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PTS patch going to live? (Nerfs incoming)
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✭I’d just like to throw out there the fact that you will still be able to kill me with this. I’m sure I’ll dodge twice and then lights out. I feel like there are a lot of players like me out there in cyrodil. I have no idea what battle ground are like or how real pvpers will respond.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Here is what is interesting... when they talked about Dive, they said the entire reason they made it undodgeable was because of the animation length... so in all fairness, making it now dodgeable means they should SHORTEN the animation length to compensate. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_WrobelCP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭People need to keep in mind that Miat's is also being made redundant. What does this mean? It means with the next patch only a select few good players will have the awareness to dodge when needed to instead of the current 80% of the player base.
I'm a warden, yes I cheese dive. Am I worried? Not at all.NA PC | AD
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✭✭Maybe read the whole combat balance notes instead of cherry picking something you want to rage about? Dodge and blocking is being tweaked across the board to encourage strategic skills and usage.0 -
Tetrafy✭✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.
That's a funny joke. Remember that time where Zenimax gutted everyone's sustain horrendously and LITERALLY EVERYONE, including all of the game's top players, were saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! and Zenimax didn't budge even an inch? It's very clear Zenimax values our feedback only when it suits them.
Well if it makes you feel any better the president of Zenimax did tell everyone if they wanted to play offline that they could buy an Xbox 360.0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Now if this included overall buffs to warden it might be balanced.
And how likely is that LOL
It's probably meant to played more defensive then offensive. Though one thing that could make a difference is allowing them to use ice staves and inferno or lighting without fear of taunting.0 -
BroanBeast1215✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »They made several other skills undodgeable as well, might want to read and see which of your favorite skills were also nerfed.
Now they need to put a cool down on dodge or fix shuffle with a cool down or the meta will just change to roll dodge builds everywhere.
History will repeat itself, dodge,dodge, dodge,miss, dodge.
why do you dislike medium armor playstyle?0 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
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The O.P.'s statement wasn't even close to being "rage." The tone was quite neutral, actually.Peekachu99 wrote: »Maybe read the whole combat balance notes instead of cherry picking something you want to rage about? Dodge and blocking is being tweaked across the board to encourage strategic skills and usage.
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✭Good wardens don't need Birds (What I had seen so far).Edited by gepe87 on January 30, 2018 12:37AMGepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Now you'll actually have to time your Cliff Racer with your undodgeable unblockable stun.@ Izaki #PCEU
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This better mean that warden is getting some much needed PvE buffs now.
The argument was always that they couldn't buff them because they're already OP in PvP. Well, they're not OP in PvP anymore.
A snap shot of how warden is currently doing in PvE (current top-100 leader boards for PC/NA):
vMoL: 0 wardens
vHoF: 0 wardens
vAS: 3 wardens
Yep...Edited by MLGProPlayer on January 30, 2018 12:39AM1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BroanBeast1215 wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »They made several other skills undodgeable as well, might want to read and see which of your favorite skills were also nerfed.
Now they need to put a cool down on dodge or fix shuffle with a cool down or the meta will just change to roll dodge builds everywhere.
History will repeat itself, dodge,dodge, dodge,miss, dodge.
why do you dislike medium armor playstyle?
Funny I am a medium armor wearing stamblade, I just don't believe you should be able to avoid everything by just using shuffle without there being a counter to shuffle. There are players out there who seem to have a shuffle up time greater than others who completely negate ranged attacks. So all I am suggesting is a fix or cool down on shuffle.Edited by TequilaFire on January 30, 2018 1:22AM4 -
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✭ZOS_Edward wrote: »The purpose of the PTS is to test out changes before they go to the Live server. That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.
Continue to watch the PTS Patch Notes to see what changes are made as the test process continues.
Oh yeah? And when do you listen to feedback? When? Show me 1 time.1 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The reason I say history will repeat itself is some undodgeable skills were added a couple of years ago to combat the fact the every stamina build was a dodge roller with no counter.
I play a medium wearing stamblade most of the time by the way so no warden bias at all.
