are warden beetles overperforming/overpowered?

Arobain

simple poll, imo they are overpowered as ***, and i have both a stam warden AND mag warden

VilniusNastavnik

other

How about you leave wardens alone. They are hands done the worst dps class in pve. Beetles are the only thing they have going for themselves. Beetles have a good burst.. but take time to prime and large resource cost.. yet you want to nerf an already struggling dps class.

Skullstachio

no

Scorch and its morphs perform based on the players character setup which varies from individual to individual.

WuffyCerulei

other

Subterranean Assault is really the only one over-performing. An undodgeable, unblockable, AoE major debuffs that also hit hard... It's the only one that needs reworking. Either only give major fracture, make it dodgeable, only give one enemy the debuff (like how Deep Fissure stuns one person), or give minor fracture and minor breach.
Deep Fissure is fine the way it is. It's pretty balanced, as it only stuns one person rather than everything in its wake. It could use a little bit of a cost reduction, as it is a bit costly to maintain in pve without a heavy attack build.

Recremen

no

No, they do okay damage after a delay. It's not spammable, but like proxy det and other delayed skills it lets you set up some good burst damage if you're clever. That's not overperforming, it's something more classes should have access to.

JamieAubrey

DELETE THIS THREAD BEFORE IT GETS NERFED TO ****

Sevalaricgirl

no

I play a warden and if anything, I think they are under powered. They just don't seem to do a lot of damage.

Vizier

no

Seriously almost never get kill with this skill in PvP. It's so not "over-performing."

Tasear

no

It's a typo no? You meant underpowered?

Girl_Number8

other

Polls are over posted

Trinotops

no

I think it'd be great if it required a target to cast so that it's a bit more in line with other burst oriented skills such as curse or backlash especially considering it's an unblockable AoE. But as it is now, I wouldn't say that it's overpowered. Its damage isn't broken OP and can be easily avoided through proper use of stuns, roots, and positioning.

Arobain

yes

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Arobain

yes

it just seems like the forums are full of people that say a class is garbage trash scum of the earth, just because one ability that needed a nerf, GETS a nerf, or because the build they used, isnt going to be OP or work as well as they used to have it... its like these same people that constantly COMPLAIN about a class being ' dead ' are the same people that cant make their own builds, and rely on cookie cutter builds, idk, i've been watching the forums without following most posts, just throwing my opinion sometimes, and i always see this " stam dk is dead, mag dk is dead " and i just think to myself " lol no? its not, i have a build that works great thats a mag dk, and it sure isnt meta " it just seems like people are too afraid to go out an explore their own creativity they could use to make their own unique builds, and that mindset just turns everyone into toxic gamers, that dont really care for the same stuff they started gaming for to begin with, to simply have fun and enjoy a game....

Arobain

yes

that is all i have to say on this all, i'll no longer be replying from this point on

Solariken

other

No shalks are tolerable but DBoS needs to lose its stun.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

no

NO MORE NERFS.

All imbalance problems come from the champion system. If something is OP. look there first.

Maura_Neysa

no

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

Ankael07

no

Whats even the point of threads like these? You arent giving any feedback on why theyre OP youre just asking if people agree with you. Trying to rally others or something?

Qbiken

no

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????



Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Vaoh

no

Dive is getting nerfed and now you want to nerf Scorch. Not like Warden has only 3 non-Ult damage-dealing skills or anything.

You’re so clueless about class balance that you don’t even know the NAME of the skill xD it’s called Scorch..... anyone who refers to it as “beetles” or any skill by appearance rather than name obviously has very little experience on the topic.

Nerf the nerf qq threads, not our classes. Smh

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

no

The ability takes a year to go off. If you get hit by it, it's your own damn fault

Princess_Ciri

no

lmao wardens have 1 good skill remaining and u trying to nerf it, nice

Vapirko

yes

This thread should be in PvP combat section, as that’s what I assume you’re posting about. Yes they’re op a little in PvP only, it’s the reason about 50% of players in Cyrodiil run them.

Voxicity

yes

In PvP of course

Voxicity

yes

Vaoh wrote: »

Dive is getting nerfed and now you want to nerf Scorch. Not like Warden has only 3 non-Ult damage-dealing skills or anything.

You’re so clueless about class balance that you don’t even know the NAME of the skill xD it’s called Scorch..... anyone who refers to it as “beetles” or any skill by appearance rather than name obviously has very little experience on the topic.

