LiquidPony wrote: »

I like the non-combat rank 1 racial passives (e.g., Khajiit pickpocketing, Imperial gold gain, Argonian swim speed) ... and in fact think there should be more of those.

However, the combat passives should be moved into a sort of "profession" or "specialization" system. The current racial passive system is silly and limiting, and also leads to a "P2W" discussion as min-maxers have to pay to race change characters every patch or two or roll new characters.

Yeh, would like to see these racials converted into something that you describe, something that let us play the characters we want, from a roleplaying/preference point of view, but still feel that we're not hurting our performance in combat etc.

OP, I understand where you are coming from, but... IMHO that is not the proper solution. However, I agree that some of the racial passives are ill-conceived/misplaced and changes are needed.

I do feel that the weapon you level fastest should be selectable, as it has been that way in past games. The racial passives, though, are meant to portray the very real difference some of these races have from one another lore-wise and need to be left intact.

Racial Bonuses are a feature of Elder Scrolls game. Some of them have major gameplay impacts, like Dunmer fire resistance in Morrowind or Nord frost resistance in Syrim. Some have changed from game to game - Altmer are no longer weak to the elements, but usually start with a large bonus to magicka.

In ESO, the racial bonuses don't make a huge difference outside of top-tier DPS tests or making your life somewhat easier in PVP. Short of trying to eke out those last little percentages, racial bonuses won't prevent you from completing ALL of the game content with any class, provided you have the player skill to pull it off.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Racial Bonuses are a feature of Elder Scrolls game. Some of them have major gameplay impacts, like Dunmer fire resistance in Morrowind or Nord frost resistance in Syrim. Some have changed from game to game - Altmer are no longer weak to the elements, but usually start with a large bonus to magicka.

In ESO, the racial bonuses don't make a huge difference outside of top-tier DPS tests or making your life somewhat easier in PVP. Short of trying to eke out those last little percentages, racial bonuses won't prevent you from completing ALL of the game content with any class, provided you have the player skill to pull it off.

Hm, tbh, I think the racial passives are quite impactful, I mean, we get 10-12% boosts to stamina/magicka/HP, we get large recovery boosts etc.

To me these passives are more than just flavor, they very much impact my choice if I'm going for an optimal build, and I love making builds, but I love RP/character themes just as much.
For instance, right now I'm playing a magicka ice warden with Nord as the race. Hardly a race made for magicka damage, but I'd love for him to be able to be that.

I guess I'm trying to say that not all in the same race are built for the same destiny, and they might have different strengths and aptitudes.

Play Like We Want?

Why not have racials be seperate from race, let Dark elves have imperial passives or khajiit have redguard and etc. You just cannot mix amd match, ie having argonian potion passive with altmer regen and breton cost reduction

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Play Like We Want?

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Racial affinities are essential to the way races work in TES, and shouldn't be removed entirely.

I do however think ZOS went overboard with it, the current racial passives should be reduced, maybe halved, and merged into either 1 permanent racial trait or a 3 step racial trait that contains some but not all of the currently spread out racials.
And the removed bonuses moved to character customization.

JobooAGS wrote: »

Why not have racials be seperate from race, let Dark elves have imperial passives or khajiit have redguard and etc. You just cannot mix amd match, ie having argonian potion passive with altmer regen and breton cost reduction

Yeh, definitely the best way to implement this. This way it literally breaks nothing, as the only thing that would change is your background/looks/how NPCs address you etc.

Hey, notice how they don't have different stats for males and females? Yet they do for races...

So, Zenimax isn't sexist... they're just racist.

Interesting.

EDIT: This is a joke. Please don't take it literally.

idk wrote: »

Zos had a similar idea but decided to scrap it.

The original proposed solution to race change was to only change passives and not the character appearance.

In the end Zos chose to keep passives tied to the appearance of the character. So in the end, it's extremely doubdtful they will decouple passives from the race. Doesn't make much sense to do so anyhow even though it would be another source for selling criowns.

I think there's good reasons for de-coupling it. I mean, it's not unthinkable to have super strong elves with a lot of grit, or magically adept orcs.

Leave as is. The racial differentiation in this game is a nice wrinkle and one of the many aspects that makes ESO special.

Tasear wrote: »

Nah it would ruin immersion

You can have immersion even if you define your own racial "pack". I think the current system actually counts a gainst immersion.