vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

person with 9 threads on the front page (at the time of posting).

Illurian wrote: »

Wow, I actually just went to count and you weren't even exaggerating. 9 threads on the front page exactly.

One person went through all of someone's old threads and bumped them all. Practically anyone can do that to anyone here.

I noticed this as well. Those who are actively trying to find more fuel in all this should probably stop lest they burn themselves in their crusade.

Perhaps. But as I was trying to point out with a bit of humor, you can’t really claim they were nercoed or even that that the theads are ‘old’.

At most you can say well someone went through and bumped my threads that had already fallen off the front page to make it look worst then it is. And I don’t really think there is a rule against bumping post that fell off the front page. So unless they are also doing something else, I’m not sure how they would burn themselves.

Although it is an ESO forum and they can pretty much make up the rules as they go. So who knows.

Bumping is against the rules. Mods get to decide what is bumping, and what is not.

"2.7 You may not disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms, message forums or games with vulgar language, abusive behavior, multiple key returns or posting large images in an attempt to disturb other users. Spamming, flooding [posting repetitive text], bumping and any other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated."

Ah. I had not looked at the actual thread. I just assumed the person was smart enough to reply to the threads like they were actually engaging in the conversation. Not just BUMP!

That is where the mods come in. Seeing "bump" is easy, but a person on a pattern determined to bump select threads, even if they try to hide the bump, could run up against ZOS_KatP , and not in a good way.

SisterGoat wrote: »

I consider one or 2 word posts that contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation for the sake of getting the the topic to the top of the page as bumping.

I'm screwed.

Illurian wrote: »

Oh I have no issues with threads that are "more chill" or are rants or praises or anything that is related to the game to be in the General Discussion forum. Just not when half of them are from the same person. Again, the issue isn't about the General Discussion forums being filled with unimportant threads by the community in general. It's about one person

One person?
So your problem is that one person posts too often? Seriously?
You do realise how ridiculous it sounds? You wouldn't have that problem if the person in question kept posting, by your standards, super awesome and insightful posts?

As I stated earlier (that you conveniently cut out while cherry picking with your quote), I'm actually very neutral on the subject. It's interesting to see what arguments people come up with for or against. I myself haven't even voted on the poll because I'm genuinely curious as to what people think.

So now you know.
And I was not cherry picking. You asked for an opinion, you got it.

There is a difference between a new player creating a thread about something that they genuinely didn't know had been discussed before and someone who thrives on selecting subjects that are largely controversial (that has active discussions virtually on a weekly basis) and that he knows will create more endless back and forth.

You do realise we're talking about one person in particular that apparently gets on your nerves..and because of that you'd love a thread cap?

So censorship is not necessarily a bad thing, and it is strange to hear an ex "mod" imply that censorship is automatically an evil.

Censorship and rules of conduct, so to speak, are two different things. Hopefully, you see the difference.
Censorship is bad. Period.
"Make this person post less because they get on my nerves"...this is what you suggest. I don't like it. The number of people replying to such "unwanted" and supposedly annoying threads should determine whether a topic is interesting or not. Ignore it, it's simple as that.

There are already very stringent rules and "censorship" on this, or any average gaming forum. These censorship rules are for the betterment of the community, protecting its members from being named and shamed, being insulted, etc. Spam rules are commonplace in many forums and platforms, so this is not a case of precedence. Precedence has already been set. You can't even spam messages in-game. If you send too many messages within a certain time frame, you have to wait a short time before you are able to send more. Does this make life horrible for the average player? No, quite the contrary actually. This is the same concept.

But it's not "censorship". It's called rules of conduct. You, on the other hand, seem to sprout your philosophies because one person gets on your nerves. It feels like it, it really does. Fortunately, it's up to the mods to decide which posts stay and which get locked.

I now wonder if you even read the OP. I had 2 sentences, one of which was a single word. I stated that I was curious how the community felt about people who created an (in my opinion) excessive amount of threads.

