Lol I love the fact that people SERIOUSLY defend ZOS when they made this issue without properly testing their code. I don't have this DLC yet as I've transferred to console a while back but damn this is funny.

If you release content that is broken i.e. seeing large abnormalities during live server activities, then it is YOUR responsibility to bring down those servers for Emergency maintenance. I don't get it every other game similar to this knows the concept of Emergency maintenance and this dates back to Runescape or even PSU... heck PSO2 was released similarly close to ESO and they do the same damn thing when things aren't correctly going.

Recremen wrote: »

I can only imagine logging on, going to grind some tel var for the housing storage, worrying about players from other factions sniping you, maybe having addons like No Thank You that stop the CP message, and then winding up with a ban because you didn't realize there was a monumental error on ZOS' part. I'm normally all for banning cheaters, but this seems more like a situation where they should just dock the XP.

Precisely. Especially with the CP cap increase with this patch, plenty of people will have started off by grinding CP. I think there are many innocent people who were just playing the game as they normally would, oblivious to the XP bug. ZOS really should simply deduct XP instead of banning people for this issue.

To those that are in here saying "cheating is cheating" and "he should have left right away if he saw the XP", keep in mind...IF this story is the whole story, for a week straight during the Double AP in Cyrodiil, hundreds of people knowingly flipped flags in a coordinated effort to gain AP - some people gaining tens of millions of AP in a week. All they got was a 3 day ban, AND they kept their illicitly gained AP.

Sooo, if ZOS really bans people for this, they are hypocritical (to say it kindly).

I am going to be so salty if I get a ban because my characters were still in IC from yesterday's grind. I didn't get any unusual exp though, so I hope I am fine.

ItsNebula wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We haven't begun actioning any accounts yet. If you're having an issue with your account (or if your friend is), you should submit a ticket on our Support page for our team to review.

Ill have to tell him about this then, im still curious into how he got banned as he hasnt played in a few weekas slowly waiting for the DLC to drop..

Its weird on how he would get a ban today after such a large EXP gain too

If he hasn't played in a few weeks how did he get xp just today?

MaxwellC wrote: »

Lol I love the fact that people SERIOUSLY defend ZOS when they made this issue without properly testing their code. I don't have this DLC yet as I've transferred to console a while back but damn this is funny.

If you release content that is broken i.e. seeing large abnormalities during live server activities, then it is YOUR responsibility to bring down those servers for Emergency maintenance. I don't get it every other game similar to this knows the concept of Emergency maintenance and this dates back to Runescape or even PSU... heck PSO2 was released similarly close to ESO and they do the same damn thing when things aren't correctly going.

You don't know what exploiting is! Here is the defiinition:

"In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers."

Exploiting is by definition taking advantage of a bug that the developers let slip through. It states in the ToS that if you exploit you get banned. So that means taking advantage of a bug = getting banned.

If you didn't like it don't agree to the ToS and don't play. But once you hit "I agree" you are legally bound by it.

I had a friend in SWG over 10 years ago who thought it would be funny to get his other friends together and create a huge amount of macros to overload and crash the server. This is against the ToS and he brought the server down for the whole day. He was formally sued by Sony for a large sum of money for loss in revenue. He agreed to the ToS and had no defense in court.

This is no different then "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

Also it's a case by case basis. Zenimax can see patterns. There is a difference between a person who is grinding EXP and a person grinding sewers. A difference between a person who is grinding telvar and a person who is grinding Tel Var. You can run code requests to search specific questions in your data and narrow down exploiters. Such as:

Run search in your data for:

People who gained over 20mil exp in 1 hour:

How many of those got a player kill:

How many of those killed bosses:

How many of those capped a flag:

How much telvar did they get:

How many scamps did they kill:

And narrow down to those who are just in it the exp and nothing else.

I spend a lot of time in the sewers. I prob average 10-20 hours a week in the sewer. My friend and I have been non stop sewer farming since IC's release we always go together to destress. During the telvar event last year we made over 4 million telvar. We also level every single character we have made since IC's release in the sewers. I have prob put 200 hours into the sewer if not more. I can tell you from experience that there is a very very large deference between tel var farming and exp farming as I have done both A LOT.

I can also tell you that like I said I have level'd every character since IC's release through the sewers and today I made a new toon for the leveling for the new rewards and wanted to like I always do level it through the sewers. I heard about the bug and it sucked because bug or not I wanted to level that way however I knew it was an exploit and I decided not to.

