PTS patch going to live? (Nerfs incoming)

DanielWinterborn

Among a lot of other nerfs I found this one "Dive: The damage from this ability and its morphs can now be dodged." (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392599/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-3#latest) Is this supposed to go on the live server as well?

ZOS_Edward

The purpose of the PTS is to test out changes before they go to the Live server. That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.

Continue to watch the PTS Patch Notes to see what changes are made as the test process continues.

VoiDGhOs7

Already crying on iWin button getting changed?

Fallewarrior

Within minutes of the weekly pts patchnotes a QQ thread has been found.
Whats new

DanielWinterborn

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

The purpose of the PTS is to test out changes before they go to the Live server. That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.

Continue to watch the PTS Patch Notes to see what changes are made as the test process continues.

Judging by the list it looks very ominous... Just saying.

DanielWinterborn

VoiDGhOs7 wrote: »

Already crying on iWin button getting changed?

That's the only DPS skill magicka warden has to offer that can be added to some sort of rotation, with it dodgeable the class will be the worst in game for PVP. Also like hundreds of people have said before, if you get killed by bird spam it's a l2p issue on your part and the spammer's. Mostly on yours.

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Within minutes of the weekly pts patchnotes a QQ thread has been found.
Whats new

It's a question, do you always cry when you're asking questions?

themaddaedra

Lol that escalated quick, bird spam legit won't be missed

Princess_Ciri

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Within minutes of the weekly pts patchnotes a QQ thread has been found.
Whats new

EAT MY BIRDS

Ajitator

Fixing a mechanic that was implemented incorrectly != nerf. Stop whining.

TequilaFire

They made several other skills undodgeable as well, might want to read and see which of your favorite skills were also nerfed.
Now they need to put a cool down on dodge or fix shuffle with a cool down or the meta will just change to roll dodge builds everywhere.
History will repeat itself, dodge,dodge, dodge,miss, dodge.

themaddaedra

TequilaFire wrote: »

They made several other skills undodgeable as well, might want to read and see which of your favorite skills were also nerfed.
Now they need to put a cool down on dodge or fix shuffle with a cool down or the meta will just change to roll dodge builds everywhere.
History will repeat itself, dodge,dodge, dodge,miss, dodge.

Couldn't go further from truth They fixed what needed fixed, if i was to cry i'd do it silent kappa.

TequilaFire

The reason I say history will repeat itself is some undodgeable skills were added a couple of years ago to combat the fact the every stamina build was a dodge roller with no counter.
I play a medium wearing stamblade most of the time by the way so no warden bias at all.

themaddaedra

TequilaFire wrote: »

The reason I say history will repeat itself is some undodgeable skills were added a couple of years ago to combat the fact the every stamina build was a dodge roller with no counter.
I play a medium wearing stamblade most of the time by the way so no warden bias at all.

Mb u missed dodge fatique? That's the encounter they introduced for endless dodge builds, and non-dodgable spammable skill is just a major nonsense which helps with nothing. All changes they made make literal sense atm, it won't make dodge builds stronger than they already are, it just makes skills sensible.

Kel

So basically everyone screaming for balance really meant "Balance everything except my class!!"
Didn't anyone realize asking for balance was never going to mean classes would be stronger?
Two biggest complaints- power creep and balance...what is the solution? I can tell you what it's not...making things stronger.
You asked for balance. Zos is giving it to you. This is what all the crying has gotten you.

CavalryPK

themaddaedra wrote: »

Lol that escalated quick, bird spam legit won't be missed

It will, however most certainly dodged dodged.

victoriana-blue

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Among a lot of other nerfs I found this one "Dive: The damage from this ability and its morphs can now be dodged." (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392599/pts-patch-notes-v3-3-3#latest) Is this supposed to go on the live server as well?

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

The purpose of the PTS is to test out changes before they go to the Live server. That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.

Continue to watch the PTS Patch Notes to see what changes are made as the test process continues.

Judging by the list it looks very ominous... Just saying.

You also need to put PTS notes & changes in the context of the previous weeks' notes, which have been looking at PvP counter play with stuns and cc immunity.

Rule of thumb: every three months the game will change, usually significantly.

kargen27

It might be nice to go to battlegrounds and not have the sky blocked out by birds.

phileunderx2

Meh we wardens will come up with something just as annoying lol

Dapper Dinosaur

That means things can change between the version you see right now on the PTS and what ends up on Live based on feedback from the community.

That's a funny joke. Remember that time where Zenimax gutted everyone's sustain horrendously and LITERALLY EVERYONE, including all of the game's top players, were saying NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! and Zenimax didn't budge even an inch? It's very clear Zenimax values our feedback only when it suits them.

TequilaFire

themaddaedra wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

The reason I say history will repeat itself is some undodgeable skills were added a couple of years ago to combat the fact the every stamina build was a dodge roller with no counter.
I play a medium wearing stamblade most of the time by the way so no warden bias at all.

