are warden beetles overperforming/overpowered?

Abysswarrior45 · February 2018

other

Just fix them being able to hit through walls and they're fine.

Olupajmibanan · February 2018

no

I am warden myself. When you play a lot of Battlegrounds (I don't consider Cyrodiil a worthy reference) you realize that Scorch isn't that good as you might think. Yes, you instakill someone if you catch him off guard, but you do that with pretty much any class. But experienced players know how to counter Scorch with either moving trough my character (to take advantage of latency) or using knockbacks such as Flame Clench or Templar Javelin. Well-timed cc + strifing is another commonly used option.

As the time passes, people learn how to play against wardens and Scorch is starting to be Dizzy Swing-like. Hard to land on experienced players.

MjolnirVilkas · February 2018

no

Aisle9 wrote: »

Here's a visual representation of a warden trying to kill you with beetuls:

- Here I come, wait for it...
- Alright.
- Wait for it...
- Take your time.
- Wait for it...
- *light smoke*
- INCINERATION BEEEETULS!

haha the INCINERATION BEEEETULS! made laugh out loud.

ON TOPIC: No, it's not OP, it's the only thing stam DPS Wardens got going for them. Right now they can at least be considered for vetTrials as DPS, even if not ideal. I you nerf that the stam Warden DPS is just dead.

SodanTok · February 2018

other

In good hands they look OP, in bad hands they look like joke. May be good design, may be bad design. But unless it is full rework, they dont deserve to be nerfed just to balance good people and screw everyone else.

Ryan1704 · February 2018

no

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Why post a poll if you thought the result of it was guaranteed to be in your favour and then sort of moan when the majority disagrees? Wardens have good burst damage yes but that doesnt mean its overperforming. Its the fact that pvp is built around getting quick kills or die in a zerg that makes this burst damage seem overpowered as you can get in get the kill and then dip out. Thats why so many people play nightblades and sorcerer because they also have high burst damage which allows them to be more effective in the current pvp environment. Also the beetles are easily countered by CCing or stunning the caster and then moving through to get behind them. The only way i can get them to hit against a good player is if im lucky enough to land a dizzyswing in huge lag. Which is easier said than done

Olupajmibanan · February 2018

no

I would call Scorch a "Bane of noobs". That's why they call it overpowered and create polls like this.

Tryxus · February 2018

no

The skill by itself is ok really. It can output quite some damage and has useful secondary effects, but it has a 3 sec delay during which the Warden has to face the target(s) (as well as being susceptible to CCs that can cause the ability to completely miss) and it's also rather costly (3k-ish Magicka for Deep Fissure, which goes to waste if it misses). So I think this ability has plenty of cons vs its pros.

But the thing is: Scorch and morphs meshes really well with other skills that can cause a large amount of burst. Sub Assault with a gap closer & Dawnbreaker for instance, or slamming the ground with Deep Fissure and then immediately calling down an Ice Comet is also quite deadly

I think Scorch is fine for now. The Warden does still have skills that are overperforming, but this ain't one of them.

klowdy1 · February 2018

other

GTFO with this fake poll. Troll post for sure.

Maura_Neysa · February 2018

no

Qbiken wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????

Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Lets see... Stamblade in War Machine, yep that sounds exactly like "some chasing 50k"

Maura_Neysa · February 2018

no

Juhasow wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????

Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Self buffed

It would appear Stamden are in a better place then I understood. Have a Magden parse? Not even War Machine it would seem very couriows about the build. However I do see Sub is 12% of the DPS coming in behind Endless Hail. Yet the OP wants to nerf a struggling class (even if you aint struggle on it.)

JobooAGS · February 2018

no

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????

Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Self buffed

It would appear Stamden are in a better place then I understood. Have a Magden parse?

