Want to Nerf Something? How About Snares?

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Seriously. Why tf is there a snare on damn near everything on the game? Both in PvE and PvP. Yes, I’m fully aware that movement speed is both crucial and critical in almost every engagement, but enough already. There’s a snare damn near attached to everything.

Inb4 someone says, “Lrn2play.” or “Gitgud.” How about we ZOS devs stop being lazy, and attaching snares to things that they don’t need to be attached upon? How about that? We all lovely to ask for this as that skill to be nerfed, because 9x out of 10 you died to it within a PvP-based environment or situation. How about we start nerfing things of real importance, such as: Lag, snares, and other unneeded bs? How about that? Oh, and I almost forgot. Just telling people to purge it away isn’t the answer either. Movement speed de-buffs should not be the looming factor in damn near every engagement you make with enemy. Whether it be NPC or opposing player.

And by the way, ZOS... You thought you were real slick with that Warden passive of reducing snare effects. N’ah. I peeped that from the jump. I already knew what time it was when I saw that. I already knew the score with ole’ Wrobel n’ crew.

Gilvoth · February 2018

agreed.
please remove snares AND roots from the game completely.

davey1107 · February 2018

There are waaaaaaaaaay too many snares and snare-like things right now. My guess is that as players got tankier and tankier they realized there was a rising need for slowing and holding them down to get the kills. So they kept adding more snares.

But it’s really uncomfortable gameplay. Partially because it’s often hard to tell if you’re being snared by a legitimate intended mechanic, or if the game is malfunctioning. At times in PvP my character goes to flee and he won’t cloak, but he also won’t come out of sneak and moves at like 1/3rd of sneak speed. Is this intended? On the one hand, perhaps I’ve been hit with a slowing poison or a snare or both. On the other, I don’t understand why I’m getting stuck in sneak.

Then when they implement it in PvE it’s annoying as flip. If it’s a dungeon or trial mechanic, fine. But giving all the rando mobs in clockwork city the hard snares...so annoying and unnecessary.

Wrubius_Coronaria · February 2018

We're still able to move a bit while snared. So snares need to buffed.

Seriously, I agree with your statement, snares really need to be nerfed. They are pain and are an important problem actually. The majority of skills for remove snares cost too much (almost 4k stamina for shuffle), but the lack of snare immunity is also a issue. And it's really too easy snare others players. (major and minor system for snares without a immunity cooldown will change absolutely nothing).
Coming from severals players at the same time, it remove completly all possibilities to move during a fight. Hence it makes large groups stronger and escape even more complicated.

Darkestnght · February 2018

I think part of it could be that immovable pots help with some of these situations. If you want immovable pots it either cost you time to gather the ingredients or gold/AP to buy them. ZOS loves this as it keeps you engaged in the game even longer. All these little micro engagements of many sorts can add up to quite a few hours, more opportunity for someone online playing to possible buy something from the crown store. Just a thought.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Wait a minute. Waaaaait a f’ing minute. There once was a champion point tree that decreased the effects of: Fear, snares, etc. Matter of a fact, it was the old Ironclad in the Steed tree.

Actually... Even more coincidental... Right around the same time that a lot of things had snares attached to them, and when more and more people started having problems with people fearing them the Ironclad passive was changed. Ironically enough, this was also around the time that everyone began rolling Nightblades (remember the “CakeBlade” tsunami?).

@ZOS_Wrobel mind explaining? Please tell me you have an intelligent and logical explaination for this. I’m begging you. PLEASE! Please tell me you have a reason for the entire removal of the ability to decrease the effects of things like: Fear, snares, etc.?

xaraan · February 2018

Yeah, one of the dumbest combat changes in the game when they started adding them to like every sort of attack. And makes things that are supposed to actually snare much less valuable.

AbysmalGhul · February 2018

You "literally" can't walk around in Vvardenfell without feeling the wrath of snares and root effects.

Jhalin · February 2018

I want to get rid of snares/slows in every game because honestly I'd rather just be hard cc'd than be stuck walking at a snails pace for five seconds

Niobium · February 2018

On top of that, I'd like to see "Pin" from enemy NPC's at least allow rotation on the spot while pinned. It's annoying being shot in the back, facing away from a mob that has me pinned and I can't even turn around and shoot them back.

supaskrub · February 2018

I have to agree, snares in this game are overboard, there are way too many of them. I'm not asking to have them removed or nerfed even, but ffs just tone down the number of them in pve.. Kind of expect them in pvp but theres just too many in general overland pve gameplay and they are downright annoying.

