Am I the only one who sees this?

VaranisArano · January 2018

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

See, I fully understand not wanting to buy crates, and I support making people aware with what they are getting into with crates, but I tire of people telling other people how or what they should or shouldn't do with their money.

If you want a crown crate item and have the funds to do so, go ahead and buy them. You're supporting the lifespan of the game.

And the melodrama from the anti crate crowd is getting tiring...

^^So much this^^

I'm probably much older than most of you and will do what I please with my money! I am not addicted to crown crates but I, occasionally, buy some. The last four I purchased netted me two flame atronach mounts (the senche and the wolf), the white fennic fox, and a pocket mammoth. Not bad for 4 crates. This game is not for children so I don't have a problem with crates as long as they remain vanity items.

Set it on fire for all I care.

It's not about how you spend YOUR money. It's about how your spending affects the rest of US. You are perpetuating a greedy system and giving the devs more reason to adopt gambling as its main source of micro-transactions (if it already isn't).

If you are so old and wise you should be able to at least get that. Also no one cares about your mounts. Showing off your RNG is kind of pathetic.

"Somebody is spending their money in a way I don't approve of and it has terrible consequences!" - the rallying cry of every boycott since Prohibition.

In a society where people are suckered out of their hard-earned money by corporations at every turn, in increasingly dishonest ways, it pays to vote with your wallet.

Also are you trying to compare boycotts and prohibition? Do you not know that they are exactly the opposite? One is denial by free will, the other is imposed.

I mean bro. What even are you trying to say?

Fair enough. Its just that while you can boycott of your own free will, you clearly object to anyone not boycotting and are complaining at them for not joining in. So what you actually want is closer to Prohibition.

Draeconix · January 2018

I can definitely see the parallel of Crown Crates and gambling but aren't they also just like buying a pack of baseball cards or another collectible card? Each pack of cards has X randomly assorted cards with some combination of rare, uncommon and common cards. You have no idea what you are going to get when you hand over your money. At least with Crown Crates if you get a duplicate you get some sort of credit for it. So if we consider Crown Crates gambling, should we also consider all collectible card packs gambling too? What's really interesting is that the content of the crates is displayed on cards, coincidence? Bear in mind, I am not saying Crown Crates are a good idea for the game, I am just saying, the gambling argument might not be as cut and dry as you think.

Heka Cain · January 2018

Someone please call security to escort op off of the premises...thank you! I would do it myself if it wasn't for the fact that I am so terribly busy unlocking all of these crown crates which have been strewn before my feet...again I feel utterly compelled to thank each and every one of you!

Datolite · January 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

See, I fully understand not wanting to buy crates, and I support making people aware with what they are getting into with crates, but I tire of people telling other people how or what they should or shouldn't do with their money.

If you want a crown crate item and have the funds to do so, go ahead and buy them. You're supporting the lifespan of the game.

And the melodrama from the anti crate crowd is getting tiring...

^^So much this^^

I'm probably much older than most of you and will do what I please with my money! I am not addicted to crown crates but I, occasionally, buy some. The last four I purchased netted me two flame atronach mounts (the senche and the wolf), the white fennic fox, and a pocket mammoth. Not bad for 4 crates. This game is not for children so I don't have a problem with crates as long as they remain vanity items.

Set it on fire for all I care.

It's not about how you spend YOUR money. It's about how your spending affects the rest of US. You are perpetuating a greedy system and giving the devs more reason to adopt gambling as its main source of micro-transactions (if it already isn't).

If you are so old and wise you should be able to at least get that. Also no one cares about your mounts. Showing off your RNG is kind of pathetic.

"Somebody is spending their money in a way I don't approve of and it has terrible consequences!" - the rallying cry of every boycott since Prohibition.

In a society where people are suckered out of their hard-earned money by corporations at every turn, in increasingly dishonest ways, it pays to vote with your wallet.

Also are you trying to compare boycotts and prohibition? Do you not know that they are exactly the opposite? One is denial by free will, the other is imposed.

I mean bro. What even are you trying to say?

Fair enough. Its just that while you can boycott of your own free will, you clearly object to anyone not boycotting and are complaining at them for not joining in. So what you actually want is closer to Prohibition.

