Is Soul Assault OP?

GodAizen · November 2017

ccfeeling · November 2017

Another nb nerf post?

Cinbri · November 2017

Fishstrom wrote: »

You can’t dodge, cleanse, cloak, bash or LoS SA. All skills should have counter play. And skills like these is why PvP is FAR from balanced.

You can los it. And zos removing counters from non-class ults quite for a long time already. Why you should simply bash and cancel 100ult SA when you cant dodge/cloak/bash/absorb/reflect Meteor. Same for other ults.

ThePrinceOfBargains · November 2017

Should definitely cost more.

Goshua · November 2017

well..

If Meteor wasn't useless 90% of the time or Destro wasn't frowned upon in a 1 v1 situation or My actual class ults did comparible damage

I'd stop using it.

Besides, it does nothing to some players, but it will melt a nb, esp a cc'd one, which gives me great delight : P

Goshua · November 2017

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Ragnarock41 · November 2017

For stamDK:
*Blockcast+vigor him to death. keep vigor up, keep block up, keep hitting him.

*Corrosive armor

*Spell wall

*Dawnbreaker of cheese

*Break line of sight

For medium armor dk:

OH NO! medium armor Dk sucks! Who would have thought?

For magDk:

Wait, you trying to tell me you don't permablock on a mDk?

Edit: on a more serious note I would like to see a nerf to soul assault cost,
Its a big F mark to any medium armor player.
Its a ''press to win'' button vs some builds.

BohnT · November 2017

The ult is unbalanced as hell.
If you use the ult on a medium armor build that has any kind of dot on them or was hurt before you can bet that it will die to soul assault in 9/10 attempts.
For magbuilds the ult is decent bit they have no problems fighting it as shields will protect you and with Harness you restore 2k mag with every cast.

Blocking is no counterplay for 4/5 stamclasses as they do not invest enough in blocking, with the changes to shuffle it's an even bigger Problem as stambuilds lack a reliable burst heal as most of them have to run forward momentum.
On a build that is not invested into blocking SA will drain 20k stam as you miss 2 regen ticks and get hit by it which drains 2k stam every .25 seconds (with the channel of SA it will only tick every .5 seconds)

LoS is a stupid counterplay for an ultimate that snares you by 70% meaning you have to be hugging a free already when it's being casted on you.

Nightblades actually have decent counterplay by using cloak after 2 seconds to prevent lots of damage.

The problem with SA is the same Beam has, you can spam it on people from 41m distance and deal massive amounts of damage with 0 risk and a high chance of getting an easy kill.
The snare adds to this as as 70% snares kill your mobility and will make you feel like a 100 year old man with only one leg.
The cherry on the cake is the low cost combined with the huge tooltip, 80k tooltips are easy achievable and in a Zerg your loss in survivability won't matter anyway, you just have to find a stamplayer have 100 ult (85 on sorc) and press 1 maybe 2 buttons (with dots) and win the fight.

In the End the ult needs it's cost increased to 120, the snare reduced to 30% and it should be bashable/ interruptable.
If you keep the snare then the range has to be reduced to max 28 m in cyro while being bashable

smokey13a · November 2017

I love soul assault and wouldn't say it was really OP(maybe needs a 10% nerf or increased cost or something like that). now don't get me wrong I know what you are all probably thinking, you are all thinking I use it but nope, I don't have it on any of my 22 chars, so now why do I love it, 2 very simple reasons,

1:on my stamblade if I get hit by it I block and pop fear (to get the resistance buff) then vigor (to counter some of the damage(maybe use a pot too for obvious reasons)) then release block and go full attack to kill them (works more times then you would expect, they cant defend properly while using it

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2: my magplar off tank eats it for breakfast, always funny when someone uses it on you thinking they are going to nuke you and you just stand there and take it (especially when 3 people use it on you at the same time and not only do they not kill you but a random NB decides to jump in and nuke the ones using soul assault, happened the other day, was funny

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ccfeeling wrote: »

Another nb nerf post?

nope, soul assault is from the soul magic skill line not NB

Ch4mpTW · November 2017

Has the community really reached a point where now people are collectively complaining about Soul Assault, and asking for a nerf of some kind to it? Has the quality of the player base really gotten that poor?

Ugh, I’ve seen enough of the forums for the moment. I’m going to go watch TV, or take a nap. Forums is deadass bugging right now.

Smithernest54 · January 2018

Soul Assault is op. It is barely blockable.

kyle.wilson · January 2018

PTS patch 3.3.2

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Soul Assault: This ability and its morphs no longer snare the enemy target.
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
One of the main counters to channeled abilities is being able to break light of sight/out range the ability, which is extremely difficult when faced with a 70% snare.

Soul Assault is easy to deal with 1v1, just block. But, against a zerg it can be difficult.
BTW, people that spam radiant destruction followed by soul assault earn a free t-bag.

Nussi28 · January 2018

You miss one thing here, SA will only do more than 60k when you build for it. Guys with SA of 70k and more lack defense, it's still not possible to have it all.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2018

STOP ASKING FOR NERFS

Betsararie · January 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Has the community really reached a point where now people are collectively complaining about Soul Assault, and asking for a nerf of some kind to it? Has the quality of the player base really gotten that poor?

Ugh, I’ve seen enough of the forums for the moment. I’m going to go watch TV, or take a nap. Forums is deadass bugging right now.

It's a pretty big problem

Malmai · January 2018

Malic wrote: »

Its too cheap, I'll give you that. Making it 125 ulti seems legit. There is counter play, med armor sucks and of course the cry babies.

