Experience gain bugged?

Rygonix · February 2018

my classic saying is "If it seems too good to be true, that's probably because it is."

It resonates well in this situation.

Jacozilla · February 2018

nathan_bri wrote: »

Perma-bans for exploiters I say. I have zero tolerance for cheaters.

The problem with this statement, much as I agree in sentiment, is the practicality of enforcing bans for 'exploiting' when players can literally and truthfully say all they were doing is what ZOS just told them to go do.

1. ZOS introduces as major new feature --> Housing storage

2. ^^ One of the only three ways to acquire storage is via telvar - if players can't or won't buy real life money crowns, or dislike/never did crafting, then telvar farming is the option ZOS gave

3. Day 1 of launch, how reasonable is it that players who want storage would make a beeline for IC and start farming telvar? Seems pretty logical to me.

So the bottom line question is - how reasonable is it to insist players stop farming telvar because they saw they were getting lots of XP, and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?

**Edit - and no, I hadn't stepped foot in IC today. I bought all 7 storage chests/coffers with vouchers as I have 14 crafters - but the point is imo you can't enforce a ban for 'exploiting' when the net would catch players who simply went and farmed the resource ZOS just said they needed for the new storage feature.

nathan_bri · February 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

Perma-bans for exploiters I say. I have zero tolerance for cheaters.

I have 0 tolerance for people talking out of their ass but you don't see me bashing you do you?

You just did, goof.

TheValar85 · February 2018

Thommoboy wrote: »

Robvenom wrote: »

Thommoboy wrote: »

are people getting too much xp or not enough?

Not enough.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Image from a guild mate, apparently in IC the xp is 1000x

dam i wish that would stay XD

zaria · February 2018

No hurry take it at regular update tomorrow.

SheepdogPaladin wrote: »

At dark anchors (dolmens), I am not getting any experience for tagging/killing individual mobs, including the dolmen boss. I only get experience at the very end of completing the dolmen event.

I am getting experience for killing random mobs around the game world.

Think issue is that you don't get shared xp if multiple hit target or grouped.

And IC xp is a bit high

Impressive

raviour · February 2018

I was in IC sewers NA Shor for just over an hour and XP was normal, someone said it only happened on EU.

Asardes · February 2018

Yep, it seems NA was broken as well, just they didn't realize and left it to work like that for 12 hours

VaranisArano · February 2018

From the TOS:

"8. RULES OF CONDUCT
You agree not to use any Service to:
....
Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;"

So I assume that any player who noticed the exp gain was dramatically out of line with normality, reported it to ZOS as required by the TOS and then didn't take further advantage of the problem will be fine. That may be a little naive of me, of course.

Anyone who shrugged, didn't report, and kept on playing and gaining more exp that obviously intended while thinking "Well, ZOS screwed it up, I'm going to benefit from it," probably not so much.

reoskit · February 2018

raviour wrote: »

I was in IC sewers NA Shor for just over an hour and XP was normal, someone said it only happened on EU.

This thread was going strong well before EU came online.

nathan_bri · February 2018

Asardes wrote: »

Yep, it seems NA was broken as well, just they didn't realize and left it to work like that for 12 hours

The server had not been up for more than a few hours, unless the exploit began in the week hours of the night.

Angmarsky · February 2018

nathan_bri wrote: »

Perma-bans for exploiters I say. I have zero tolerance for cheaters.

Disagreed. It's not their problem. It's a problem of developers that can't install update normally (and hate european megaserver).

LadyAstrum · February 2018

How does a bug like that even happen?

nathan_bri · February 2018

Jacozilla wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

Perma-bans for exploiters I say. I have zero tolerance for cheaters.

The problem with this statement, much as I agree in sentiment, is the practicality of enforcing bans for 'exploiting' when players can literally and truthfully say all they were doing is what ZOS just told them to go do.

1. ZOS introduces as major new feature --> Housing storage

2. ^^ One of the only three ways to acquire storage is via telvar - if players can't or won't buy real life money crowns, or dislike/never did crafting, then telvar farming is the option ZOS gave

3. Day 1 of launch, how reasonable is it that players who want storage would make a beeline for IC and start farming telvar? Seems pretty logical to me.

So the bottom line question is - how reasonable is it to insist players stop farming telvar because they saw they were getting lots of XP, and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?

**Edit - and no, I hadn't stepped foot in IC today. I bought all 7 storage chests/coffers with vouchers as I have 14 crafters - but the point is imo you can't enforce a ban for 'exploiting' when the net would catch players who simply went and farmed the resource ZOS just said they needed for the new storage feature.

