Play your NB, DK, Sorc healers. Just don’t expect me to play with you.

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

I’m sure you have a jolly good time healing on these classes. Who doesn’t like relying almost purely on the Resto Staff abilities, with marginal utility offered by class abilities.

And yes, I’m taking into account your Matriarch, and your Funnel Health/Sap/Refreshing Path, and that Igneous shield and flames of oblivion morph.

And they suck.

You can play any race you want as a healer or tank, but not any class. Unless you plan on being just solo, or running dungeons and normal trials, then by all means. But don’t expect a group to rally behind you when you say you want to heal vMoL or vHoF. Unlike players that play the classes overwhelming suited foe that role, you have an upward climb to convince people you can play that class so effectively that it doesn’t diminish your chances at success (11 other people are relying on you. It’s presumptious, and egotistical, to expect them to devote their TIME to what is a very risky proposition).

I’m sure you can heal dungeons and normal trials easily with just orbs and spring, but I’ll be off elsewhere with my extended ritual, BoL, shards, and Power of the Light. Enjoy yourself, though. And remember, you are unique!

Didgerion · January 2018

What about Warden healers? please please please!?!!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

K.

Silver_Strider · January 2018

1 less person to carry.

Draxys · January 2018

Wow, you must feel so validated and relevant now, ranting at a handful of people who will never see this.

Sixty5 · January 2018

I'd tell you to git gud.

If someone is playing an off-meta class as a healer, it's because they know they can pull it off.

The best PUG healer I have ever run into was a Mag DK, and they were good enough to run vWGT with a DPS mag sorc as a tank.

If you need a Templar tied to your belt spamming Breath of Life every other second in order to run a dungeon, then I think there is plenty for you to improve on.

RavenSworn · January 2018

Cool story bro

witchdoctor · January 2018

Twisted panties, I see!

Belegnole · January 2018

Woops, I think Smelly died....

getemshauna · January 2018

Especially, if nightblade is better for dungeons than templar purely heal focused. This game needs min-max for 1% of the content, what is leaderboards runs, every vet trial and vet dungeon can be completed by even sorc tank.

Septimus_Magna · January 2018

In defense of sorc healers, the matriarch is bugged and doesnt heal the lowest health allies.

In most dungeons rapid regen, healing springs and healing ward are more than enough to keep everyone alive if they know the mechanics. Its easy to blame the healer but you cannot heal through certain mechanics.

Streega · January 2018

But... but... whyyy?! I feel so devastated

P.S. Meta builds are lame. Try to tank/heal/dps a PuG on hard mode - all at once, and survive.

Asmael · January 2018

Actually, healing has never been about... healing, but buffing, due to how potent healing can be. After all, stamina DDs can already heal themselves to full health twice over with a single Vigor, while magicka DDs get a 2nd HP bar in a click, healers can lay down long duration HoTs and call it a day, bar some high burst situations.

We even considered dropping the usual magplar healers in Hodor for some of the trials (before it RIP'd that is), since they couldn't really provide that much more utility than any other class would, while providing much less DPS. If orbs are enough compared to shards, Repentance is hardly valid anymore, a stamplar can take on the PotL debuff role and Novas aren't necessary in many situations.

And if anything, the "meta healers" for dungeons probably aren't the one you think.

Masel · January 2018

It's posts like these that I hate.

If you are a DD or tank who knows what they're doing, you don't even need a healer, there's only a few situations where you'd actually need one.

I have a guildmate that has all classes ready for healing trials and you can do a great job with all of them. And I've been into competitive PvE for about a year now.

The sole advantage a templar has is Breath of Life, that's it.

Tasear · January 2018

How should I respond?

A) sensible post explaining why you have a misguided perception based on various factors.

call you a Templar elitist

C) troll your thread

D) report your thread? To early... but just wait till everyone wakes up?

E) other

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2018

Show me where the fake healer touched you...........

Tasear · January 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

In defense of sorc healers, the matriarch is bugged and doesnt heal the lowest health allies.

In most dungeons rapid regen, healing springs and healing ward are more than enough to keep everyone alive if they know the mechanics. Its easy to blame the healer but you cannot heal through certain mechanics.

This has been incorrect for awhile. There's been significant improvements to the AI since intital implementation.

witchdoctor · January 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

If you are a DD or tank who knows what they're doing ...

Exactly. Dollars to donuts someone tried skipping a mechanic and it bit them square on the behind.