I have.. but I tend to "think ahead", if that makes sense.
Personally, I don't mind excessive amount of threads posted by the same person. One needs to be a really frustrated human being if something that trivial such as the number of forum posts or alike triggers that much "argharghh" kind of reaction . YOU do have a choice though... don't click on it. It clutters the forums for you? Ouch!? Do some scrolling? Or is it too exhausting?
OR set up your own forum. This is a public place.

So you haven't been on any forums for the past 11 years and still have the gall to proclaim to be a forum mod, implying that you have more experience than the average forum goer?

I do.

And you misunderstood. Just because I was not producing myself verbally ON forums it does not mean I haven't read any OR engaged in discussions via other platforms. Moderating academic discussion panels in real life included.

I fed a lion once 11 years ago at the zoo. That doesn't entitle me to go around proclaiming myself as a lion tamer.

The difference between us is that I fed that "lion" for 8 years.. you did it once..

duendology wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Oh I have no issues with threads that are "more chill" or are rants or praises or anything that is related to the game to be in the General Discussion forum. Just not when half of them are from the same person. Again, the issue isn't about the General Discussion forums being filled with unimportant threads by the community in general. It's about one person

One person?
So your problem is that one person posts too often? Seriously?
You do realise how ridiculous it sounds? You wouldn't have that problem if the person in question kept posting, by your standards, super awesome and insightful posts?

One person posting too often and left unmoderated is an important precedence for the potential future. If you're as "forward thinking" as you claim to be, you'd see that.

duendology wrote: »

There is a difference between a new player creating a thread about something that they genuinely didn't know had been discussed before and someone who thrives on selecting subjects that are largely controversial (that has active discussions virtually on a weekly basis) and that he knows will create more endless back and forth.

You do realise we're talking about one person in particular that apparently gets on your nerves..and because of that you'd love a thread cap?

As aforementioned, I'm neutral on the matter, no matter how hard you try to push me into any one side. And also as aforementioned, it just takes 1 person to set a dangerous precedence.

duendology wrote: »

So censorship is not necessarily a bad thing, and it is strange to hear an ex "mod" imply that censorship is automatically an evil.

Censorship and rules of conduct, so to speak, are two different things. Hopefully, you see the difference.
Censorship is bad. Period.

Censorship is born out of rules of conduct. You can't type a swear word into a post (it gets censored) because of the rules of conduct. That's not a bad thing, in my opinion.

duendology wrote: »

There are already very stringent rules and "censorship" on this, or any average gaming forum. These censorship rules are for the betterment of the community, protecting its members from being named and shamed, being insulted, etc. Spam rules are commonplace in many forums and platforms, so this is not a case of precedence. Precedence has already been set. You can't even spam messages in-game. If you send too many messages within a certain time frame, you have to wait a short time before you are able to send more. Does this make life horrible for the average player? No, quite the contrary actually. This is the same concept.

But it's not "censorship". It's called rules of conduct. You, on the other hand, seem to sprout your philosophies because one person gets on your nerves. If feels like it. It really does. Fortunately, it's up to he mods to decide what posts stay and what get locked.

My philosophies? What philosophies pray tell do you speak of? I'd also like to address the fact that you're evading the main point of my post. Spam rules have been commonplace in any forum, and is even implemented in-game.

duendology wrote: »

I now wonder if you even read the OP. I had 2 sentences, one of which was a single word. I stated that I was curious how the community felt about people who created an (in my opinion) excessive amount of threads.

I have.. but I tend to "think ahead", if that makes sense.
Personally, I don't mind excessive amount of threads posted by a single person. One needs to be a really frustrated human being if something that trivial such forum posts triggers that much attention . YOU do have a choice though... don't click on it. It clutter the forums for you. Ouch!? Do some scrolling? Or is it too exhausting?
OR set up your own forum. This is a public place.

