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"Please note that anyone found exploiting will be handled on a case-by-case basis."
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xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Jinazai just as even fewer know what "scammer" means and yet they keep using to brand people who are just overpricing stuff.
@anitajoneb17_ESO damn...I lvled 10 characters from 1-50 in 25 mins... >:30 -
DemonDruaga✭✭✭✭it will be pretty obvious who grinded out several hundred mio exp, gained countless CP in the process, and who just did some quests or even backed off after a few mob kills.
getting hundreds of mio's exp and grinding out basicly more than one could achieve trough a year normal playing is a little difference.Ardor // Dunkelsicht // Pakt2 -
OtarTheMad✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I mean, in the end, they should really just remove the earned XP from those players and move on. Maybe a temp ban if they feel angry about it, but it was caught early and I'd think they can look at see who was in the area and who earned a bunch and just take it away.
^ this.
They may have exploited but a ban seems a little far. Just take away XP gained and achievements and rewards gained from it.0 -
monktoasty✭✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »There has been little investment, even some would say a blatant lack of investment in QA department in testing content before it is released.
Has been said, so many times, by me and many others. ZOS has constantly relied on paying customers to pay ZOS to work for them through buggy and exploited content and squander more time in documenting with videos and evidence to make ZOS job as easy as possible to address an issue with rushed out content.
There is/has been NO incentive for anyone who plays the PTS to tell ZOS anything they find. The majority of players have and will keep this information to themselves so they can solely profit off it for ass long as possible. This is not mere conjucture either, this is hard fact continually after every DLC release there has been mass exploitation.
Every title and achievement in ESO has been exploited at one stage. Poor platform ZOS had with the PTS setup/strategy.
To be fair, there is a thread stickied somewhere that is essentially an add for more Q&A folks because they are increasing the size of their Q&A team.
For trials
Anyways since when is it the customers job to report bugs? It's optional.
If you are merely playing the game and odd things occur..not our job and shouldn't be punished
If you do stuff that is beyond normal gameplay..then that's wrong..like leaving the map to dupe items..that's exploiting.
Getting to much xp playing exactly how you are supposed to play is not. Sorry to burst all the bubbles in here6 -
Montayva✭✭✭✭I’m in agreement that Zos need to step up with more reliable testing but cmon guys. Seriously? There is a loooooooong history of patches where Zos unintentionally break something. Sometimes that broken something is left for days, weeks even. If you find that thing that is broken and abuse that, you deserve that ban. #sorrynotsorryMontayva: EP, AD, DC Magplar | Mistress Montayva: AD, DC, EP Mag DK | Rharhey: EP, AD Mag Sorccrafters
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Merenwen_812✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Merenwen_812 wrote: »There was an issue? How do we know if we exploited without knowing what the issue was O.o
Just a few kills in IC was giving millions of exp you would know 100% that if you had a low lvl toon and you hut max after a few kills or went from 10 CP to 720 CP in a matter of hours
thanks
I got the just saw a screenshot of someone getting 1.9 million xp in IC
as long as it was isolated to IC I think I am good as I only did a dungeon and writs that I can remember :P
I don't pay attention to XP gained or my level as I was over max level (and still am with new cap) so looking at that is not something I do normally.Edited by Merenwen_812 on February 12, 2018 9:19PM0 -
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✭OtarTheMad wrote: »I mean, in the end, they should really just remove the earned XP from those players and move on. Maybe a temp ban if they feel angry about it, but it was caught early and I'd think they can look at see who was in the area and who earned a bunch and just take it away.
^ this.
They may have exploited but a ban seems a little far. Just take away XP gained and achievements and rewards gained from it.
They said they will not roll back.0 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭They will probably look at the chat logs for people who were getting the XP. And if it looks as though they went to abuse (not merely confirm) the bug after being told about it, then there is proof of intent to exploit, and thus I think some action against the account is reasonable. Also people who actually reported it probably won't be in any trouble.
But personally I would rather just see them take away the XP and issue warnings rather than banning.0 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here come all the people with their excuses, claiming how they didn't notice because of bla bla bla.
So if your account is banned wrongfully you will be happy to lose your character, right? After all your stupid excuses will just be bla bla bla.
You know I logged in to play for a little while today and payed zero attention to xp, just wanted to test out killing groups of mobs as fast as I could. I think I gained a few cp, but I just took that being caused for my enlightentment bonus. I wasn't in a group so maybe I didn't get any "exploit" xp after all. But how would I know if I weren't expecting it or keeping eye on it? Accusing anyone falsely and banning their account is a grave mistake and quite frankly, it's a jerk move. Don't be a jerk I say. ZOS, please.Edited by Jayman1000 on February 12, 2018 9:23PM5 -
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✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »
Bottom line - ZOS screwed up, the only punishments they need to hand out is whoever somehow missed the XP gains bug in IC.