Tasear · January 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

I’m sure you have a jolly good time healing on these classes. Who doesn’t like relying almost purely on the Resto Staff abilities, with marginal utility offered by class abilities.

And yes, I’m taking into account your Matriarch, and your Funnel Health/Sap/Refreshing Path, and that Igneous shield and flames of oblivion morph.

And they suck.

You can play any race you want as a healer or tank, but not any class. Unless you plan on being just solo, or running dungeons and normal trials, then by all means. But don’t expect a group to rally behind you when you say you want to heal vMoL or vHoF. Unlike players that play the classes overwhelming suited foe that role, you have an upward climb to convince people you can play that class so effectively that it doesn’t diminish your chances at success (11 other people are relying on you. It’s presumptious, and egotistical, to expect them to devote their TIME to what is a very risky proposition).

I’m sure you can heal dungeons and normal trials easily with just orbs and spring, but I’ll be off elsewhere with my extended ritual, BoL, shards, and Power of the Light. Enjoy yourself, though. And remember, you are unique!

Let's burst this elitist Templar ego

A ) Bol isn't actually strongest burst heal. Before passives it's sorc, warden, Templar then with them it's warden, Templar sorc.

B ) shards?
There's a reason why these are on same cool down. And synergies are being optimalize this upcoming patch.

C ) extend ritual
Have you met blood altar? Next patch it's 28 meters and 45 secs long.

Tasear · January 2018

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

In defense of sorc healers, the matriarch is bugged and doesnt heal the lowest health allies.

In most dungeons rapid regen, healing springs and healing ward are more than enough to keep everyone alive if they know the mechanics. Its easy to blame the healer but you cannot heal through certain mechanics.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333658/dark-priestess-pug-proof-healer-build

Mureel · January 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

I'd tell you to git gud.

If someone is playing an off-meta class as a healer, it's because they know they can pull it off.

The best PUG healer I have ever run into was a Mag DK, and they were good enough to run vWGT with a DPS mag sorc as a tank.

If you need a Templar tied to your belt spamming Breath of Life every other second in order to run a dungeon, then I think there is plenty for you to improve on.

Or because they don't know any better.

Also they specifically said 'I’m sure you can heal dungeons and normal trials easily with just orbs and spring'.

Just because some can doesn't mean all can.

I mean there are a lot of trash templar healers out there too.

Mureel · January 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

It's posts like these that I hate.

If you are a DD or tank who knows what they're doing, you don't even need a healer, there's only a few situations where you'd actually need one.

I have a guildmate that has all classes ready for healing trials and you can do a great job with all of them. And I've been into competitive PvE for about a year now.

The sole advantage a templar has is Breath of Life, that's it.

HAVE FUN IN VHOF without a healer - jesus christ I am sick of these posts.

Also, a whole year? *hands over brownie button*

Tasear · January 2018

Mureel wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

I'd tell you to git gud.

If someone is playing an off-meta class as a healer, it's because they know they can pull it off.

The best PUG healer I have ever run into was a Mag DK, and they were good enough to run vWGT with a DPS mag sorc as a tank.

If you need a Templar tied to your belt spamming Breath of Life every other second in order to run a dungeon, then I think there is plenty for you to improve on.

Or because they don't know any better.

Also they specifically said 'I’m sure you can heal dungeons and normal trials easily with just orbs and spring'.

Just because some can doesn't mean all can.

I mean there are a lot of trash templar healers out there too.

The new skill adviser has a build for each healer class. It's going to be officially supported in game design. So yes Templars aren't only healers.

Mureel · January 2018

Asmael wrote: »

Actually, healing has never been about... healing, but buffing, due to how potent healing can be. After all, stamina DDs can already heal themselves to full health twice over with a single Vigor, while magicka DDs get a 2nd HP bar in a click, healers can lay down long duration HoTs and call it a day, bar some high burst situations.

We even considered dropping the usual magplar healers in Hodor for some of the trials (before it RIP'd that is), since they couldn't really provide that much more utility than any other class would, while providing much less DPS. If orbs are enough compared to shards, Repentance is hardly valid anymore, a stamplar can take on the PotL debuff role and Novas aren't necessary in many situations.

And if anything, the "meta healers" for dungeons probably aren't the one you think.

You could be more specific and just say what you think there, so people can understand you better. 'It's not what you think' is same as saying nothing.

