DPS Tests are wildly biased

Kram8ion · January 2018

Can’t we get a dps dummy that looks like a dead horse?
I think it’s hilarious that people are judged by the numbers they get by flogging a dummy still

Runefang · January 2018

Kram8ion wrote: »

Can’t we get a dps dummy that looks like a dead horse?
I think it’s hilarious that people are judged by the numbers they get by flogging a dummy still

Why? If you can't even hit 25k dps on a dummy you shouldn't be coming to a vet trial.

The whole 'sure dps is great but you need to be able to follow mechanics and stay alive' argument is stupid. You need to be able to DPS AND do the mechanics. The dps requirement is the first bar you must pass and it can be passed before going into the trial. Knowing/following mechanics comes next, but if you can't do dps I don't care how good you are at the mechanics.

SASQUATCH0 · January 2018

I really don’t think dummy tests numbers mean a damn thing. I mainly use it to practice rotation. i found that if you can complete a rotation for a minute and some change solely off of muscle memory, boss fights become much easier. You have more time to think about mechanics and survival. And it also means More damage uptime on bosses. 40k dps dummy test number doesn’t mean *** if you’re on dead or if you aren’t completing rotations properly because you are freaking out about boss mechanics. Take that with a grain of salt though some boss fights are easier than others. Some require just to stack and rotations come out easy. A lot of harder fights require movements and I think that’s when people start to loss dps.

Danksta · January 2018

LiquidPony wrote: »

SASQUATCH0 wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

SASQUATCH0 wrote: »

People here saying using TFS is cheesing the parse? How else am I supposed to get the penetration I would get from group buffs in a trial?

It's a cheese because you're getting a boost in penetration. In a raid parse with group buffs you would most likely overpenetrate the target, thus lowering your overall dps. If you replaced it with a set like hundings/automatons, the extra weapon damage would give you higher dps.

I can say I pull 45k dps on my stam dk solo parse with full pen sets, but hit 50k raid parse with that same setup.

Whereas if I solo parse in raid setup, I'd only hit 40k self buffed but pull 60k+ in a raid scenario. It's all about optimization. Unless of course you're just trying to hit as high as you can solo and that's it, then cheese away, but I'd never put you in any of my groups with that setup.

I meant how else would I get the penetration I would get from group buffs in solo dummy parse. Obviously wouldn’t wear tfs in a trial tf

But why do you need the penetration you would get in a Trial?

You're not getting the crit damage you get in a Trial, or the weapon damage, or the max stats, or the sustain, or anything else. So why penetration?

It's because that's the most effective way to boost DPS, so stacking pen on the solo parse makes for the biggest, shiniest numbers.

But what's the point? Why swap to totally different gear/Mundus/CP than you'd actually run in a Trial just to get bigger numbers on the solo parse? Seems like a waste of time and money in pursuit of big e-peen to me.

I like to see people testing with their normal setups. That way there's an easy baseline to work from.

I like to test in my raid setup as well but then people think I don't hit very hard when I tell them I hit 33-34k on my Stamplar. So I see why people use those methods to inflate their solo parses. I still don't do it though.

WatchYourSixx · January 2018

Inflated numbers are still an indication of what you can accomplish. "Cheese" builds would just have a lower theoretical maximum than non-cheese. If you can do 50k+ on a solo dummy, it just means that your maximum in the exact same setting just with full buffs will be lower than what it would be with a non-cheese fully buffed.

If you can cheese a parse, your dps should be at least that much in trials.

Mazbt · January 2018

Ask a friend to throw you orbs to help with stamina sustain if you need.

Zer0oo · January 2018

A mag dps test without elem drain just would not say anything since you have this buff in any realistically fight. It makes absolutely no point to adjust your rotation/build to a fight without mag drain.

As stam dps sustaining in this heavy attack meta is not so hard on a stationary fight.

Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-Heavy attack-skil-did fall asleep-Heavy attack(Ok you still will light attack on your bow bar but it is still such an idiotic meta)

If you want to blame someone for that BS just nicely ask the combat team what the hell they where thinking.

A dps test can only show how good you know your build/rotation and you can compare it to other players in a similar build/setup to see how good your dps is. (There is no point to compare a stam nb in 2fang+wm+lover to a stam sorc vo+automaton+warrior)
If you have bad dps on a dummy you will most likely not have good dps in a raid which is the real dps test.

But the most value of a dummy dps test is for you to see if you improved your rotation or build if you compare it to previous phrases.

kylewwefan · January 2018

I was working on my StamBlade Maelstrom build that works for me. My CP is different, using different mundus, 2 jewelry Stam recovery. I couldn’t barely get 22k.

Change some gear, now I get 32k. Same rotation. Same skills. I don’t really enjoy beating on the dummy, so it would probably be better for someone with a cleaner rotation.

Maybe it’s cheese, I dont know? I took it to the arena...it ain’t gonna work for me. I gladly sacrifice weapon damage for recovery. Every mob in there still dies with same number of skills fired. Maybe Boss fight take a little longer, but I doubt it’s that much longer.

It’s different taking care of adds and playing mechanics then whooping up on a stationary.

Asardes · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

The American DPS Association of America does not have standards, and ZOS is based in America. Hence the inconsistency

The e-peen is still measured in Imperial units as a consequence

Asardes · January 2018

I always parse with my normal DD gear and either Warrior or Apprentice Mundus, don't time my ultimates at the start of the parse and for some classes I don't even use crafted potions, but use various skills to buff myself if possible without really messing the rotation. I'm still pretty inexperienced as DD as I can pull only about 35-37K on stamina and 30-32K on magicka so I don't want to waste crafted potions and poisons while my weaving still isn't perfected. For example on stamina I still mess up the caltrops LA weave most of the time.