**And lets just examine that in perspective --> if ZOS punishes a player for 'not noticing' they were getting larger than pre-patch XP gains, how do they explain their own QA 'not noticing' the same?
This right here. I think what a lot of us are responding to is the "tone" of players being threatened when the real problem is with the game maker and instead of apologizing to us and offering some sort of compensation for all the down time they're going on the offensive.
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean, yeah. You totally could think that gaining 1.9 million XP for a single mob was intended. No, it's not exploiting. Because that would be knowingly using a game bug to your advantage. Your honor, I ask you could these innocent players really know that gaining 1.9 million XP was not intended?
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?1 -
DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Example 1: watching a movie while grinding3 -
GamerAeryn✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »I mean, in the end, they should really just remove the earned XP from those players and move on. Maybe a temp ban if they feel angry about it, but it was caught early and I'd think they can look at see who was in the area and who earned a bunch and just take it away.
^ this.
They may have exploited but a ban seems a little far. Just take away XP gained and achievements and rewards gained from it.
I completely agree, but somehow I'm skeptical they even keep this kind of track of us, all things considered.Gaming Youtube: TESO questing gameplay
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raviour✭✭✭✭Everyone gettng hyped about a dodgy screenshot that coulda been photoshopped.
I was in sewers for over an hour solo and XP gain was totally normal.
I'm hearing the real issue was some players on NA were buying stuff from the crown store for only 1 crown.1 -
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✭SydneyGrey wrote: »
Ah. Yes, they'd definitely notice that.single kills were enough to gain multiple levels, it was so much it would be noticeable to anyone with the slightest clue how XP works normally in this game.
I'm CP 690, and did three undaunted delves today. I don't pay attention to how much XP I get any more, because there's no reason for me to pay attention to it. If I'd been on a new character, though, I definitely would have noticed that, though.
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GamerAeryn✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Yeah, I have to say that even well above cap, I notice the big letters coming up saying "earned thief point" and if I earned one 900xp point after one kill, and then another, and then another, that's an issue.Gaming Youtube: TESO questing gameplay
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✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »To be fair, there is a thread stickied somewhere that is essentially an add for more Q&A folks because they are increasing the size of their Q&A team.
You mean after 3 years of failed updates and exploited content they reaching out for players?. Seems logical and i personally would accept that apart from ZOS deleted the Cheating and Exploiting thread in a poor bid to hide this from new players coming in and the clear intent to not attribute to it.
I was an original poster asking for that topic and it to be stickied, had to post many times over this. That topic had players involvement but never had ZOS part in the relationship so the topic on forums died off.
Has Cheating and Exploiting disappeared from ESO?. Apparently not, a patch for a new patch, history like a vicious cycle. As i see it, an area like cheating that has never been invested in by ZOS, has now received another blow which certainly indicates ZOS taking a lessening stance on these subjects, which i shouldn't have to state again but i will:
This is not good for the decent legitimate player.
Edited by KingMagaw on February 12, 2018 9:28PM3 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Everyone gettng hyped about a dodgy screenshot that coulda been photoshopped.
I was in sewers for over an hour solo and XP gain was totally normal.
I'm hearing the real issue was some players on NA were buying stuff from the crown store for only 1 crown.
That would explain the rather abrupt closure of the store on EU. I was looking at the new stuff and boom! store closed, followed nearly immediately by "server coming down".
Guess it could be both. Might be worth looking around on Google but I can't be arsed.
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✭GamerAeryn wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »Jayman1000 wrote: »
How would one not notice going from none CP to hitting CP after a few kills or having low CP then going up a few CP after a few kills?
Yeah, I have to say that even well above cap, I notice the big letters coming up saying "earned thief point" and if I earned one 900xp point after one kill, and then another, and then another, that's an issue.
Yes even on Xbox NA I'm at 1055 and every time I get a point I alway put RIP in chat for yet another CP I can't use0 -
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✭It seems the Coldharbour house went on live priced 1 Crown, they forgot to change the price from the pts.
Now I wonder what will happen, are the people who bought the product for that price keeping it?
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"I really don't know who the **** came off with this change. Definitely somebody who does not play the game, that's for sure".
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I forgot it went up to 720, but thanks for your pointlessly condescending comment.Olen_Mikko wrote: »Spendable CP cap is 720 CP, you should pay attention.
I'm actually somewhere around CP 740-ish, so I don't pay attention to that any more.