Ah, so your point is "yes it might clutter the forums, but you're the problem for not scrolling more"? That's adorable. Clutter is clutter, and has no place on forums of any kind.

duendology wrote: »

So you haven't been on any forums for the past 11 years and still have the gall to proclaim to be a forum mod, implying that you have more experience than the average forum goer?

I do.

Sure sounds familiar.

duendology wrote: »

I fed a lion once 11 years ago at the zoo. That doesn't entitle me to go around proclaiming myself as a lion tamer.

The difference between us is that I fed that "lion" for 8 years.. you did it once..

Regardless, to be out of touch for 11 years only to return and to assume that nothing's changed and to assume some sort of authority is really quite entitled of you. It's quite amusing to witness.


Anyway, fairly sure the point has been brought across (even if not to you). We'll see what happens going forward.

Rouven wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

The problem I have with the ESO forums is the same problem I've had with every other forum for the past 5 years or so: they just suck compared to Reddit.

Rather than capping posts, I'd like to be able to downvote and then ignore certain users.

Mh, while I like reddit for some topics I can't say I'm in favour of this sentiment in regards to online games. Too many agendas and potential for fighting, be it the competitive side (edit: PvP or PvE world firsts) or even just from an economical (trading) aspect. Downvoting just because someone is from the other faction, or a competing trading guild etc. He who organizes the most people online during popular times wins?

This is my entire reason against a up/down vote system.

I want to read everything the ESO forums has to offer, the good and the bad without other people's votes dictating what should be on the front/top or not.
I know there are systems to still do that with voting but I still prefer the good old "This is no interest to me *close*" style reading.

Also we have an ESO Reddit for people who prefer the voting system and from my understanding it's very well maintained.

duendology wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

One person posting too often and left unmoderated is an important precedence for the potential future. If you're as "forward thinking" as you claim to be, you'd see that.

Seriously? And what kind of lethal danger this precedence may cause in future? I think all this argument is much ado about nothing. And may suggest that, maybe...just maybe, people spend too much time on the forums (in general).

Well look at that, we actually agree on something. This argument does indeed seem pointless.

The "danger" is of people taking note of the fact that unnecessary BS has free reign over the forums, so you can just spout out as many nonsensical threads as you want, no problem.

Though, honestly, it seems that a vast majority of the community has enough self respect to not want to have the same reputation as a certain individual, so that in itself might be a good enough deterrence.

duendology wrote: »

As aforementioned, I'm neutral on the matter, no matter how hard you try to push me into any one side. And also as aforementioned, it just takes 1 person to set a dangerous precedence.

Seriously? A lethal threat because ONE person has been hyperactive on the forums so we'll face a forumgeddon? Hurry up, ZOS, create a daily thread cap!
Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous?

No one said "lethal", so stop trying to exaggerate something and then act all flabbergasted about how ridiculous the exaggeration (that you created) is. It's transparent.

duendology wrote: »

Censorship is born out of rules of conduct. You can't type a swear word into a post (it gets censored) because of the rules of conduct. That's not a bad thing, in my opinion.

Your understanding of censorship is rather.. narrow. No, not swearing every second word..keeps things civil. Not throwing a verbal meat at each other (name calling, shaming concrete forum members) also helps to keep things civil. You know, being polite and not behaving like an a**hole...

Censorship is when you don't - or can't - speak freely because an expressed opinion - or truth - is inconvenient or uncomfortable to someone else or some group of people. Either you're prohibited by a political system (all forms of political regimes) and you can face serious repercussions if you do. Or you're censored by the public opinion to express yourself freely OR/AND you auto-censor yourself in order to abaide - the already abused and grotesque, yet needed - political correctness for the sake of comfort zones, conformity, and all that s**t...

I'm going to politely decline your bait to enter the whole "free speech" debate, as I honestly have already had that debate several times with many other (more intellectual) people.