Nah, this is an attempt to convince the average person to not buy crates, nothing more.

I think gambling is a waste of time and I never really gamble myself, but I would never take someone else's right away to enjoy it. But I also don't want it to become the focal point of my favorite game so I'm hoping some will listen.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2018

You are barking up the wrong tree. Nothing will change until the legislature makes them change. Crown crates are absolutely gambling, and should be regulated as such, which means full disclosure on drop rates. History has overwhelming shown that you cant expect a for-profit company to do the right/moral thing, as they will always make a decision to maximize profits. Crown crates are certainly helping them maximize profits. If you are in the US, call your representative in congress. I spoke to someone in my representatives office and they were completely unaware that something like this even existed.

Edit: Also, full disclosure, I have bought my share of crown crates (about 10k worth per season). I also have self control and a high paying job, so yeah...

Ley · January 2018

Not a big fan of the crate trend in the gaming industry (except for the free ones) and I have enough self control not to buy them. Don't really care that much if other people spend all their money on them though.

redspecter23 · January 2018

Until ZOS is willing to post your odds of all items in the crates, it's unclear if we're dealing with RNG or weighted RNG. We assume that everyone has the same chance at an apex mount, but that could be false. ZOS could factor in any number of variables when determining your chance. Maybe if you bought 10000 crowns in a month, your chance bumps up to 10%. Perhaps if you are not a subscriber, you drop down to 0.5%. ZOS has never said that the RNG isn't weighted and if they aren't willing to give us the odds, I have to assume it is until I hear otherwise.

Basically, until they are willing to clearly state that it's not a scam, I will assume it's a scam.

Juju_beans · January 2018

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Set it on fire for all I care.

It's not about how you spend YOUR money. It's about how your spending affects the rest of US. You are perpetuating a greedy system and giving the devs more reason to adopt gambling as its main source of micro-transactions (if it already isn't).

If you are so old and wise you should be able to at least get that. Also no one cares about your mounts. Showing off your RNG is kind of pathetic.

If you don't subscribe then them buying crates is keeping the game free for you.

Datolite · January 2018

Juju_beans wrote: »

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

Set it on fire for all I care.

It's not about how you spend YOUR money. It's about how your spending affects the rest of US. You are perpetuating a greedy system and giving the devs more reason to adopt gambling as its main source of micro-transactions (if it already isn't).

If you are so old and wise you should be able to at least get that. Also no one cares about your mounts. Showing off your RNG is kind of pathetic.

If you don't subscribe then them buying crates is keeping the game free for you.

The game was never free. They also charge for each dlc pack. It's safe to assume that anyone who plays for longer than the initial base game is either subbing or buying dlc. Not to mention rhe hundreds of cosmetic abd convenience itrms on the crown store.

My point is, we don't need gambling to keep ESO afloat.

notimetocare · January 2018

datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »

I watch people posting their results from RNG crates, complaining about their bad luck and how much they spent. I watch these same people go back and flash their credit card at the crown store for another run at those exclusive skins/mounts/whatever. It's kind of disturbing to see such a blatantly exploitative system become so commonplace. Real-money gambling under the guise of a video game.

Please keep in mind, I am okay with the item store and have spent a fair share supporting the development of my favorite online game. That being said, the gambling thing is beyond uncool. It targets the whales and people with zero self-control. Those who don't understand how they're being manipulated into funneling their money into what's essentially a slot machine for online items.

What ever happened to the days of earning a cool mount? Failing that, I am even okay with buying it for $40 to support the game. But ESO is 'buy to play', has an item store, gambling crates AND a sub? We are being fleeced, guys and gals. And the RNG crates are just salt on the wound.

So before we see another Battlefront 2 EA-style debacle, please...

Stop buying crates.

Stop perpetuating a terrible, RNG reward system in a progression-based game. This is not a Korean MMO.

Stop enabling real-money gambling in video games. If you buy crates, you are part of the problem.

They were designed to take advantage of people with too much money or not enough self-control. Don't be that guy.

When you buy crates you not only waste money, but you compromise the future of the game for the rest of us.

Please, stop letting the publisher rip you off.

All marketing is explotative. Ban capitalism and ban all free choice in purchase