Mb u missed dodge fatique? That's the encounter they introduced for endless dodge builds, and non-dodgable spammable skill is just a major nonsense which helps with nothing. All changes they made make literal sense atm, it won't make dodge builds stronger than they already are, it just makes skills sensible.
BS, shuffle has been a broken skill for a long time and is not affected by dodge fatigue.
It has way too much of an uptime much more so that the tool tip says.
There are videos showing over 10 dodges and misses in a row, now there will be even less counter for that.
There should be no get out of "dodge" for free card for anyone.
Shuffle should require 5 pieces of medium armour to use so heavy armour players cant use it.0 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LittlePinkDot wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »themaddaedra wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »The reason I say history will repeat itself is some undodgeable skills were added a couple of years ago to combat the fact the every stamina build was a dodge roller with no counter.
I play a medium wearing stamblade most of the time by the way so no warden bias at all.
Mb u missed dodge fatique? That's the encounter they introduced for endless dodge builds, and non-dodgable spammable skill is just a major nonsense which helps with nothing. All changes they made make literal sense atm, it won't make dodge builds stronger than they already are, it just makes skills sensible.
BS, shuffle has been a broken skill for a long time and is not affected by dodge fatigue.
It has way too much of an uptime much more so that the tool tip says.
There are videos showing over 10 dodges and misses in a row, now there will be even less counter for that.
There should be no get out of "dodge" for free card for anyone.
Shuffle should require 5 pieces of medium armour to use so heavy armour players cant use it.
It does. The only work around that is a NB using Blur/Mirage/Double Take.Edited by Savos_Saren on January 30, 2018 1:56AMWant to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭✭Nothing wrong with a 9k attack whose only counter, blocking, forces you to eat a larger, unblockable burst...
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Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »Already crying on iWin button getting changed?
That's the only DPS skill magicka warden has to offer that can be added to some sort of rotation, with it dodgeable the class will be the worst in game for PVP. Also like hundreds of people have said before, if you get killed by bird spam it's a l2p issue on your part and the spammer's. Mostly on yours.Fallewarrior wrote: »Within minutes of the weekly pts patchnotes a QQ thread has been found.
Whats new
It's a question, do you always cry when you're asking questions?
They changed the entire ruleset. It's not just birds that have become dodgeable. Also that skill isn't the only thing wardens have going for them in PvP. They ahave great burst and just need to keep their target rooted to pull it off. I don't feel bad at all that you have to add another skill to your bar to keep them in place.Crown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
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✭✭Here is what is interesting... when they talked about Dive, they said the entire reason they made it undodgeable was because of the animation length... so in all fairness, making it now dodgeable means they should SHORTEN the animation length to compensate. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel
They also said that they removed the CC from Blazing Spear to make use of the skill and Templar rotation less complicated, something about ceilings and floors, so just lol.
If they shorten the "animation" aka travel time on Birds, they in all fairness should shorten the initial cast time and travel time on Dark Flare. Just my opinion.Edited by Idinuse on January 31, 2018 8:40AMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?0 -
Tarrocan✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »They made several other skills undodgeable as well, might want to read and see which of your favorite skills were also nerfed.
Now they need to put a cool down on dodge or fix shuffle with a cool down or the meta will just change to roll dodge builds everywhere.
History will repeat itself, dodge,dodge, dodge,miss, dodge.
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Slick_007✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.
That's a funny joke. Remember that time where Zenimax gutted everyone's sustain horrendously and LITERALLY EVERYONE, including all of the game's top players, were saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! and Zenimax didn't budge even an inch? It's very clear Zenimax values our feedback only when it suits them.
someone doesnt understand their role as a player and how feedback works. Players do not dictate the changes. they supply feedback. many times, the feedback is not even valid. see most of the whinges on the forums as examples. Just because they chose not to revert a change you didnt like, does not mean they didnt listen. Your feedback obviously did not fit into the plan or maybe without your feedback it would have been a bigger change?1 -
Dapper Dinosaur✭✭✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.