I am also far less interested in your opinion than I was when I first replied to you. Others on this thread have made far better points, presented far better without the borderline ad hominem sarcasm.

duendology wrote: »

My philosophies? What philosophies pray tell do you speak of? I'd also like to address the fact that you're evading the main point of my post. Spam rules have been commonplace in any forum, and is even implemented in-game.

I am not. Maybe because you and I have a different understanding of spam. And this one poster in question..as much as the posts by this person seem rather pretentious and ridiculous, they're not spam. YET. Would it even have been an issue if all those threads had been posted by different people?

It wouldn't have been an issue of they were posted by different people, no. Which is exactly the point. Everyone is due to make a pointless thread or thoughtless comment every now and then. Some might argue that this thread in itself is pointless. It's when a single person constantly makes pointless posts and even seems to feed off of people asking them to stop that it becomes an issue.

duendology wrote: »

Ah, so your point is "yes it might clutter the forums, but you're the problem for not scrolling more"? That's adorable. Clutter is clutter, and has no place on forums of any kind.

Puppies are adorable.

Another thing we can agree on, huzzah.

duendology wrote: »

Umm, no. My point is that if I post 10 threads within 30 minutes, each on a different topic.. that does not really constitute spam, does it? Also, again, my point is that limiting the poster's number of daily posts/replies, they way you described it, is nothing more but "make this person post less because s/he gets on my nerves". And again. all this fuss because one poster.
WOW!
What do they call it? First World Problems?

That depends entirely on the topic. If your topics are all rehashes of old topics or inane topics that add nothing to the community, then yes, I'd say it'd be spam.

Again, you exaggerate a statement and then do an Edvard Munch scream at how ridiculous the exaggeration is. This case isn't even an exaggeration, but a straight up twist. It's really interesting to see how you keep doing this.

As stated time and time again, I am neutral on whether or not there is a cap. Read: I really don't care about whether there is a cap or not.

However, having said that, a cap would limit the potential of future spammers.

duendology wrote: »

Regardless, to be out of touch for 11 years only to return and to assume that nothing's changed and to assume some sort of authority is really quite entitled of you. It's quite amusing to witness.

To which I'll quote myself from my previous reply...."And you misunderstood. Just because I was not producing myself verbally ON forums it does not mean I haven't read any OR engaged in discussions via other platforms. Moderating academic discussion panels in real life included."
So, it's not like I got "offline" for 11 years. o_0

I didn't respond to your "quote" because it was edited in after I had posted (or had began posting).

This entire segment was based off of you saying that this is the first forum that you've been on that had a Facebook "like" system that people cared about. Engaging in discussions IRL has nothing to do with the functionality of online forums. On another tangent, I find it hard to imagine an academic debater lose track of the point so easily.


Anyway, as stated before, I've greatly lost interest in your opinion because, well, you simply don't bring anything interesting to the table. I'd thank you for the entertaining debate, but I'd be lying. I'll bow out for now.

Thanks anyway and have a good day.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

SisterGoat wrote: »

I consider one or 2 word posts that contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation for the sake of getting the the topic to the top of the page as bumping.

being honest about it, my initial reaction was that it seemed a little like online bullying to try to restrict someone from making "too" many threads...

plus, a good bit of the time those threads did have responses from other posters - someone else was in fact interested in the subject...

thinking about it now though - yeah, everyone should have a chance to have their thread sit up top for awhile - and, not have their thread get bumped by someone who's creating multiple threads on a daily basis...

I know we've had some "prolific" posters in the past...i guess there are lots of folks just looking for a little/lot attention...

still not sure which way to go on this...

Everything in moderation including moderation

Did you get that quote from a member of the Durmand Priory of Guild Wars 2? I love that quote.

No. This type of topic is needlessly elitist. We know who you are talking about, and just because you don't like it shouldn't really matter to anyone but yourself. As long as they aren't breaking the rules what the problem? It's up to eso to moderate not some elitist forum posters who feel they own the joint.