Why do you think we don't have jewelcrafting?

ldzlcs065 · January 2018

EDIT: I feel delighted that my post received so many thoughtful and enthusiastic replies. That being said, when I posted this poll, the question I have in mind is "why should ZOS decide not to include jewelcrafting at launch time" . Many have given very informed explanation about why ZOS failed to introduce jewelcrafting after launch (balance sort of things), but I will appreciate more if you would share you opion about why ZOS didn't introduce it at the beginning.

DeadlyRecluse · January 2018

ZOS want people to participate in PVE content, so they make it with intention that no one can equip two 5/5 crafting sets.

TBH I don't really even want jewelry crafting, I want jewelry IMPROVING. let me dump 8 tempering alloys into each piece to bring them to gold.

Qbiken · January 2018

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Because it will be a major task for ZOS to re-balance so many sets if jewel-crafting becomes a thing. If people think that there´s broken/OP combinations of gear at the moment, it´s nothing compared to how it will be if jewel-crafting becomes a thing.

pauli133 · January 2018

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It's being held in reserve in case they feel a DLC or Chapter is going to flop. Instant killer feature.

paulsimonps · January 2018

ZOS want people to participate in PVE content, so they make it with intention that no one can equip two 5/5 crafting sets.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

TBH I don't really even want jewelry crafting, I want jewelry IMPROVING. let me dump 8 tempering alloys into each piece to bring them to gold.

Most of all that ^ But would want to try some cool crafted 5p combos.

Danksta · January 2018

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Because if they already implemented everything in the game that we wanted what would we have to look forward to? Simply put, they need to save some of these things for future updates otherwise the game would lose longevity.

Defilted · January 2018

It would make is easier IMO to farm gear if you did not have to farm ring/amulet because you are going to use a crafted set. I do not think that reason alone would be why we do not have it.

Does it make crafted sets to flexible, therefore increasing their power? Does it give crafters a big advantage over new players?

I believe at some point there will be jewelry crafting. Maybe someone else can come up with a thought that would prevent it, but I cannot think of one at this moment.

Mic1007 · January 2018

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It was discussed by Paul Sage in early beta, but they dropped it before it went anywhere. I guess crafted sets were already OP enough at launch, that they wanted to avoid creating too many OP combinations.

Now, it wouldn't be too bad, as there are so many good sets, both crafted and dropped. But they have bigger problems to deal with to just introduce more systems into the game.

Turelus · January 2018

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I think it's an economy and balance issue.

In regards to crafted sets there isn't much of an issue, but with world drops it would become insanely easy to get purple/gold gear. Green jewellery drops so easy and there are few sets which have multiple traits.

Also by adding a crafting system with upgrades it devalues the golden vendor and veteran trials, one being a large gold sink and the other being a big carrot in playing veteran content.

lardvader · January 2018

ZOS want people to participate in PVE content, so they make it with intention that no one can equip two 5/5 crafting sets.

If they ever introduce jewlrycrafting there probably will and have to be some restrictions.

Purple max quality (only gold jewelry from vetTrials and the Golden).
Not able to upgrade dropped sets - if so purple max quality.
Upgrading makes it bound regardless
Entirely new sets for jewelry - not include them with the existing ones.
Balancing the ability to wear 2 full crafted sets

Sure it would be nice to craft golden Julianos bling but I think it will remove some of the last incentives to farm for stuff.

Elsonso · January 2018

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1. Crafted jewelry would have to surpass dropped jewelry or people would not use it
2. Crafted jewelry changes the importance of dolmen grinds and other jewelry outlets
3. Crafted jewelry would make jewelry much more accessible, causing a balance problem
4. They seem reluctant to add new crafting systems to the game, which may be due to a desire to reduce crafting complexity and new players being potentially overwhelmed.
5. All new systems need to be monetized and jewelry crafting may not integrate with the Crown Store in a manner that they find acceptable.

FakeFox · January 2018

ZOS want people to participate in PVE content, so they make it with intention that no one can equip two 5/5 crafting sets.

This and I think it would break set balancing.

zaria · January 2018

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Qbiken wrote: »

Because it will be a major task for ZOS to re-balance so many sets if jewel-crafting becomes a thing. If people think that there´s broken/OP combinations of gear at the moment, it´s nothing compared to how it will be if jewel-crafting becomes a thing.

Think its more of 1) and 2), can not think of any combination of two crafted sets who will be OP.
Improving is unlikely because of 1)

Why we can not change hair color is another 2) indicator, lots of quality of life stuff who are missing.

MilwaukeeScott · January 2018

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They need something to give us 2 years from now.

Anotherone773 · January 2018

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If you add a new crafting system, then you have to add everything to support it. You have to look at it from a business point of view. What are the benefits of jewelry crafting?

* How many new players is this going to potentially attract?
* How many current players is this going to retain?

Then the cons:
* How long would it take to develop the system?
* How long would it take to code it into the existing game?
* How much time do you expect to spend fixing bugs, balancing, etc?
* Etc.

You then weigh the benefits to the cons and whichever is greater is what happens. In the case of jewelry crafting, it would add little to the revenue stream but cost quite a bit to implement and maintain. So it doesnt get put in.

The only way your probably going to see jewelry crafting happen is:

1) if the devs decide to do it as a side project when they arent busy working on another project.
2) if enough players complain that its not in game and they have to dedicate resources to it.

