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srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nothing. It’s just a way of trying to discredit someone else’s complaint about something in the game.
“What do mean you can’t do that? I do that all the time, and I’m a totally casual player!” */played 50,000 hours*1 -
Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Casual: Those playing the game having fun.
Non-casual: Those playing the game as a job substitute or social life replacement.
Really, what Ruusa was saying.1 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Peoples sense of self importance. That's exactly what separates both. No idea why some gamers are more interested in bestowing inane titles upon themselves rather than just getting on playing any given game. Makes us all feel special in our own heads i suppose.
Because people often want to play with players who have similar mindsets and goals. Since that is really what separates the two, the label is a way to broadcast intent and seek aligning interests.
If I, for example, am looking to speed run a dungeon. I’ll want to do this with others wishing to do the same.0 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭- You play ESO more than 15 hours per week
- You raid veteran trials as part of a core or progression group
- You have more than five characters who are max level/CP and have all best-in-slot gear of purple or higher quality
- You make more than 100,000 gold per week
- You are the leader of a trial, PvP, or trading guild
- You are the leader of a large social guild in which you personally run at least three events per week
- You have completed the no-death speed-run achievements for all veteran DLC dungeons
- You have achieved the Flawless Conqueror title (completing Veteran Maelstrom Arena in one session without dying or leaving)
- You have ever been crowned Emperor in the Alliance War
1. That is just over 2 hours a day.
3. The game has been out for a long time, and CP is account wide. Upgrading equipment to purple is very easy.
4. Questing and random normal dungeons in that 2 hour period gets me about 15-20k.
A of these things weren't thought through very well. If you have been playing this game for even just a year, some of this stuff comes naturally. I am fairly casual; I don't raid, I have never done MA, I don't PvP very often, but I still have enough mats from crafting to make any gear I want to use purple. As far as CP, I'm only at 380, but every character I have is the same, even while leveling.0 -
Tai-Chi✭✭✭✭
According to OP's categorization, it would seem that I am not a Casual player because nothing in the list for that group applies to me.
On the other hand, only 3 out of the 9 statements from the Non Casual list apply to me - so, only 1/3 of the way there to becoming non-casual.
That must put me in what he/she calls that "fuzzy" area. The "Shades of Grey" - naughty, naughty!
... but nice. 
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »
"Failing" to commit everything to become the best at ESO. "Failing" to L2Play. "Failing" or preparing to fail by not putting in the time or effort to become the best player they can be at different aspects of the game, whether PVP or PVE.
Its sort of like those high school sport coaches who are all about wanting you to put in ALL your effort, right here, right now in practice, and you'll be successful on the team or else you'll fail...when you're thinking "I've got an afterschool job, an english paper due, a math test Friday, the ACT a month from today, college in a year, and my whole life ahead of me."
A casual sports player is never going to be the best one on the team barring amazing natural talent. By some lights, that counts as failing. But there's a big difference between "I'm "failing" to do well by the standards of top-end players because I'm refusing to do what I need to in order to do better" and "I'm "failing" to do well by the standards of top-end players because I have other commitments in life that take up time other than this video game."
Its just like any job really. You get better the more time you put into learning to do something, so the people who can focus time and energy into getting good will be better than those who do not, will not, or can not.
Looked at in that light, being casual at anything is preparing to fail. But those of us who have sat through this same speech in corporate meetings know that this is complete BS that translated means "If you don't give 100% of your time and effort to the company, you will fail and will totally be compared to the mythical ideal of someone who has no life and give 100% to the company." Its an entirely fictional construct used to bully people into meeting impossible standards and giving up healthy quality of life and self-care in favor of the company. In video games, its used to enforce a hierarchy of players, where the "non-casuals" have totally committed so much more time and effort to the game so therefore their voices and money matters more.
I may have been venting a little more irritation at corporate manipulation than I realized here, but the idea that anything less than full committment equals failure is something that we see in sports and business as well as gaming. Its worth looking at the people saying that sort of tripe and asking "What do you really get out of trying to make me believe that? Why should I conform my life to meet your definition of full commitment when doing so benefits you far more than it does me?"
Take care of yourself first. Engage with a video game at a level where its healthy for you, whether that's casual or "non-casual" play.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sigh.
Casual is defined as the opposite of what it is compared against. Therefore, there is no one definition of casual. What is worse is that some definitions are mutually exclusive. A player can be casual per one definition, but not casual by another.
XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Peoples sense of self importance. That's exactly what separates both. No idea why some gamers are more interested in bestowing inane titles upon themselves rather than just getting on playing any given game. Makes us all feel special in our own heads i suppose.
Because people often want to play with players who have similar mindsets and goals. Since that is really what separates the two, the label is a way to broadcast intent and seek aligning interests.
If I, for example, am looking to speed run a dungeon. I’ll want to do this with others wishing to do the same.
What's that got to do with anything? You simply ask for people who are adept at doing those things. You don't go bestowing titles upon yourself. It's cringeworthy at best. Leave the praise for others to bestow upon yourself. It's just another way for some people to think they are somehow superior at something than the next. I get it, some people always talking themselves up because no one else will do it for them. That's the cringeworthy part. There will also be players who rarely play this game, but will still be better than your average Joe and fully competent all all content, so how do those people fit into your definition of "casual" or "hardcore", or whatever inane title you give yourself in chat?