I stand by my statement. If someone is caught obviously cheating, then perma-ban them. If someone is just doing their thing and passively gaining a benefit of which they may not be aware, then no ban. Cheaters typically communicate with other cheaters: “Hey! Come do this thing that is exploiting the XP!” “Cool! On my way!” ZoS is handling these on a case-by-case basis, which will probably entail a review of communications by the people making use of the exploit.

An example of this would be something that happened to me a week ago. I had a Woodcrafting Survey in Rivenspire where the wood kept respawning because the map would not go away. The second time I logged out and back in to see if it would finally disappear and did not, I realized there was a bug, reported it and left the area. I would rather they fix the problem for me and for others rather than keep farming the wood for hours as an exploit.

raviour · February 2018

NA Shor was fine, took 1.2 hours to get 1.9 mil XP with a 50% XP buff, I was alone down there.

People are saying some got 0 XP while some got silly XP. Perhaps it was to do with campaign population in the instance.
If this iis the case the word 'exploit' should not be used or worried about.

Dolgubon · February 2018

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

No rollback = my money back f.u.

The NA server has been up for quite some time, with many people doing stuff related to the new patch, like buying storage containers, doing the new dungeons, etc. A rollback would hurt all of those people unnecessarily.

Sophieous · February 2018

So this issue was known for the past 6 hours on NA and you only realised it now that the EU servers are up?

And all the NA players said nothing and abused the bug u left to go out live for tons and tons of xp? for the past 6 hours? ahahahhahhahahaha

Ydrisselle · February 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We are not planning to do any rollbacks.

So don't worry.

potirondb16_ESO · February 2018

Honestly this could have been an amazing bug to let people know about ! I mean for new player who started if that information would have been wide spread they could have gotten an amazing time inside IC.

EDIT : You guys are missing amazing possibility to gain good publicity !

raviour · February 2018

NA was not bugged for XP gain in IC.

Sophieous · February 2018

raviour wrote: »

NA was not bugged for XP gain in IC.

Well it was cus this thread was created long before the EU servers were back on.

raviour · February 2018

If it was an exploit it was probably EU scumbag flag flippers going for XP not AP this time. NA players have better standards in PvP zones.

DarkAedin · February 2018

nathan_bri wrote: »

Jacozilla wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

Perma-bans for exploiters I say. I have zero tolerance for cheaters.

The problem with this statement, much as I agree in sentiment, is the practicality of enforcing bans for 'exploiting' when players can literally and truthfully say all they were doing is what ZOS just told them to go do.

1. ZOS introduces as major new feature --> Housing storage

2. ^^ One of the only three ways to acquire storage is via telvar - if players can't or won't buy real life money crowns, or dislike/never did crafting, then telvar farming is the option ZOS gave

3. Day 1 of launch, how reasonable is it that players who want storage would make a beeline for IC and start farming telvar? Seems pretty logical to me.

So the bottom line question is - how reasonable is it to insist players stop farming telvar because they saw they were getting lots of XP, and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?

**Edit - and no, I hadn't stepped foot in IC today. I bought all 7 storage chests/coffers with vouchers as I have 14 crafters - but the point is imo you can't enforce a ban for 'exploiting' when the net would catch players who simply went and farmed the resource ZOS just said they needed for the new storage feature.

I stand by my statement. If someone is caught obviously cheating, then perma-ban them. If someone is just doing their thing and passively gaining a benefit of which they may not be aware, then no ban. Cheaters typically communicate with other cheaters: “Hey! Come do this thing that is exploiting the XP!” “Cool! On my way!” ZoS is handling these on a case-by-case basis, which will probably entail a review of communications by the people making use of the exploit.

Grinding mobs in an mmo is cheating? Is it cheating to watch ur tv on ur 2nd screen while mind numbingly farming pve mobs?
How many players at max lvl are paying attention to their xp gains?
I remember when the skillpoint boss in the bangkorai group dungeon was bugged and ppl got dinged bc they were doing the normal gear farm rotation there that includes 3 of the delve bosses and the group event which are all within 50ft of each other.

This onus falls on zos, their lack of proper q&a, and using live as a beta test

Imryll · February 2018

It seems to me pretty unfair to penalize non-exploiters with a rollback rather than deal with possible exploiters individually. If I'd finally made a character face I was happy with, created an outfit I might have difficulty replicating, or completed a significant achievement, I'd be pretty unhappy losing my progress because someone else cheated. As it is, the crafting dailies coughed up the first high-value writ my character could actually craft this afternoon, and I will be majorly unhappy if I lose it.

