked to in zone chat there tell me they have reported them many times too. Still they are there... incredible slow of ZOS; it would take them but a single minute to just look at that place in grathwood (it's always the same place, with the tigers and the little lake), just 1 single minute and they could just spend a few minutes banning all those duplicate toons running in straight lines after each other.
Seriously, in the time it takes Gina to make 1 forum post, she could have banned all 25 grathwood toons multiple times.Edited by Jayman1000 on February 12, 2018 11:38PM6 -
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✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »
If you did it on purpose, or if they find out that you were being salty / inting from previous matches in new matches1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Are you seriously trying to argue that you could see yourself get 1.9 million exp for killing a mob and not realize that something was wrong and maybe you should report it and not continue killing mobs for tons of exp?
Report it. Go do something else that isn't continuing to exploit the very glitch you just noticed. If you spot a new glitch, rinse repeat.
Frankly ? Unless I happen to gain 2CP at once or 2 CPs very close to each other, I may simply not notice. All my skills are maxed and I'm far above CP cap. Nothing on my screen informs me about my XP gains - because I simply don't care.
So yes, I might genuinely not notice. (Didn't "test", I'm on EU and did not set foot in IC today before the second maintenance)
I'm not stupid, I understand that some if not many people will intentionally abuse the situation. But some people can be very genuine.
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✭Jayman1000 wrote: »
If you did it on purpose, or if they find out that you were being salty / inting from previous matches in new matches
oh ok, so what you are saying is that the original posters information, that two tk's = 14 day ban, third = permaban, is incorrect, and that it is only in extreme, repeated cases, and possibly require many more tk's?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Besides... who cares if some silly guys level a new toon in ten minutes instead of 2 days ? Who cares if someone gets 200CP in an hour ? They're just spoiling their own fun, XP means nothing, CPs are capped and neither transform a bad player into a good one, or a new player into an experienced one.
Really, who cares... ?2 -
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✭✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
If you did it on purpose, or if they find out that you were being salty / inting from previous matches in new matches
oh ok, so what you are saying is that the original posters information, that two tk's = 14 day ban, third = permaban, is incorrect, and that it is only in extreme, repeated cases, and possibly require many more tk's?
Oh I was just referring to a whole separate game comparing ZoS's infractions to there's saying that ZoS is way to lienant compared to other games0 -
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✭I use gamepad UI and the chatbox covers the xp notifications anyways, so I never see that. Glad I was at work today. Another patch day with exploit created by poor QA, yet players get banned and ZOS keeps the same staff employed.Edited by Moloch1514 on February 12, 2018 11:59PMPC-NA2 -
Amadis001✭✭✭✭Instead of them threatening to come after players to took advantage of this, I would have liked to see them apologize to the community for their obvious screw up and promise in internal investigation of how their quality assurance process failed so badly. That's what most large software companies (including the one I work at) would do after a mess up like this.// Amadis of Gaul -- DK Nord (Lvl 50 CP 1000)6
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Melilotta✭✭✭Luckily I haven't gone to IC for a long long time, but this is really scary, for I never pay attention to how much XP I'm getting. Well, I suppose I would notice if I earned too many CP in a very short time, because each new CP is announced, but even then I'm not sure.1 -
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Some people care; they do not want anyone having anything that (in their opinion) they did not earn.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Besides... who cares if some silly guys level a new toon in ten minutes instead of 2 days ? Who cares if someone gets 200CP in an hour ? They're just spoiling their own fun, XP means nothing, CPs are capped and neither transform a bad player into a good one, or a new player into an experienced one.
Really, who cares... ?
And I disagree that it does not matter if someone earns 200 CP in an hour. That is an awful lot of champion points that come in mighty handy, especially if you were already somewhere between 160 CP and CP cap with some idea of what you are doing.
For sure, a new player going from level 10 to CP200 in an hour will probably still be a bad player, but not everyone is a new player.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
What's your definition of "exploiting the issue"? That's a very broad brush to paint strokes with.
If you're taking action on accounts, your definition of TOS infringement should be much more refined and specific.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
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✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
What's your definition of "exploiting the issue"? That's a very broad brush to paint strokes with.
If you're taking action on accounts, your definition of TOS infringement should be much more refined and specific.
I would think anyone that continued to do so after 3 times would be in part of supposed bans.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The ZeniMax Code of Conduct that you agreed to when starting the game states that you will not exploit any bug, or abuse any game system. As such, we'll be doing a full audit over the next few days to identify any accounts that were found to be exploiting the issue with XP gains.
What's your definition of "exploiting the issue"? That's a very broad brush to paint strokes with.
If you're taking action on accounts, your definition of TOS infringement should be much more refined and specific.
I would think anyone that continued to do so after 3 times would be in part of supposed bans.
That's nice, but guessing is hardly what is needed right now.
ZOS, you really, really messed up, and you need to take responsibility. If people really did exploit your "oops", then lay it out plain what constitutes exploitation of said "oops" and what punishment there will be. And be reasonable - there are bound to be plenty of people who just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Don't make a second, worse "oops" by handling this the wrong way.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa4
