[PC NA] Why can't AD win?

Jadokis · February 2018

Xandria72 wrote: »

I guess it depends which campaign. As a newish player in PVP, my main's home campaign is Sotha Sil, and it seems to me that AD is always winning, so much so that I will switch to Vivec when it's not locked or an alt for Kyne or Shor (all my toons are AD).

I've found toxic chat and infighting in every campaign, but there's also a lot of great players who just want to have fun. I've found a lot of these people rarely if ever participate in the zone chat, and so I've learned the best way to find like-minded players is to simply play the map and follow the fights. I've been pleasantly surprised at how many people have invited me to group up, and I've always had a great time. From them I've learned to get the right impen gear, the right weapon traits, and it's made me a much better player, though by no means a great one.

I respect the players who focus hard on winning, I like winning too and will do what I can if I have the time, but PVP isn't my main interest in ESO. When I am in Cyro, sometimes I play a stealthy solo bow build, sometimes I focus on keep defense, sometimes I spend a few hours running with a group to take resources and fight hard battles, and sometimes I just want to solo PVE or spend time in the Imperial City and don't pay attention to the map. If someone thinks that's not good enough, well too bad. That's their problem not mine.

Anyway, all that to say that while I'm too new to comment on what AD should or shouldn't do as a faction, I see a lot of threads talking about the negativity, but I also see a lot of people quietly leading by example and inspiring people to become better players. It's terrific, and I wish AD had more of this in the zone chat. It's these players who make PVP a great experience IMO, especially for new or causal PVPers.

Doing that on sotha doesn't matter because the population is so imbalanced anyway. When you take that attitude to Vivec you're literally the problem. Please don't. How you play and what you do in Vivec currently matters, and if you think you don't matter then just make sure you do whatever you're doing on another campaign.

Ley · February 2018

IMO the failure or success of any faction depends almost entirely on consistently having good leadership available during most/all of the day. You can somewhat predict which faction will have map supremacy (point advantage) depending on the time of day. Certain guilds will play during certain hours and organize that faction into an effective fighting force for that time.

That being said, it seems to me like AD just doesn't have as much up-time of effective leadership throughout the average day.

Can not defend a keep if their mothers life depended on it.
- Unfortunately defending keeps is not an effective way to gain a point advantage.
Will leave resources red/blue for hours.
- Controlling resources during point eval time is extremely important for your faction score. This is probably a factor.
Does not have competent leadership from any of their zerg guilds. (DD,TD,DK)
- Probably the most significant factor IMO, as stated above.
Constantly blames "Team Purple", "CE", "Pop cap exploit".
- Every alliance does this. Probably not a factor.
Would rather ERP in Zone chat than play the game.
- Every alliance does this. Probably not a factor.
Telel has the only group on the map, every single day. /s
- Assuming this is sarcasm (/s), not sure who telel is anyways.
Does not believe in the use of Forward Camps.
- While forward camps can be incredibly valuable at times. The need for one is often indicative of a losing fight. Sometimes it is more effective to just assault a different objective, rather than continue to fight a losing battle. You can lose a fight but still win the war, by cutting off transit and bursting strategic keeps that the enemy could use for a blood port.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters as far as your faction campaign score. Is how many objectives your faction has during eval time. You can lose all of those objectives two seconds after eval and it doesn't matter.

Kartalin · February 2018

Biggest problem I've seen is we've lost a lot of talented players to other factions over the years. One reason for that is they see the AD pugs and decide they'd rather farm them than have to try to play alongside them (which can admittedly be frustrating). Really appreciate that over recent months we've seen a few groups from other factions (mainly DC) trying to play on AD at least part of the time to help balance things a bit.

Prince_of_all_Pugs · February 2018

Im going to be 100 percent honest, its really cause of 2 things

1) ad wont work together with each other. Alot of the guild leaders hate each other and are very salty and wont work with each other even if they are facing crushing defeat.

2) AD lacks elite forces who actually care about the map and the campaign and the faction. this morale issue seriously hurts our ability to defend and take things.

Minalan · February 2018

Slick_007 wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

please enlighten us to the current scores in vivec and sotha campaigns.

sotha sil:
AD 31831
DC 24953
EP 23570

cant currently bring up vivec scores but last i saw it was something similar

so why cant AD win? they are. in 2 campaigns at least

Lets be honest. Sotha Sil is where many go to play while waiting for the 180+ Vivek queue to pop on weekends. When it does, I’m gone. Even in the middle of a fight, if it pops I take it, because I really don’t want to be there.