That's a funny joke. Remember that time where Zenimax gutted everyone's sustain horrendously and LITERALLY EVERYONE, including all of the game's top players, were saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! and Zenimax didn't budge even an inch? It's very clear Zenimax values our feedback only when it suits them.
someone doesnt understand their role as a player and how feedback works. Players do not dictate the changes. they supply feedback. many times, the feedback is not even valid. see most of the whinges on the forums as examples. Just because they chose not to revert a change you didnt like, does not mean they didnt listen. Your feedback obviously did not fit into the plan or maybe without your feedback it would have been a bigger change?
LITERALLY EVERYONE, OF ALL SKILL RANGES INCLUDING THE VERY BEST PLAYERS, were ALL telling ZoS they hated the changes. That is not one person's feedback, or a small number of people, it was the ENTIRE community. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about here.Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on January 31, 2018 9:35AM0 -
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✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.
That's a funny joke. Remember that time where Zenimax gutted everyone's sustain horrendously and LITERALLY EVERYONE, including all of the game's top players, were saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! and Zenimax didn't budge even an inch? It's very clear Zenimax values our feedback only when it suits them.
someone doesnt understand their role as a player and how feedback works. Players do not dictate the changes. they supply feedback. many times, the feedback is not even valid. see most of the whinges on the forums as examples. Just because they chose not to revert a change you didnt like, does not mean they didnt listen. Your feedback obviously did not fit into the plan or maybe without your feedback it would have been a bigger change?
LITERALLY EVERYONE, OF ALL SKILL RANGES INCLUDING THE VERY BEST PLAYERS, were ALL telling ZoS they hated the changes. That is not one person's feedback, or a small number of people, it was the ENTIRE community. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about here.
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Yamenstein✭✭✭✭✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.
That's a funny joke. Remember that time where Zenimax gutted everyone's sustain horrendously and LITERALLY EVERYONE, including all of the game's top players, were saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! and Zenimax didn't budge even an inch? It's very clear Zenimax values our feedback only when it suits them.
someone doesnt understand their role as a player and how feedback works. Players do not dictate the changes. they supply feedback. many times, the feedback is not even valid. see most of the whinges on the forums as examples. Just because they chose not to revert a change you didnt like, does not mean they didnt listen. Your feedback obviously did not fit into the plan or maybe without your feedback it would have been a bigger change?
LITERALLY EVERYONE, OF ALL SKILL RANGES INCLUDING THE VERY BEST PLAYERS, were ALL telling ZoS they hated the changes. That is not one person's feedback, or a small number of people, it was the ENTIRE community. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about here.
Triggered.
If literally everyone was saying that then there would be 8 million users on these forms. I doubt that.
Sustain was hit hard yes but we have adapted and moved on. People are still coming out with great builds and the content we are playing is challenging and rewarding. Sustain before was really good, too good even.
ZOS isn't going to go and just reverse all their changes because we all complain. 1%, 50% or even the entire community. They make changes to the numbers based on our feedback and if it doesn't work then more changes are required. The sustain changes we have now didn't break the game. Yes they need to fix some issues but it's not the end of the world.
Crown Crates are a trap. Don't fall for the gamble! Balance? What Balance? Balance, smellance.
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✭Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
LITERALLY EVERYONE, OF ALL SKILL RANGES INCLUDING THE VERY BEST PLAYERS, were ALL telling ZoS they hated the changes. That is not one person's feedback, or a small number of people, it was the ENTIRE community. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about here.
using caps like that, and the word literally, is a sign you know you don't have a valid point yet feel the need to argue anyway.0 -
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✭✭Thanks for making my favourite class even weaker in PvP (I am not talking about Stam Wardens) Ok cool, make the Dive dogeable. But also put a freaking CAP on dodge chance!!! I am sick to the death of trying to kill players! DIVE IS THE ONLY SKILL mag warden has in his DPS rotation that doesn't end up in 'Dodge' or 'Missed' 100% of the time.
I'm sure all the wannabe NBs will be happy as hell. Now nothing will ever make contact with their characters - ever. 100% doge chance without pressing a single button. As if they aren't OP enough in PvP as it is!PC - EU:
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