Sixty5 · February 2018

Snares shouldn't be something that you just tack onto a skill in order to buff it.

You are taking away agency from the players, and shoehorning people towards running specific setups.

Snares do have an important part to play in the game, but I feel like they should be their own specific thing, rather than a tacked on part of a skill.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

I just want to know why tf so many snares were added, when you went and removed the CP passive that allowed the players to tune down the effects received from them. Come tf on, bruh. There’s no way anyone can tell me that it wasn’t intentional. I understand that they wanted to rework the CP system, but damn it man. You go and remove something as crucial as that? Then turn around and throw snares everywhere? N’ah, that’s screwed up.

MetalHead4x4 · February 2018

I agree, certain snares make sense, icy reach, traps, roots, but it seems every single class has some kind of snare. Instead, give classes whose snares make no sense a break free or counter to them. Make it where each class has a more wide variance in attacks and counters. We don't all need the same things.

HorrorShow · February 2018

Not sure what you all are complaining about.

The best part of any video game is when you have less control of your character.

Stuns/snares/knockdowns/keep em coming!

I want to spend as much time as possible not able to do anything in the game so that I can enjoy a drink and snack.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

HorrorShow wrote: »

Not sure what you all are complaining about.

The best part of any video game is when you have less control of your character.

Stuns/snares/knockdowns/keep em coming!

I want to spend as much time as possible not able to do anything in the game so that I can enjoy a drink and snack.

Mickydanz · February 2018

100% agree snares are shoehorning builds. I don't understand the love of spammable snares in this game, it really slows down combat. You do get use to the play style but that doesn't mean its fun to play.

Would love to see an snare Ragnarok where only certain skills gave this debuff, or X amount of snares triggers hard CC so you can break free. I do run shuffle just for the snare removal, I don't care about the dodge chance. This is a lot more annoying on a magica character who doesn't have 5 medium or run forward momentum.

The games combat would be a lot more fluent and enjoyable.

Ramber · February 2018

I don't use snares at all, i think that are a cheap way to play and they are a problem in PvP i have to build my characters around them because i have to spend most of my resources getting out of them.... yeah how about enough already? pull back a bit on the multiple snares spamming i get from some people or small groups in PvP?

klowdy1 · February 2018

It doesn't help an entire line of DK skills snare.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

klowdy1 wrote: »

It doesn't help an entire line of DK skills snare.

That speaks volumes.

Integral1900 · February 2018

Even skevers have a slowing effect, why in sanity’s name does getting clouted by some rats floppy tail mean I have to walk round at half speed!?

Twenty0zTsunami · February 2018

Integral1900 wrote: »

Even skevers have a slowing effect, why in sanity’s name does getting clouted by some rats floppy tail mean I have to walk round at half speed!?

why does anything mean anything? Because it's a mechanic of the game. QQ.

Twenty0zTsunami · February 2018

lol no.

Mannix1958 · February 2018

Yeah... let's remove snares....and while we are at it... stuns gotta go as well. Taking damage...that sux too...change it. In fact riding...I hate it...things need to come to me and fall dead at my feet heaping treasures and glory upon me.

SoLooney · February 2018

my only grief is every damn add in the game all having the ability to snare you. literally one light attack from some grunt add and im so slowed

Cinbri · February 2018

I dont mind remove of 70% snare from jabs and it to damage part, making it 210% to closest target.

Dojohoda · February 2018

Nerf snares!

My favorite disabling effects is when you are knocked flat on the ground and you can slide around. That's loads of fun!!

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2018

yeah...im so sick of 60-70% unremovable snares unless ur a godplar

Jura23 · February 2018

They should remove snares from open world mobs, its annoying when you ride somewhere and they slow you down.

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

Even skevers have a slowing effect, why in sanity’s name does getting clouted by some rats floppy tail mean I have to walk round at half speed!?

why does anything mean anything? Because it's a mechanic of the game. QQ.

Are you legitimately defending snares being applied from a damn tiny creature’s attack? Are you trolling, or serious?

LadyNalcarya · February 2018

I dont think they should be removed completely, but the amount of cc is annoying.
They even added those to CwC mobs, which doesnt even make them difficult, but its really frustrating when cc break from a "dancing spider" and "in-combat" state after killing it lasts more than the spider itself.