You die in cyrodiil and while waiting for load screens why not come to the forums and cry for a nerf? Never mind thinking about a way around it, you know like LINE OF SIGHT.

noob players ruining this game now for years. It never ends they will be crying about something else once this gets nerfed, watch.

Noob players? U are noob if your using that i always leap in guys like you...

Eshelmen · January 2018

It's very rare that my Soul Assault kills players from max HP to zero, especially in the last year or so. My tool bar says around 75-80k with typical buffs.And I know this number gets much higher for other players, but my spell pen is definitely raised too. Soul Assaults bark is usually worse than its bite once you know how to counter it. As others have said, either you block it, break line of site, or just knock the caster down.

brandonv516 · January 2018

Soul Assault and Skoria are like a match made in heaven.

ArchMikem · January 2018

My tooltip had a total damage of 55k and yet someone that tried to Gank me just shrugged off the entire channel.

So no, it's not OP.

Cage_Lizardman · January 2018

I spam soul assault a lot, it's especially useful on nightblades trying to gank me. But there are a lot of people I don't even get close to killing with it, and who have no problem killing me. Even some gankblades do manage to get away. So can't say it's OP and there are clearly counters to it.

Removing the snare will probably make it useless.

Vapirko · January 2018

It’s a problem in medium. They’re removing the snare next patch so basically you’re gonna have to see it as soon as it happens, dodge roll cancel vigor and los.

TheDoomsdayMonster · January 2018

Soul Assault has a Hard Counter that renders it basically a wasted Ultimate: Elusive Mist...

Elusive Mist removes the snare, preserves your Stamina, allows you to Regen Stam, grants Major Expedition ,and reduces SA's damage to laughable levels...

Elusive Mist, which almost anyone can potentially slot (except Werewolves), is one of the best counters for S.A. in the game...

Abysswarrior45 · January 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Soul Assault has a Hard Counter that renders it basically a wasted Ultimate: Elusive Mist...

Elusive Mist removes the snare, preserves your Stamina, allows you to Regen Stam, grants Major Expedition ,and reduces SA's damage to laughable levels...

Elusive Mist, which almost anyone can potentially slot (except Werewolves), is one of the best counters for S.A. in the game...

Not every class that wants to min/max can afford to slot elusive mist since its very expensive and costs a slot. Medium armor and stam users in general aren't able to. Magic is extremely important for stam users for class abilities like igneous, purify, hardened armor, cloak, etc etc.

People that say you can block it, well what if its a 1v2? I've had a magden with a huge magic pool hit me with an 18k soul assault through block (39k spell resist, 40% crit, 4300 dmg, 2600 recov, 24k hp, 2k crit resist on my medium stam dk). Thats resource intensive on its own but if you have a templar, pug even, spamming jabs on you while you hold L2 you can say goodbye to all your stam and you'll probably die. LOS isn't easy to do if you're ganked out in the open and have massive snare on you. You're forced to cast forward momentum or shuffle while blocking and popping vigor and possibly even roll dodging for major expedition if you have a bow. That eats all your stam. There are not "A LOT" of counters to soul assault. There are few counters which tanks and magic users can utilize best while everyone else gets ***.

NyassaV · January 2018

Easy answer. Sorta... In a zerg it's stupid

Ruckly · January 2018

The hard counter is to die and get ressed five seconds later? Not having a 1v1 counter in cyrodiil for every single possible situation...cyrodiil isn't 1v1 combat. You can probably roll dodge through the person to break the channel. Or you can teleport to your shade or stealth. Or block. Or not fight in an open field where your are susceptible to any ranged dps rotation not just soul assault. Or use soul assault yourself. Or have someone heal you through it.

The person channeling soul assault is an easy target themselves. If they are doing 80k they are likely a glass cannon and very vulnerable.

DoctorESO · January 2018

Line of sight it.

Or travel with a combat buddy. Never leave home without one.

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

JiKama wrote: »

I've been PvPing some and I could be having a good battle against some players. We go back and forth trading blows and they just Soul assault me. I go 100-0 instantly and it goes through heals/shields/DK flappers. Just curious if there's counter play or what to do? It's happened multiple times and it's so frustrating. I'm still learning in PvP, but that's like the only ability I've seen just completely destroy me.

edited because idc and I am tired of nerfs. Welcome to PvP you will die a lot, have fun

Take time to learn the classes you play, tweek your builds, and become better if it's important to you.

Kalante · January 2018

ArchMikem wrote: »

My tooltip had a total damage of 55k and yet someone that tried to Gank me just shrugged off the entire channel.

So no, it's not OP.

I just hope you were not on a magicka character because 55k is extremely weak. 68k soul assault on a stam nb with all physical and stamina glyphs/gear. Now imagine a well built magicka build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvdzpbztkq0

Ilithyania · January 2018

LoS it.

FoulSnowpaw · January 2018

You can block Soul Assault. There's your counterplay now stop complaining about it.

+You can spam damage shield
+You can spam heal
+You can CC the person using soul assault
+You can kill the person channeling soul assault(because sorc shards can two hit most players).
+You can cloak away from it
+If you're a vampire, just use your mist form
+If you're a werewolf just pounce or use fear ability
+Absorb magicka ability from 1-H absorbs magicka and heals you instead.
+EARTHGORE life insurance
+Literally tons of sets to counter

Look if you're dying from Soul Assault that means your armor needs some revision. If you have the intent to kill, then you will be killed. Can't expect to be a tank when all you're doing is Zerg.

Soul Assault is not even widely used in PVP at all. People use uppercut and crystal shards more which literally 1-2 hits everyone they come in contact with.