I also feel sympathy for folks who like me, don't monitor their XP gains, and were unlucky enough to visit the IC. I think I'd notice CP popping at an unusual rate, but I never pay attention to how much xp I got for a kill.

nathan_bri · February 2018

DarkAedin wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

Jacozilla wrote: »

nathan_bri wrote: »

Perma-bans for exploiters I say. I have zero tolerance for cheaters.

The problem with this statement, much as I agree in sentiment, is the practicality of enforcing bans for 'exploiting' when players can literally and truthfully say all they were doing is what ZOS just told them to go do.

1. ZOS introduces as major new feature --> Housing storage

2. ^^ One of the only three ways to acquire storage is via telvar - if players can't or won't buy real life money crowns, or dislike/never did crafting, then telvar farming is the option ZOS gave

3. Day 1 of launch, how reasonable is it that players who want storage would make a beeline for IC and start farming telvar? Seems pretty logical to me.

So the bottom line question is - how reasonable is it to insist players stop farming telvar because they saw they were getting lots of XP, and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?

**Edit - and no, I hadn't stepped foot in IC today. I bought all 7 storage chests/coffers with vouchers as I have 14 crafters - but the point is imo you can't enforce a ban for 'exploiting' when the net would catch players who simply went and farmed the resource ZOS just said they needed for the new storage feature.

I stand by my statement. If someone is caught obviously cheating, then perma-ban them. If someone is just doing their thing and passively gaining a benefit of which they may not be aware, then no ban. Cheaters typically communicate with other cheaters: “Hey! Come do this thing that is exploiting the XP!” “Cool! On my way!” ZoS is handling these on a case-by-case basis, which will probably entail a review of communications by the people making use of the exploit.

Grinding mobs in an mmo is cheating? Is it cheating to watch ur tv on ur 2nd screen while mind numbingly farming pve mobs?
How many players at max lvl are paying attention to their xp gains?
I remember when the skillpoint boss in the bangkorai group dungeon was bugged and ppl got dinged bc they were doing the normal gear farm rotation there that includes 3 of the delve bosses and the group event which are all within 50ft of each other.

This onus falls on zos, their lack of proper q&a, and using live as a beta test

If you read what I wrote instead of knee-jerk responding to the first sentence, you’ll see I covered this.

zaria · February 2018

LadyAstrum wrote: »

How does a bug like that even happen?

It require skill.
In gameplay term think wiping over and over on first trash in wayrest 1.

Not all have any idea that they are doing, note that my worst examples of total incompetence is not from pugs, its from IT management outsourced to India. You expect people who are employed to manage servers are able to open an zip file and copy content to an directory.

SydneyGrey · February 2018

Jacozilla wrote: »

.... and even more important - when you're already past CP cap, how many players even bother to pay attention to the +XP messages?

This. I haven't been in IC today, but I'm CP 690 and don't pay attention to XP any more. If I'd been there on my usual (not new) characters, it would have been a good long while before I'd noticed I was getting huge amounts of XP. It would make me sick to my stomach to be banned for something I didn't even notice was happening.
So thank God I wasn't in IC today.

SydneyGrey · February 2018

Sophieous wrote: »

So this issue was known for the past 6 hours on NA and you only realised it now that the EU servers are up?
And all the NA players said nothing and abused the bug u left to go out live for tons and tons of xp? for the past 6 hours? ahahahhahhahahaha

Um, you realize not all of us have been playing all day, right?
I've only been able to play for 20 minutes today before they took the servers down again. Not everyone has been playing ESO every second since the patch went live.
And no, I wasn't in IC today, by the way.

Vahrokh · February 2018

I am maxed CPs, so when I play I don't look at XP at all. If I had played today, I'd never notice I was gaining so much exp...
makes me feel bad that one day I could get banned because I did not check these things.

Marabornwingrion · February 2018

I did daily writs on one character and I got 19k XP for it. I hope I won't get banned lol

Stiffmeisterr · February 2018

Does anyone remember the World Of Warcraft incident where people got sick/died in (forget dwarf city). There was that bug where people came out of a dungeon and the disease did not wear off. This caused the disease to spread in the WoW world. ONe thing that was not considered was people going to the location to see it for themselves. I'm sure with chat/friends that others went to try this exploit for themselves and see if it were true.

So my opinion...not everyone should be banned for curiosity.

Hopefully this is not the case in a real life zombie apocalypse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident