JackDaniell wrote: »

So, at this point its just plain ridiculous. The lag is so bad that i wouldn't even recommend logging in during prime time. I lag in PvE, I lag in PvP, I lag in SOLO INSTANCES.
Lot's of past games have risen and fallen due to the developers ignoring this basic component of an online game.

I recently watched a video on why Pokemon GO died, and all it did was give me bad gut feeling about where ESO is going.

In the video the key reasons were as follows:
1. Lag and server issues, not getting addressed or fixed and no official comments that fixes are coming or false promises.
2. Prioritization of New content over fixing currently broken content.

This sounds eerily like modern day ESO. Watching the game I love so much get mistreaed this way is very frustrating and does not refelct well for my favorite games future.
So please Zenimax, take this warning! ESO NEEDS TO RUN SMOOTHLY FIRST! LISTEN TO YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS! Even a recent poll on the forums showed that 90% of voters would rather have lag/bug fixes instead of new BROKEN content.

Here's a link to the video, I recommend the watch as its really well made and nails allot of key points Zenimax should be listening to.

https://youtu.be/4odH8jDk-sg

Lag? There is no lag, no crashing, no load screens don't worry according to ZOS everything is working as intended

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Tracert and pingploter do not show accurate routing data, all they show is the nodes your sending packets to will accept ICMP Time Exceeded Code ICMP packets. Hops that say “request timed out” just mean they are set to filter(drop) ICMP Time Exceeded codes. In fact ICMP isn’t even a reliable indicator if a service is up or down.

For NA, this is a lot more true. The route is obscured after a certain point. I find that route detection works much better with the EU server, at least the last time I tried.

Still, they can be used on both megaservers, to a limited degree, to tell if there are route problems where routing and timing information is still available. For NA, one has to remember that information is lost once the route dives into the black hole that is DoS mitigation. Up to that point, I find that trace route generally works.

For determining whether the service is up or down, it is pretty much ineffective.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

There is a reason trials are capped at 12 people, dungeons at 4, and Battle Grounds at three 4 man teams(12 people) Cyrodiil is a lost cause at this point. Nothing short of a complete re-write of the game engine both server and client side will ever make Cyrodiil function as it should with its 24 man group size and 80 people stacking at keeps whole 16-24 man raids layer PBAOE on zergs of people.

I am inclined to agree with assessments like this. I do not think they are working on Cyrodiil lag anymore. I think they know precisely what needs to be fixed, and it isn't going to be fixed. They have written it off for this game. I figure that this will be fixed in ZOS Engine 2.0.

I suppose they could leave this unfixed in ZOS Engine 2.0. They might figure that ESO was successful, even with broken large scale PVP. If they can just repeat the success of ESO with Game #2, they might be able to skate by without fixing it.

lordrichter wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Would be helpful to say what platform and server you are on. Maybe even where you are, too.

Just have to look at the technical threads and all the countless amount of lag threads to establish that it doesnt matter its xbone, ps4 or pc or if its na or eu.... Its bad on ALL of them

Sure it does. The problem is not always the server, even though people laugh at that idea. Sometimes, people just have a crappy path to the server.

The OP talks about PVE lag and in solo instances. "I lag in PvE, I lag in PvP, I lag in SOLO INSTANCES." On PC NA, I don't get lag anywhere like that in PVE. I never get crippling lag. I am on PCNA, not on the west coast, so maybe that is something.

I don't doubt that they need to fix their servers. I just don't run to that excuse every time someone complains about lag.

Agreed.

Yesterday I had occasion to play ESO on both my computers, separately, and they're very similarly specced machines except for the graphics cards. My main gaming machine with the better card provided the same flawless performance I always get in PvE (I don't PvP), while my secondary machine with the lesser card and on slightly lower settings ran the game flawlessly in the open world but lagged significantly as soon as I entered a populated place like Vulkhels Guard or Daggerfall.

Quite apart from addons (I don't use any at all), the user's system has a major impact on performance. I'd be interested to know, for example, how people's experience of performance in ESO using Windows 10 compares to when they were using either Windows 7 or 8.1? I remain to be convinced that Windows 10 is a gaming OS. Has anyone rolled it back to their previous OS and seen any difference?