Here is a convo between me and a friend on discord today:


Lewis - Today at 1:16 PM
i just went to ic and killed a few skeletons and got like 20 cp
teh1deva - Today at 1:16 PM
so only spear to the face or force pulse but you have to be in melee range
Lewis - Today at 1:16 PM
lvled purge to max
teh1deva - Today at 1:16 PM
weird
lol
dont take advantage of it
you could get banned for exploiting
Lewis - Today at 1:16 PM
pretty sure you could get to lvl 50 in a few mins
teh1deva - Today at 1:16 PM
taking advantage of a system you know is bugged is exploitying and can get u in big trouble
Lewis - Today at 1:18 PM
i'm wondering if there will be a rollback
kinda scared to play any
teh1deva - Today at 1:18 PM
there might be
now they might say its our fault and forget about it
but the TOS states speicifically that using a bug that is known to your advantage is against the TOS and a bannable offense
so take no chances
just dont enter the sewers for now lol
Lewis - Today at 1:19 PM
ok

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

I agree, it's not an exploit.

It is an exploit though, the mobs weren't supposed to give you 1 cp per level, the legit xp was supposed to be around .2-.5% of a cp level per mob kill I believe, not 100-150%

Thats the thing, they weren't supposed to give you that EXP, but ZOS programed it (is how i guess you can say it, im not a game dev) for that brief period of time, into the game.

So when a bank cash machine pumps out free money because of a bug, that means everyone can just queue up and take all the cash until it runs out because the bank programmed it into the machine? Good luck explaining that one to the court.

Not even remotely the same thing.

I'm neutral on this, and even I can tell your being one sided and unfair. Knock it off.

Sorry if I'm one-sided where cheating and exploiting is concerned, and if that offends you. It's very much the same thing, both are examples of bugs being inadvertently introduced into a program and people knowingly taking advantage of them and then trying to argue that it was down to the programming, not them.

It isn't, because if the man immediately logs out, it's very clear he isn't attempting to take advantage.

If what the OP says is true, he saw the number, balked, then immediately logged out in order to prevent exactly what happened. That isn't taking advantage. Taking advantage would have been to keep going. Reporting the bug would have made it clear but logging out immedately? No. That isn't an exploitation. Or did you not actually -read- the post?

It's also unlikely the support team would have been able to read the post in time for him to avoid action, seeing as we dont know what their response times to those are, and general consensus seems to be 'depends on who reads it'.

You are deliberately one sided when it comes to any time where ZOS might be doing something wrong, you've exibited this behavior before and will likely do so again. I expect nothing less, but the least you can do is be quiet about it when it isn't helpfull, and this certainly isn't.

Perhaps you should note the specific comment I was quoting and commenting on. I was specifically addressing the defence that ZOS programmed the exp gain into the game. I'm not even discussing ZOS who haven't begun to take any actions yet, but if you (without being one sided where my posts are concerned, heaven forbid!) truly believe my contributions aren't helpful then perhaps you should stop replying to them !

When you go out of your way to take advantage of an exploit, that's one thing. However, when there's a sizable portion of the game locked away from you because of a bug, that's something else entirely. Banning people who continue to play in IC because they bought the IC DLC and enjoy playing in IC is... not cool in the slightest. Removing excess XP and CP? Sure, that's fair. But banning? No.

Hopefully ZOS is wise enough to not ban people for the offense of playing content they paid for.

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

ItsNebula wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

I agree, it's not an exploit.

It is an exploit though, the mobs weren't supposed to give you 1 cp per level, the legit xp was supposed to be around .2-.5% of a cp level per mob kill I believe, not 100-150%

Thats the thing, they weren't supposed to give you that EXP, but ZOS programed it (is how i guess you can say it, im not a game dev) for that brief period of time, into the game.

So when a bank cash machine pumps out free money because of a bug, that means everyone can just queue up and take all the cash until it runs out because the bank programmed it into the machine? Good luck explaining that one to the court.

Not even remotely the same thing.

I'm neutral on this, and even I can tell your being one sided and unfair. Knock it off.

Sorry if I'm one-sided where cheating and exploiting is concerned, and if that offends you. It's very much the same thing, both are examples of bugs being inadvertently introduced into a program and people knowingly taking advantage of them and then trying to argue that it was down to the programming, not them.

It isn't, because if the man immediately logs out, it's very clear he isn't attempting to take advantage.