Nerf the nerf qq threads, not our classes. Smh

That's probably one of the most absurd arguments I've ever heard. I'm pretty sure Alcast refers to Radiant Destruction as Jesus Beam, as do a lot of other people. But I'm sure he is also clueless about class balance right?

Absolutely nothing wrong with someone calling a skill by what it looks like, and it certainly does not define their experience with said class. It's literally just a word.

dsalter

yes

personally looking at it, its intended to be an AoE cone skill, like a far range jabs, but its clearly being used more like daedric curse burst, i'd lower the time it takes to explode slightly, lower the damage slightly, increase the range by almost double (or make it floor targetted) and reduce the cost by about 20%

Juhasow

Qbiken wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Arobain wrote: »

wow i really cant believe that responses i'm seeing since

The beetles AOE radius isnt limited to the beetles itself, its also around the player

This ability can not be interrupted because it's an instant cast

it can be extremely easily chained with any other burst ability due to it's actually explosion time

its basically a an extremely large instant cast AOE uppercut, with almost MATCHING damage, but beetles cost less

the stam morph GIVES ALL CAUGHT IN IT major fracture and major breach, and the mag morph stuns one target!

its spammable with all the above mentioned

its hard to dodge, because of the huge AOE radius on each beetle, only easy way to dodge this ability, is by dodging through the player to get behind them when this ability goes off

like i said, i honestly, and truly ( not tryna be jokey ) do not understand, how anyone could tell me they arent overpowered, ( i'm not talking about wardens in general, just the beetles )seeing how i use them myself, and i notice how powerful they are from my own experience, as well as literally EVERYONE i meet ingame that uses them, themselves, says they are overpowered, even a very experienced cyrodiil small scaler himself, said the beetles were overpowered, while he used them, as well as my own guild member that uses them, and is very experienced, says they are overpowered himself

i made this poll to somewhat gather people that shared my opinion, but for lack of better words, i'm just so surprised to be honest, not only at the reaction i received on this post ( the opposite majority vote i thought i would see )

another thing i really dont understand, is how people say warden sucks? even though its one of the most powerful classes right now, with access to most EVERY major buff, as well as EXCELLENT self healing with the ONLY non cast stamina heal in the game on a class skill line ( not counting vigor ) and people are honestly saying that the class is underpowered? i really dont understand, my BEST character is a mag warden, and has never had any issue doing any content so far

i very rarely post on these forums, but i just feel like..... nevermind, nobody cares anyways

Wow seriously? The best DPS test I've heard of from a Warden is 35k mag 38k stamina, Every other class breaks 40k, with some chasing 50k all self buffed.
They are hands down the undisputed worst PvE DPS class.
Yes Shalks are strong, but they are also clunky. They take 3s to go off, so you have to be planning ahead. They go off in the direction you're pointed, not the direction you're looking, which is a pretty big issue for any gamepad users.
Wardens have exactly 4 DPS skills in any tree, Beetles, Birds, Bees, and Winters Revenge. So for the class to have any chance all , all 4 have to hit hard.
I have no idea how you could claim its one of the most powerful classes? Do you only do solo PvE content? cause thats the only place their "Jack-of-all, master-of-none" is powerful.
People most certainly do care, they care about the whole picture. Which when point out only seems to have opened the QQ gate.

50k self-buffed????



Only I´ve seen 50k+ is warmachine stamblade......

Self buffed

CyborgPlatypus

no

No, the ability is one of wardens main source of damage in pve. In pvp I've only found it good against zergs.

Aisle9

no

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Subterranean Assault is really the only one over-performing. An undodgeable, unblockable, AoE major debuffs that also hit hard... It's the only one that needs reworking. Either only give major fracture, make it dodgeable, only give one enemy the debuff (like how Deep Fissure stuns one person), or give minor fracture and minor breach.
Deep Fissure is fine the way it is. It's pretty balanced, as it only stuns one person rather than everything in its wake. It could use a little bit of a cost reduction, as it is a bit costly to maintain in pve without a heavy attack build.

Have you tried moving ?

Like, not standing still in front of the warden ?

The cast is pretty hard to miss, and you have 3 whole seconds to get the hell out of the way...


Here's a visual representation of a warden trying to kill you with beetuls:

- Here I come, wait for it...
- Alright.
- Wait for it...
- Take your time.
- Wait for it...
- *light smoke*
- INCINERATION BEEEETULS!

Golnebo

other

Ssst. Don't tell ZOS.

method__01

no

lol by the time you cast "beetles" ,a "insertanyclasshere" has killed you with 3 different ways