Ixtyr · February 2018

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

Satiar · February 2018

I’m offended by Zheg’s sleeping schedule

Ixtyr · February 2018

Satiar wrote: »

I’m offended by Zheg’s sleeping schedule

We all are, Steve. It's the lack of protein. Man was not meant to feast upon seaweed and lentils every day, it's unnatural.

antihero727 · February 2018

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

Prince_of_all_Pugs · February 2018

The ad victory in sotha sil is more about the lack of enemies more than the power of ad. Sotha sil is currently an AD BUFF server, and the few ep that regularly play there are all peasants. You routinely here in zone chat there " HOW DO I UNFLAG FOR PVP IN CRYODIIL", "HOW DO I GET OUT", CHALMAN LOST TO 3 AD, there was only a few of us defending", as well as them literally begging for EP guilds to come over to carry them. IF any good EP or DC guild homed there sotha sil would fall in a day.

Dyride · February 2018

Pretty sure you couldn't make it through EP's queue in an hour during primetime...

A_G_G_R_O · February 2018

Too much EP?

Joy_Division · February 2018

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

antihero727 · February 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

There are many factors but in end it happened. There was a population drop in AD, @names that were AD were now EP and pushing south. I didn’t say it was organized but it happened. It’s just the way the game is going this cycle. Please tin foil hat, not every AD has one.

Nihility42 · February 2018

JobooAGS wrote: »

efster wrote: »

Slick_007 wrote: »

regardless, AD are crushing it in sotha. make all the excuses you want for the other two factions, but they are being beaten. So yeh, AD can win

That's your argument? lmao

The fact is that AD has not won the only actual competitive campaign on the PC NA server in almost a year. A bunch of people are here in this thread trying to discuss why this is the case. "But look at Sotha Sil!" is not really a valid argument in that context, but generally speaking, yes, you're right. Maybe we can get those AD from Sotha Sil to come win Vivec for us.

There is a reason why people play no cp...

Because we enjoy the high skill level without CP as a crutch?

Just kidding, it's because I suck.

pzschrek · February 2018

antihero727 wrote: »

Please tin foil hat, not every AD has one.

I've been in AD zone chat, I know better. FAKE NEWS.

booksmcread · February 2018

Jadokis · February 2018

antihero727 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

There are many factors but in end it happened. There was a population drop in AD, @names that were AD were now EP and pushing south. I didn’t say it was organized but it happened. It’s just the way the game is going this cycle. Please tin foil hat, not every AD has one.

Where's your proof?

If it seemed like there weren't as many AD on after the emp cap than before, it's probably because as someone pointed out a large AD guild let their personal feelings be more important than playing for the faction. I know there was a guild that got in at the tail end of the emp dethrone because they were waiting in queue, so I don't see where you're getting a population drop from? If you mean after the emp dethrone, it's normal for people to take a break after that.

antihero727 · February 2018

Jadokis wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

There are many factors but in end it happened. There was a population drop in AD, @names that were AD were now EP and pushing south. I didn’t say it was organized but it happened. It’s just the way the game is going this cycle. Please tin foil hat, not every AD has one.

Where's your proof?

If it seemed like there weren't as many AD on after the emp cap than before, it's probably because as someone pointed out a large AD guild let their personal feelings be more important than playing for the faction. I know there was a guild that got in at the tail end of the emp dethrone because they were waiting in queue, so I don't see where you're getting a population drop from? If you mean after the emp dethrone, it's normal for people to take a break after that.

Proof? Like there are consequences for doing this or I am on a witch hunt for a leader of the conspiracy. Your missing the point and making this about something it’s not. Pugs flow to the path of least resistance and that’s what happened. It’s funny how quickly everyone is trying to defend this when they probably weren’t involved. With the caps at less than 150 each now 25 pugs switching sides is notable. Keep throwing jabs but IDK why you think it didn’t happen.

Jadokis · February 2018

antihero727 wrote: »

Jadokis wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

There are many factors but in end it happened. There was a population drop in AD, @names that were AD were now EP and pushing south. I didn’t say it was organized but it happened. It’s just the way the game is going this cycle. Please tin foil hat, not every AD has one.

Where's your proof?

If it seemed like there weren't as many AD on after the emp cap than before, it's probably because as someone pointed out a large AD guild let their personal feelings be more important than playing for the faction. I know there was a guild that got in at the tail end of the emp dethrone because they were waiting in queue, so I don't see where you're getting a population drop from? If you mean after the emp dethrone, it's normal for people to take a break after that.

Proof? Like there are consequences for doing this or I am on a witch hunt for a leader of the conspiracy. Your missing the point and making this about something it’s not. Pugs flow to the path of least resistance and that’s what happened. It’s funny how quickly everyone is trying to defend this when they probably weren’t involved. With the caps at less than 150 each now 25 pugs switching sides is notable. Keep throwing jabs but IDK why you think it didn’t happen.

I was in one of the groups that capped emp and helped defend. Where were you? You're just making garbage up cause you can't come up with a reason for why you lost other than some conspiracy theory, just like the people on AD who think anytime they lose the other players are cheating.

Pugs don't give enough of a *** to switch sides honestly, and they're not going to get through an EP queue in that time. Also, assuming any of them did switch it makes literally zero difference because AD had a notable queue at that time so anyone who left instantly had their spot filled in.