I feel like that was a bad move on ZOS to give other 'roles' enough self whatever to basically invalidate a whole class/role.

I am aware we can wear other armour etc but with the set buffs debuffs (SPC, Worm etc not typing all out) a lot of people still expect us to wear - it does not leave us with very high spell damage.

Hodor is different I guess (pre implosion)- but most people would drop their sandwiches if I roll up to something with no SPC on xD

That said, I am already considering a build for my sorc for healing, because I know I can, since I've healed so long - but I legit think that not everyone can because NOT EVERYONE CAN and I finder a lot because i like pain and I see a lot of the common people - not the 1%.

LittlePinkDot · January 2018

Just another example of why I wont bother trying vet group dungeons. Nothing but a bothersome nuisance. Hate working with people.
Ill just buy my dropped set items from a guild trader.

Lynx7386 · January 2018

I've tanked and healed as every class. I can say that I disliked healing on sorc pretty heavily, but they were all more than viable for any non-trials content. Nightblade healing is actually some of the best IMO.

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

Since someone of you missed this, I’ll reititerate - end game Vet Trials and HM’s.

Like I said, if you DO play one of those healers, then you’re not precluded, but expect to be held to a higher standard and prove that you can do it. Why? Because so many can’t (this is true for templars too, but they have it much easier).

And LOL to the person that said they must be good if they are playing off-meta. No, no they “mustn’t” be.

Before you flame, address what it is I actually said, and not what you ‘prefer’ I said because it makes your argument more righteous.

SoLooney · January 2018

i mean op you have a point, but at the same time, youre just extremely triggered lol

for vet trials, yea, id pretty much only trust templar and warden healers

normals trials can be any healer really.
dungeons, you dont even need a healer. ive been fine with a tank and 3 dps

the only thing id ever want from a healer in dungeons is spc and combat prayer anyways

magictucktuck · January 2018

Its actually better.. you get more dps with a NB heals and are done faster... i guess u cant keep yourself alive

SmellyUnlimited · January 2018

magictucktuck wrote: »

Its actually better.. you get more dps with a NB heals and are done faster... i guess u cant keep yourself alive

More dps...in a vet trial....

When exactly does the nightblade have time to do that when he should be worrying about buffing his teammates??

Oh right, you didn’t read the post at all.

kypranb14_ESO · January 2018

The Elder Scrolls Online & Class Healing

Nightblades have:
Heal others- Funnel Health, Healthy Offering, Sap Essence, Soul Siphon, Refreshing Path, and Veil of Blades (Synergy heal). 6

Heal self- have Funnel Health, Healthy Offering, Sap Essence, Soul Siphon, Refreshing Path, Reaper's Mark, Killers Blade, Siphoning Attacks. 8

Templars have:
Heal others- Rememberance, Breath of Life, Hasty Prayer, Repentance, Extended Ritual, and Purifying Light. 6

Heal self- Rememberance, Breath of Life, Hasty Prayer, Repentance, Extended Ritual, and Purifying Light, Puncturing Sweep, and Radiant Glory. 8

Dragonknights have:
Heal others- Cauterize, and Obsidian Shard. 2

Heal self- Cauterize, Obsidian Shard, Burning Embers, Flame Lash, Green Dragon Blood, Inhale, Battle Roar passive. 7

Sorcerers have:
Heal others- Absorption Field and Twilight reactivation. 2

Heal self- Absorption Field, Twilight reactivation, Clanfear reactivation, Dark Deal, and Surge. 5

Wardens have:
Heal others- Secluded Grove, Fungal Growth, Healing Seed, Living Vines, Lotus Flower, Natures Grasp, and Polar Wind. 7

Heal self- Secluded Grove, Fungal Growth, Healing Seed, Living Vines, Lotus Flower, Natures Embrace and Polar Wind. 7

*This only covers class abilities. This does not cover power defensive effects that prevent large amounts of damage, healing from sources outside of classes, only healing. Sorcerers and Dragonknights are a little light on their ability to heal others, but every single class has sufficient self healing without including non-class sources.

I play a Nightblade DPS-healer, and often queue as both DPS and Healer, as I can do both without switching any abilities for Veteran Dungeon Hard Modes.

I have only seen 1 Templar Healer who was capable of pushing me below 50% of the teams healing, he managed to get me down to 42.8%. Most of the time I hover between 70-100% depending on the team. I manage to get these healing percentages because my heals are passive just from attacking, and are up 100% of the time.