But in the case of number 2, they will have to pull resources from somewhere else. So that DLC pack might not be as good as it was planned on being. They might of gave up a dungeon or even a raid, to focus on developing jewelry crafting. Or it may be the main feature of an update rather than actual new content/zones.

There is always a trade off. So you have to think about " how important is jewelry crafting to me?" To me its not that important and i rather them focus on meaningful things to do rather than the ability to craft shiny objects.

Amdar_Godkiller · January 2018

Short of budget, might be introduced in the future

The Sload hold a global monopoly on the jewelry trade during the second era. that's my lore-centric conspiracy theory.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

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It's a balance issue. We don't know because we can't test it but how would a pairing of crafted sets perform?

Amdar_Godkiller · January 2018

Short of budget, might be introduced in the future

Apache_Kid wrote: »

It's a balance issue. We don't know because we can't test it but how would a pairing of crafted sets perform?

I'd be okay with that IF they hadn't introduced weapons for every dropped sets.

I'd have preferred it like:

Weapons and Armor - Crafting

Armor and Jewelry - Dropped dungeons and delves

Jewelry and Weapons - Dropped Trials

If we're going to allow people to slot 2 dropped sets that they can farm in PVE world zones, I see no reason why 2 crafted sets shouldn't be allowed as well.

radiostar · January 2018

ZOS want people to participate in PVE content, so they make it with intention that no one can equip two 5/5 crafting sets.

Z doesn't care about bling people.

Motherball · January 2018

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Anotherone773 wrote: »

it would add little to the revenue stream but cost quite a bit to implement and maintain.

I agree. I dont think it has anything to do with lack of budget or importance of PvE or balance etc. They have plenty of money and likely frown upon dolmen grinding, IMO.

Saturnana · January 2018

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As far as I can remember there was some version of jewelcrafting in the early Beta and they took it out because it was extremely buggy. So as to why we don't have it; it's probably on 'the list' and possibly even being worked on, but it's in nowhere near a stage where they're ready to let us have a taste.

Zypheran · January 2018

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ZOS loves the grind and think we do to. It took me a whole year of running vDC to finally get that purple netches necklace. That's a lot of play time that ZOS believes I wouldn't have otherwise logged in for if I could have made Julianos jewelry. Truth is I still would have spent the same amount of time online, I just would have spent it doing things I actually liked to do.

Asardes · January 2018

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One of the reasons that some resulting combos would be outright broken. Just think about 5 Tava's Favor 5 Hist Bark 2 Bloodpawn with an Asylum 2H back bar

Muttsmutt · January 2018

ZOS want people to participate in PVE content, so they make it with intention that no one can equip two 5/5 crafting sets.

because we can't have nice things

olsborg · January 2018

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They have a hard time balancing the game as it is, spellcrafting, sad as it is to say it, will make the game impossible for zos to keep balanced.

Hurtfan · January 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

TBH I don't really even want jewelry crafting, I want jewelry IMPROVING. let me dump 8 tempering alloys into each piece to bring them to gold.

agreed, combine this with transmuting...problem solved...

Qbiken · January 2018

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Asardes wrote: »

One of the reasons that some resulting combos would be outright broken. Just think about 5 Tava's Favor 5 Hist Bark 2 Bloodpawn with an Asylum 2H back bar

@zaria Just a quick example of a broken setup. Sure, not a huge amount of damage but in a smallscalgroup this setup is really strong.

Asardes · January 2018

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Qbiken wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

One of the reasons that some resulting combos would be outright broken. Just think about 5 Tava's Favor 5 Hist Bark 2 Bloodpawn with an Asylum 2H back bar

@zaria Just a quick example of a broken setup. Sure, not a huge amount of damage but in a smallscalgroup this setup is really strong.

I would call this build Dragonbunny, for obvious reasons

Acrolas · January 2018

The system would require overhauling all the jewelry in the game. As of now, we have six tiers based on trait stones - Garnet, Amethyst, Turquoise, Emerald, Ruby, Diamond. Those would have to be converted to crafting tiers. As you can reasonably have cloth, leather, or metal jewelry, it would be a substantial revision, both for crafting and for loot tables.

There would probably be an internal debate as whether to give jewelry a visible style and placement on your gear. Is jewelry a motif based system or would it have its own plans? Should you be able to completely deconstruct jewelry or just parts of it? If it's parts, do you craft a base piece of jewelry and then craft each additional modifier separately? Would that require a finishing agent to assemble them?

Would jewelry be affected by armor weight passives? Would jewelry have armor traits? Would they each be a 1/3 of a value so that three piece give you 100% of a trait? Could you transmute jewelry? How willing are people to grind more dungeons to get three pieces of jewelry in their preferred weight and trait?

Asking these questions, it become apparent that it's not just an extension of a system. It borrows from what we already have while still requiring its own interface. And while it's definitely complex enough to merit inclusion in a Chapter, all the work required to update the existing system to the point where jewelrycrafting could be implemented may outweigh the actual benefit of the system. That's the question it all leads back to:

Is the system we're creating significantly better than the one we already have?

Smmokkee · January 2018

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Zos wants you to farm for jewels

Vanthras79 · January 2018

The current Crafting skill lines are very symmetric, ZOS have got OCD and they don't want to break such symmetry

Rich alluded to this on one ESO live, saying where are we going to get the raw matierials from? Personally, I think this issue is rather de minimus, the crafting sets are not really that good to begin with compared to the farmed sets.

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