It's commonly accepted that a wired internet connection will give a far more consistent performance than a wireless one. It's also been well documented that there have been a lot of networking issues impacting on game performance especially in NA (where it's commonly stated by NA gamers that their internet services are generally inferior). These are all things that ZOS have no control over.

I don't doubt for a moment that the game servers could benefit from some upgrading and optimisation, and I believe that's being worked on constantly, but I don't accept for a moment that it's all down to the servers. The fact that the lag I experienced yesterday (and I appreciate "lag" isn't always the right term but it's the one everyone uses regardless so we all know what is meant by it) totally disappeared when I switched to a slightly better machine demonstrates that there's a lot many players can do at their end to improve performance. It might be a solution, it might only be a workaround, but if it improves performance then it's worth investigating.

Dont wanna be a party pooper but from my eso experience, only people with underaverage connection quality experience lags. Im not much of a pvper either but the time I did spend in Cyrodiil was quite alright. Some fps drops but thats about it. I cant recall one time I experienced connection lags in pve or around the map. My latency is always between 50 and 100ms.

JackDaniell wrote: »

So, at this point its just plain ridiculous. The lag is so bad that i wouldn't even recommend logging in during prime time. I lag in PvE, I lag in PvP, I lag in SOLO INSTANCES.
Lot's of past games have risen and fallen due to the developers ignoring this basic component of an online game.

I recently watched a video on why Pokemon GO died, and all it did was give me bad gut feeling about where ESO is going.

In the video the key reasons were as follows:
1. Lag and server issues, not getting addressed or fixed and no official comments that fixes are coming or false promises.
2. Prioritization of New content over fixing currently broken content.

This sounds eerily like modern day ESO. Watching the game I love so much get mistreaed this way is very frustrating and does not refelct well for my favorite games future.
So please Zenimax, take this warning! ESO NEEDS TO RUN SMOOTHLY FIRST! LISTEN TO YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS! Even a recent poll on the forums showed that 90% of voters would rather have lag/bug fixes instead of new BROKEN content.

Here's a link to the video, I recommend the watch as its really well made and nails allot of key points Zenimax should be listening to.

https://youtu.be/4odH8jDk-sg

bump to keep this at the top of the forum

It’s not just the lag but also the random disconnects. Our tank got disconnected half way through tanking the serpent in SO last weekend. That didn’t end well for the group.

I think it may be SLIGHTLY better with the AOE caps removed and the big thing where 32 bit systems are getting the boot. but the overall game performance when not walking around doing zone quests is so poor. I wish they really would just crack down on it. I know about a lot of the coding issues the game has and I know it will cost a lot of money but grow some balls suck it up and hire a 3rd party dev team to help. spend some of that money bethesda got from the last lawsuit

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Maybe it is a laggy type of death.

Are you saying that the death hasn’t caught up to people’s monitor yet because…ya know…lag?

Congratulations to all you with absolutely zero game performance issues <darn Richies with their perfect internets!>!...but the game doesn’t perform the same for everyone at all times. In fact, some might say that game performance has significantly changed over the life of ESO. For me, it got much, much worse. PVP has always trailed PVE in terms of performance for me and often ‘behaved’ as its own unique animal <who isn’t shocked once and a while from instant death?; or trying piece it together from the death recap every now and again?>. The time to take a break moment for me was when performance issue crept into small group content to where the ‘tells’ to react to frequently never displayed. Latency has always been rather poor, but to see 999 spikes while doing nothing and nowhere near other players….

The reason lag goes unreported is because those that experience lag are so often not believed. The people telling their lag stories need to be unconditionally supported and believed. That is the only way that we can change ESO to be lag free.

#me,also

Well i don't consider myself rich, i live in a two bedroom apartment with my son. and yes a decent computer computer. but if having a decent computer makes the game run better.......... i think you get it now..... its not just the games fault?


EDIT: well on PC anyways, consoles have there own problems. but that's the consoles fault really.