Try a bowden

Lynx7386 · February 2018

no

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Subterranean Assault is really the only one over-performing. An undodgeable, unblockable, AoE major debuffs that also hit hard... It's the only one that needs reworking. Either only give major fracture, make it dodgeable, only give one enemy the debuff (like how Deep Fissure stuns one person), or give minor fracture and minor breach.
Deep Fissure is fine the way it is. It's pretty balanced, as it only stuns one person rather than everything in its wake. It could use a little bit of a cost reduction, as it is a bit costly to maintain in pve without a heavy attack build.

You'd only be hurting warden tanks by nerfing sub assault. Its fine as is.

BloodWolfe · February 2018

no

STOP complaining about Wardens, we underperform enough already as it is (at least in PvE since I don't PvP I don't know how they are in PvP) but FFS stop this BS already! People need to stop crying when a class or a single class ability may have done a bit of damage to them. Not every class is meant to win against every othe class and all have strenghts and weaknesses depending on the enemy, STOP THIS S*** ALREADY FFS! This is the stupidity that causes classes to neddlessly get nerfed for no reason other than idiots crying when that class beat them in PvP one day. STOP IT!

Azurya · February 2018

no

Arobain wrote: »

simple poll, imo they are overpowered as ***, and i have both a stam warden AND mag warden

nerd

Azurya · February 2018

no

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Just fix them being able to hit through walls and they're fine.

everything is flying through walls, not just beetles, and then you must be standing right in their cone to get a hit
and with everything I mean things like arrows, shackles, fragments amm

Ch4mpTW · February 2018

Ahhh... The ESO community is tearing itself apart yet again, by treating an OP poorly. Get it together, everyone. The boy is allowed to have a difference of the popular opinion. You all are looking like the angry Mercy players mobbing in-game and on the forums in Overwatch. And trust me. You do not want to come across as the stereotypical; salty Mercy mains. Lol.

Anyway, I understand how you feel. I understand you, OP. But, a bit of advice. Instead of asking for something to be nerfed, try and look at what needs to be buffed. Or what other changes need to be made, in regards to balancing things out. I understand full well the whole cheese combo of: Beetles + Uppercut + DBoS and getting insta-melted. Really. I do. But, you need to understand that that particular combo has numerous outs to it. As well as the ways of dealing with Wardens in general. Simply coming to the forums and asking that something be nerfed, just because you get insta-gibbed to it constantly is not the way.

And I know this, because I too used to make threads just like you at 1 point about what needed to be nerfed too from what annoyed me. In fact, I still do feel Nightblades need more nerfs.... >_>! But! Just understand that ZOS does blanket nerfs, and even though they may be toning something down to “balance” PvP, they often are severely hurting the balance in PvE.

ParaNostram · February 2018

no

"It killed me and so I blame the ability." - Every Thread Ever

Waffennacht · February 2018

no

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????

Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Self buffed

It would appear Stamden are in a better place then I understood. Have a Magden parse? Not even War Machine it would seem very couriows about the build. However I do see Sub is 12% of the DPS coming in behind Endless Hail. Yet the OP wants to nerf a struggling class (even if you aint struggle on it.)

Is Stam (any Stam build pulls in mad numbers)
Had bear

Nuff said

JobooAGS · February 2018

no

Waffennacht wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????

Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Self buffed

It would appear Stamden are in a better place then I understood. Have a Magden parse? Not even War Machine it would seem very couriows about the build. However I do see Sub is 12% of the DPS coming in behind Endless Hail. Yet the OP wants to nerf a struggling class (even if you aint struggle on it.)

Is Stam (any Stam build pulls in mad numbers)
Had bear

Nuff said

Mundus? Sets? Try Bowden?

Jamini · February 2018

no

If anything Warden skills need a significant buff in PvE.

Valykc · February 2018

no

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

You sound like you have PTSD from fighting wardens lol. The skill really isn’t as OP as your making it out to be. The AoE Major Fracture is great, I don’t want to see that removed. Nor the damage reduced because that will hurt them in PvE. If anything dodging at the right time and block it should be it’s only counterplay as far as I’m concerned.

Jade1986 · February 2018

no

thats literally our only class melee ability. But of course, please neuter it.