Rin_Senya · February 2018

antihero727 wrote: »

With the caps at less than 150 each now 25 pugs switching sides is notable

Sounds legit

Ghostbane · February 2018

Rin_Senya wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

With the caps at less than 150 each now 25 pugs switching sides is notable

Sounds legit

New desktop wallpaper. ty

Prince_of_all_Pugs · February 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

This guild is dominion knights, and its leader is extremely petty and Toxic.

fastolfv_ESO · February 2018

wait a minute wasnt it pretty clear in the last AD sucks thread that they actually have more primetime guilds than ep and dc? hell you wanna complain about primetime grps out play dc, We got 2 max. AD does seem to have an issue with morning numbers, but really the problem is one really bad dc guild trying to form 3 raids to pvdoor the map together, take all the scrolls, and generally screw the map up

Elong · February 2018

Those filthy cross faction spais, they're ruining the game!!!!11!!1!!

trustcotraptb14_ESO · February 2018

Jadokis wrote: »

I guess it depends which campaign.

There is only 1 campaign that matters, the main event is Vivec. Period.

Anyone in this thread talking about "Sotha Sil" is a non-factor and completely irrelevant.

Elong wrote: »

Those filthy cross faction spais, they're ruining the game!!!!11!!1!!

How could I forget SPAIS, this is the real reason why AD can't win! Not enough faction loyalty RPers in AD to seal the deal.

kyle.wilson · February 2018

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Realistically I think it’s 1 part lack of a strong guilds , and from my experience, every 3rd player is a sniper.

I'm not sure if your saying AD is 1/3 snipers or acknowledging the massive number across all factions.
Because, I know at least 2 snipe spamming grand overlords on DC PC/NA and 1 that's close.
This morning I couldn't peak over the edge of a keep wall without being snip spammed by the DC zerg.

Anazasi · February 2018

Prince_of_all_Pugs wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Faction loyalty was thrown out the windows with one Tamriel. Last night at prime time I watched as AD pushed emp with EP alts then switched back to EP and steamrolled the map within an hour. Honestly what’s the point of map pushing anymore with stuff like this going on. Just like a parent I am not mad I am disappointed.

What are you even talking about? If this is in reference to my guild, even partially, that's not even remotely true. We're AD mains now, rerolled from DC, not EP, and we pushed for AD all night until we shut down group. From what a few of my guildmates told me, after we logged the map started falling apart, but that had nothing to do with people swapping alts to lead a coordinated anti-AD push. It's just the few remotely decent groups the faction has logging off for the night. My apologies if you're offended by East Coasters with jobs and families wanting to go to sleep at a reasonable hour, but for effs sake, not everything is a conspiracy.

I am so offended. It is not a conspiracy theory I use @names not toon names so I see who is who. Did I blame any specific guild or individual? What I wrote was an observation not a theory. It might not have been organized but the results were the same. Shortly after emp there was a 15 min window where AD went 3 bar and then the map turned red with @names that were on AD less than a hour before. It’s the way ZOS wants the game to be played when they made the faction lock changes. Imo it’s actually not a bad idea to push and switch sides as far as AP is concerned. I would be down if it kept 50% of all this drama down. Let’s unite to fight the real enemie, lag, load screens and buged stuff.

That's not what happened.

The weakest faction whose guilds do not cooperate with each other got emperor and thus the inevitable (and correct, not complaining) double-team. While emp keeps and home keeps were falling, 18 AD siege goes up on Fort Warden. This guild wanted to screw over the current Emperor for reasons and with all that nonsense going on, there was nothing to stop an already pop-locked EP faction (the idea that AD alts logged off is tin foil hat. You see one or two @ names who waited in a 50 que huh, so that means everyone did it...right...) that just rolled the map.

If you want to keep the drama down and unite to fight the "real" enemies, you're doing a bad job.

This guild is dominion knights, and its leader is extremely petty and Toxic.

No clue what you are even talking about. It's always best to keep me out of this crap.

Akinos · February 2018

Kartalin wrote: »

Biggest problem I've seen is we've lost a lot of talented players to other factions over the years.

Yes, every faction has lost its share of good, known players. However that doesn't mean there isn't any newer good players coming in. I've encountered numerous decent to good players on AD, some of which are lower rank/not max CP and some names I've never seen before and have good fights with them.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

AD past prime time raids and Asia/Pacific/Oceanic prime time raids DO NOT have organization to take on even 10-12 men farm groups. And those farm groups usually just take a keep or two as well. This is why AD loses. We have not had any strong raids for a while in these long period of time in between those two prime times. Sad, but it is what it is. Hard for me to take on 10-12 men groups with 3-4 ADs that have really bad build which is fairly visible or their lack of usage of defensive skills. So yeah, keep hoping and trying I guess.