Mb u missed dodge fatique? That's the encounter they introduced for endless dodge builds, and non-dodgable spammable skill is just a major nonsense which helps with nothing. All changes they made make literal sense atm, it won't make dodge builds stronger than they already are, it just makes skills sensible.

BS, shuffle has been a broken skill for a long time and is not affected by dodge fatigue.
It has way too much of an uptime much more so that the tool tip says.
There are videos showing over 10 dodges and misses in a row, now there will be even less counter for that.
There should be no get out of "dodge" for free card for anyone.

Toast_STS

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Meh we wardens will come up with something just as annoying lol

I've already been working on my ice warden. No birds required and roots/snares for days

xbobx

Toast_STS wrote: »

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Meh we wardens will come up with something just as annoying lol

I've already been working on my ice warden. No birds required and roots/snares for days

i wish they would remove one of the skills in ice and add a spamable ice spell like some of the mobs have since there is not real class specific direct damage cold spell in the game.

maybe remove frozen gate or arctic wind.

zaria

Now if this included overall buffs to warden it might be balanced.
And how likely is that LOL

Kel

zaria wrote: »

Now if this included overall buffs to warden it might be balanced.
And how likely is that LOL

It was broken before.
NOW it's balanced.

Amdar_Godkiller

xbobx wrote: »

Toast_STS wrote: »

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Meh we wardens will come up with something just as annoying lol

I've already been working on my ice warden. No birds required and roots/snares for days

i wish they would remove one of the skills in ice and add a spamable ice spell like some of the mobs have since there is not real class specific direct damage cold spell in the game.

maybe remove frozen gate or arctic wind.

Can't remove gate. that's critical for synergies and great for battlegrounds.

Leandor

Yeah, well done change. It was time mag-wardens learned their place as buffbots for ballgroups.

Good thing also that this change tackled the real problem that was the burst potential of stam wardens in pvp and finally balanced all flavours of warden for pve.

A well thought out balance measure that, combined with the other changes, makes sure that stam builds now have a proper way of evading all damage but aoe so they can finally run medium all the way to allow them to stack even more damage and finally give them some burst.

It was high time to finally make sure we have less options in pvp, there was too much build freedom.

In respect to warden, the only thing they now need to do is remove shimmering shield. Then we can finally go back to having 4 classes in the game.

xbobx

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, well done change. It was time mag-wardens learned their place as buffbots for ballgroups.

Good thing also that this change tackled the real problem that was the burst potential of stam wardens in pvp and finally balanced all flavours of warden for pve.

A well thought out balance measure that, combined with the other changes, makes sure that stam builds now have a proper way of evading all damage but aoe so they can finally run medium all the way to allow them to stack even more damage and finally give them some burst.

It was high time to finally make sure we have less options in pvp, there was too much build freedom.

In respect to warden, the only thing they now need to do is remove shimmering shield. Then we can finally go back to having 4 classes in the game.

weird because i hardly see wardens in pvp, i do see a lot of dragonknights though

Leandor

xbobx wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, well done change. It was time mag-wardens learned their place as buffbots for ballgroups.

Good thing also that this change tackled the real problem that was the burst potential of stam wardens in pvp and finally balanced all flavours of warden for pve.

A well thought out balance measure that, combined with the other changes, makes sure that stam builds now have a proper way of evading all damage but aoe so they can finally run medium all the way to allow them to stack even more damage and finally give them some burst.

It was high time to finally make sure we have less options in pvp, there was too much build freedom.

In respect to warden, the only thing they now need to do is remove shimmering shield. Then we can finally go back to having 4 classes in the game.

weird because i hardly see wardens in pvp, i do see a lot of dragonknights though

I have a feeling that you didn't really get the slightly sarcastic tone of my post. Consider this as a hint...

JobooAGS

Leandor wrote: »

xbobx wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Yeah, well done change. It was time mag-wardens learned their place as buffbots for ballgroups.

Good thing also that this change tackled the real problem that was the burst potential of stam wardens in pvp and finally balanced all flavours of warden for pve.

A well thought out balance measure that, combined with the other changes, makes sure that stam builds now have a proper way of evading all damage but aoe so they can finally run medium all the way to allow them to stack even more damage and finally give them some burst.

It was high time to finally make sure we have less options in pvp, there was too much build freedom.

In respect to warden, the only thing they now need to do is remove shimmering shield. Then we can finally go back to having 4 classes in the game.

weird because i hardly see wardens in pvp, i do see a lot of dragonknights though

I have a feeling that you didn't really get the slightly sarcastic tone of my post. Consider this as a hint...

sarcasm doesnt translate well over the internet

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Of all the warden things they could have nerfed. This was the most sensible. I hate nerfs. Even for classes I don't play. But this was adding counters to the game. which is a good thing.

KingYogi415

One of my wardens. “Cash Deez Birdz” will not be happy.

This is clearly just prep for the next chapters class to be stupid OP by stealing others classes defining skills. Where have I seen this before...?

Next wardens will also lose major mending and Necromancers will come with major mending and a undodgable skill, calling it now...