If what the OP says is true, he saw the number, balked, then immediately logged out in order to prevent exactly what happened. That isn't taking advantage. Taking advantage would have been to keep going. Reporting the bug would have made it clear but logging out immedately? No. That isn't an exploitation. Or did you not actually -read- the post?

It's also unlikely the support team would have been able to read the post in time for him to avoid action, seeing as we dont know what their response times to those are, and general consensus seems to be 'depends on who reads it'.

You are deliberately one sided when it comes to any time where ZOS might be doing something wrong, you've exibited this behavior before and will likely do so again. I expect nothing less, but the least you can do is be quiet about it when it isn't helpfull, and this certainly isn't.

Perhaps you should note the specific comment I was quoting and commenting on. I was specifically addressing the defence that ZOS programmed the exp gain into the game. I'm not even discussing ZOS who haven't begun to take any actions yet, but if you (without being one sided where my posts are concerned, heaven forbid!) truly believe my contributions aren't helpful then perhaps you should stop replying to them !

I see you have no rebuttle. Well then.

And perhaps, heaven forbid, you should have been much more clear what viewpoint you were refuting. Maybe practice what you preach some time.

No rebuttle? To what, your nonsense point about my post history which I described as one sided, or your comment about the OP's actions which wasn't relevant to the point I had commented on?

I quoted the viewpoint I was commenting on, how much clearer do you want it?

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

When you go out of your way to take advantage of an exploit, that's one thing. However, when there's a sizable portion of the game locked away from you because of a bug, that's something else entirely. Banning people who continue to play in IC because they bought the IC DLC and enjoy playing in IC is... not cool in the slightest. Removing excess XP and CP? Sure, that's fair. But banning? No.

Hopefully ZOS is wise enough to not ban people for the offense of playing content they paid for.

If they had multiple infractions before and was told not to exploit again then they should be banned, if it was none or once before then a 2nd warning would be the last tbh.

Can't you turn off the loot and XP notification in the bottom right? I guess the CP gains should be pretty obvious right off the bat.

VaranisArano wrote: »

OrdoHermetica wrote: »

When you go out of your way to take advantage of an exploit, that's one thing. However, when there's a sizable portion of the game locked away from you because of a bug, that's something else entirely. Banning people who continue to play in IC because they bought the IC DLC and enjoy playing in IC is... not cool in the slightest. Removing excess XP and CP? Sure, that's fair. But banning? No.

Hopefully ZOS is wise enough to not ban people for the offense of playing content they paid for.

Because those who continued to play in IC after noticing the bug were just innocently "enjoying playing in IC" when there was clearly an exp bug going on. Yeah, I have a hard time buying that one.

I think you missed the point of my argument.

What I'm saying is that players should not have to avoid playing an entire DLC that they paid for because of an XP bug. I'm saying that players should be able to continue to be able to play said paid-for content without having to feign ignorance, secure in the knowledge that, while the bug fix will take the crazy extra XP away from them, they won't be banned for playing DLC content that - once again for emphasis, because this is important - they paid for.

Going out of your way to exploit, say, a trial glitch for gain is one thing. Having an entire DLC gated off because of a bug is something else entirely.

The important part of the TOS:

Users will not intentionally use or share any bug found within any ZeniMax Game, real or fictitious, regardless of whether or not it grants an unfair advantage.

If he stays banned, I would say that's why. It's his screen cap I've seen floating around all over today, so clearly he shared it with SOMEONE. Whether it was him or the person he shared it with that let it loose into the ether, doesn't matter. He shared it first.

What he should have done is bug reported it and stayed away.

I mean, go for the appeal. But frankly I wouldn't be surprised or care all that much if he stays banned. Exploiting something you know is not intentional is clearly a violation of TOS.

And all this "but they programmed it" is total BS. Bugs happen. As a dev myself, I cannot headdesk hard enough when I hear people say this crap. That's why the TOS says "hey guys, don't exploit bugs mkay" because they are going to get through every now and then. You can't even begin to imagine what working with millions of lines of code is like. The best way I can describe it is try and imagine there's a spider web and you want to move just one string of it without affecting the rest, but you can only see parts of the web that its connected to, and some parts are just invisible entirely, and some seem to be in a completely different color but you're sure they're connected somehow.

So yeah, have fun with that.

Also:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We haven't begun actioning any accounts yet. If you're having an issue with your account (or if your friend is), you should submit a ticket on our Support page for our team to review.

Lol, now I must wonder how much of a troll OP is.

Gina just said no ones been banned for this yet so relax .