You actually very, very rarely hear the very good players boasting or giving themselves titles. They simply never need to. Goes for all games and other things in life such as competitive sports etc.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on January 21, 2018 3:09PM1 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Peoples sense of self importance. That's exactly what separates both. No idea why some gamers are more interested in bestowing inane titles upon themselves rather than just getting on playing any given game. Makes us all feel special in our own heads i suppose.
Because people often want to play with players who have similar mindsets and goals. Since that is really what separates the two, the label is a way to broadcast intent and seek aligning interests.
If I, for example, am looking to speed run a dungeon. I’ll want to do this with others wishing to do the same.
What's that got to do with anything? You simply ask for people who are adept at doing those things. You don't go bestowing titles upon yourself. It's cringeworthy at best. Leave the praise for others to bestow upon yourself. It's just another way for some people to think they are somehow superior at something than the next. I get it, some people always talking themselves up because no one else will do it for them. That's the cringeworthy part.
You actually very, very rarely hear the very good players boasting or giving themselves titles. They simply never need to. Goes for all games and other things in life such as competitive sports etc.
A label isn’t by default marred by misplaced and unwarranted braggadocio. Sometimes it’s simply an identifier of intent and commitment. Sometimes people want to share what they perceive as accomplishments.
At any rate, yes people do hype themselves and often. Seems like you’re not much of a sports fan if you think it does happen there. The humble approach is one, the hype train is another. Take a look at UFC or Boxing if you want some prime examples. Seems like you’ve never seen a first world X thread hear either.
Honestly it seems like you have a premise that you’re going to defend regardless of truth.
End of the day, sounds like a case of Haters gonna hate.
*EDITProf_Bawbag wrote: »...There will also be players who rarely play this game, but will still be better than your average Joe and fully competent all all content, so how do those people fit into your definition of "casual" or "hardcore", or whatever inane title you give yourself in chat?
I don’t use the chat much, but how I title myself if I did would depend on the situation.
Time spent is not the best measure of commitment. It’s more about how you spend your time. I consider someone who is not causal to be a person who strives to improve their build and gameplay. Who dedicates time, even if it’s limited to becoming better. Fun is subjective. I consider it fun to push the numbers, others don’t. Neither is wrong. I also don’t consider it a negative if a person is a causal. I consider it a description.
Edited by dday3six on January 21, 2018 3:53PM1 -
Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭‘member when “casual” gamer was someone who played Candy Crush a couple times a week on their phone?0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
"Failing" to commit everything to become the best at ESO. "Failing" to L2Play. "Failing" or preparing to fail by not putting in the time or effort to become the best player they can be at different aspects of the game, whether PVP or PVE.
Its sort of like those high school sport coaches who are all about wanting you to put in ALL your effort, right here, right now in practice, and you'll be successful on the team or else you'll fail...when you're thinking "I've got an afterschool job, an english paper due, a math test Friday, the ACT a month from today, college in a year, and my whole life ahead of me."
A casual sports player is never going to be the best one on the team barring amazing natural talent. By some lights, that counts as failing. But there's a big difference between "I'm "failing" to do well by the standards of top-end players because I'm refusing to do what I need to in order to do better" and "I'm "failing" to do well by the standards of top-end players because I have other commitments in life that take up time other than this video game."
Its just like any job really. You get better the more time you put into learning to do something, so the people who can focus time and energy into getting good will be better than those who do not, will not, or can not.
Looked at in that light, being casual at anything is preparing to fail. But those of us who have sat through this same speech in corporate meetings know that this is complete BS that translated means "If you don't give 100% of your time and effort to the company, you will fail and will totally be compared to the mythical ideal of someone who has no life and give 100% to the company." Its an entirely fictional construct used to bully people into meeting impossible standards and giving up healthy quality of life and self-care in favor of the company. In video games, its used to enforce a hierarchy of players, where the "non-casuals" have totally committed so much more time and effort to the game so therefore their voices and money matters more.
I may have been venting a little more irritation at corporate manipulation than I realized here, but the idea that anything less than full committment equals failure is something that we see in sports and business as well as gaming. Its worth looking at the people saying that sort of tripe and asking "What do you really get out of trying to make me believe that? Why should I conform my life to meet your definition of full commitment when doing so benefits you far more than it does me?"
Take care of yourself first. Engage with a video game at a level where its healthy for you, whether that's casual or "non-casual" play.
Thank you for the response.
Reminds me of the EQ days when if you couldn't promise to (and keep to) a schedule for raiding (usually 3 nights per week @5 or 6 hours per night nevermind the actual raid time), you weren't "serious enough" about the game. Or the boss I once had who after watching his employees (all salaried) work 18 hours a day for months, held a meeting the exhort us to all start giving 100% (my smart-arse response of "I can do that! It'll be a nice break after giving 150% wasn't taken well).
The last sentence in your post is one that needs to be considered far more often than it is, in all areas of life.
So, guess that does make me a failure.
Shucky durn.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake5