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Jarryzzt✭✭✭✭Hmm. They are bringing the servers back down before I can actually get the post-patch client to work.
Must be a new record of some kind.
Also, too, if the issue is with XP gains, then.........one begins to have definitive questions regarding the quality of ZOS internal testers (or testing processes). Because understand this, unless the management at ZOS is stark, barking mad and routinely turns to pet rocks for organisational advice, external (player) testing is only the last phase of the QA process, by which point, in the ideal, most of the major issues ought to have been noticed and either logged or resolved. And yet...this...hasn't.
Ugh. At least this gives me more time to run the client repair process. Again.1 -
NiclasFridholm✭✭✭✭People still care about XP in this game? Why? There is no progression anyways...Tobias Funke - Magplar since forever4 -
Jacozilla✭✭✭✭✭There's also the complicating factor of addons.
Many addons show the xp gain in a small sidebar, with truncated numbers. I use Dustman - all it shows is +4k gold, 1.9k XP, etc.
From the example screen someone posted here, it was a gain of 1.9 million instead of say 1.9k or 19k.
The problem is if you're past 690 CP already, it's not unreasonable to just ignore the side messages, especially when all it would say is 1.9Here come all the people with their excuses, claiming how they didn't notice because of bla bla bla.
To you the OP and the 14 ppl I saw Agree to this comment, let me ask a logical question -
Why should a player be punished for 'not noticing' xp gains when ZOS QA didn't either?
Now let me be clear - I'm positive there has to be -SOME- players that noticed, made the connection in brain this is clearly not intended or probably not intended, and either stopped or kept going. But point is they noticed, made the connection, and made a decision.
But what you seem to not be able to comprehend is the possibility that -SOME- players had the same or less observation that a paid staff of professionals who are presumably trained, expected, and is their job to spot things like this.
I agree re: punishing offenders of exploits. But you can't separate players in the same net in this case because of the magnitude of ZOS screwup.
The amount of XP awarded PER KILL was enough to get multiple levels on a single kill. At around current CP cap it was enough to award you roughly one CP per kill.
Some reported going from CP160 to 720 in a matter of minutes.
If you are too oblivious to notice this you have much bigger problems than the incoming bans.
As for QA, this was not happening on the test server, so when would they have noticed it?
The definition of exploiting is taking advantage of a bug to gain something. This is an exploit. End. of. Story.
I'll assume you've never been or have no experience with software development - that's fine and not a dig on you.
So re: "As for QA, this was not happening on the test server, so when would they have noticed it?" -
a) the test server which I presume you refer to PTS server is for the public facing audience, e.g. us (as well as QA that test in a live environment).
b) Devs, including QA, have internal staging / test / build servers - where various revisions are tested, including what used to be in the old days of actual hard copy CD-ROM sales of games the 'golden master' or final release build prior to printing out millions of copies.
c) The last PTS revision was v3.3.4. What came out on live today was v.3.3.5.
Therefore, prior to pushing out -LIVE- this revision v3.3.5, a reasonably competent dev team would have made a build of that 3.3.5 version internally, staged it somewhere, and tested it.
The reason to do full regression testing on the olden days of golden masters was obvious - back then a screw-up not caught before printing millions of CD-ROMS, packaging, etc was rather costly to correct. Now it is all digital downloads and lot easier t0 distribute fixes.
So when would they have noticed it you ask? On the last 'golden master' build they created and staged internally before doing a live push. If they did not do this, then double shame on ZOS.
re: punishing for exploiting and 'end of story' - you seem to be confusing that I agree with you that exploiting is wrong and should be punished. But what you've not adequately explained is how you separate in the same net of players those who made the connection of xp gain = exploit and those who just raced to madly farm telvar we were all just told is the shiny new resource we need.
You state and assume players would obviously notice these large xp gains that give 1 CP or more per kill. I disagree. I think it's entirely possible and logical that max cap CP players would barely notice how many CP gains they got because it has become entirely irrelevant long ago. Some would and did. Some didn't. You're excluding the possibility the latter can happen and lump everyone with the former.4 -
CountEdmondDantes✭✭✭✭It seems the Coldharbour house went on live priced 1 Crown, they forgot to change the price from the pts.
Now I wonder what will happen, are the people who bought the product for that price keeping it?
I have to say, had I seen that I'd have bought that house in a heartbeat and argued:
'Wait, what?? You mean that house wasn't 1 gold? No!!! C'mon, I was acting in good faith. I really thought, you know, Molag Bal, all the daedra, the smell ... I really thought that was the price.
I wasn't taking advantage of the Crown Store AT ALL."
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