The Definitive Definition of an Elite ESO Player

Asardes · January 2018

KRBC wrote: »

An elite player is some one who has purchased every item in the crown store, gets every item from every season of loot crates, has all DLCs/Expansions and has ESO plus

That kind of player has a different popular definition

lynog85 · January 2018

Apherius wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
[*]Has a microphone for voice chat capability

So according to this i'm not an elite player because i don't have a microphone for voice chat capability, even if I completed Veteran Trial, Veteran Dungeon in HM/No death / speed without saying a single word in 3 years. I prefer to listen, analyze then act.

None of what you said makes you elite though. Vet dungeons hm and no death are literal childs play. Very very basic skills needed to complete any of that.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

So, requires good skele parse, but does not explicitly require "rudimenray knowledge/experience of how to DPS dungeons."

L o l

I also enjoy

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

So, "Has a sound card and at least a $10 headset."

Personally, I'd rate the ability to communicate far higher than the mere ability to speak, any day of the week.

I don't see the purpose in this thread.
Many of the things listed hinge on the abilities of others. Group content is only 1/4th to 1/12th about you...
Who cares what anothers' definition or requirement is?
Still don't see the purpose in this thread.

teladoy · January 2018

Have not a family
Have no Children
Have no a real work
Have no a real social life
Spend the 70% of your lifetime of everyday in front of a computer

DieAlteHexe · January 2018

teladoy wrote: »

Have not a family

Have no Children

Have no a real work

Have no a real social life

Spend the 70% of your lifetime of everyday in front of a computer

You called?

Ch4mpTW · January 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

That person would be me. But then again, I actually do stuff for this community. I am of service to people. And I will keep posting builds, I will keep creating useful tools like eso-database and esoraidplanner, I will keep moderating the subreddit and I will keep investing my time to benefit this community. You can't call those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.

[minor edit for bait]

We can when they're acting the definition of arrogant to a T.

This is the kind of self importance I keep descriving, and exactly -why- there has become a stigma around being in that upper echelon of skill level.

You can do alot for this community, and still be toxic, arrogant, and the list goes on. Accomplishments giving back to the community dont phase those things out, they just underline them.

I said I wasn’t going to respond anymore to this thread, but I just had to say that you hit the nail perfectly on the head. I would give you a million agrees, if I could. For some odd reason, people tend to believe that just because they may be doing this and that doesn’t mean that they can’t be toxic. Why? I have no idea.

It’s like some of the healers and tanks I’ve come across in Overwatch. “I’m healing/tanking for you all, and have carried X amount of players into X rank. So I have that right to call you names and flex my accolades, if I feel the time is right. I earned that by what I’ve contributed.” And we all just immediately place that person on mute, and carry on about our business. Why? Because even though they are healing and or tanking for what the team needs? Their overall attitude and demeanor is what the team DOESN’T need.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2018

I think what this thread misses entirely is that there is a huge difference between elite and elitism.

You can certainly have one without the other.

HatchetHaro · January 2018

Inig0 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

I really can not overstate how much I love your response. Hit the nail right on the head.

Really tired of these elitist PvPrs to be honest.

Woeler wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

That person would be me. But then again, I actually do stuff for this community. I am of service to people. And I will keep posting builds, I will keep creating useful tools like eso-database and esoraidplanner, I will keep moderating the subreddit and I will keep investing my time to benefit this community. You can't call those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.

[minor edit for bait]

"You can't call those who actually help others terms like 'arrogant'." - Woeler 2018

Woeler, really, just stop.

Yes, you do much for the community. Thanks for the ESO leaderboards, the raidplanner, your tanking guides, and probably a bazillion other projects and stuff you do. No really, thanks. I, along with many others, appreciate your contributions to the community.

But you can do away with the arrogance. "The Almighty God". Who in Oblivion even gives themselves that title in their own addon? Yeah you changed it to "The Almighty Lorkhaj" after I called you out, good on you, but that's actually pretty much the same thing as "The Almighty God". And that wasn't the only thing you did. Repeatedly shoving your achievements in others faces in an attempt to validate your points in an argument is one of them. Not cool, mate.

Again, seriously, thank you for your contributions to the community. But cut the arrogance.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

I think what this thread misses entirely is that there is a huge difference between elite and elitism.

You can certainly have one without the other.

Sure don' seem like it. Considering one of the pillars of the endgame community just threw his weight around.

Power, even self percieved, corrupts. And people wonder why we give people the side eye.

Illurian · January 2018

Liofa wrote: »

Sorry to break this for you but these are just things that every average PvE player does . There is no such thing as ''elite'' . When a player completes a certain amount of content with success , other players call him/her as ''experienced'' . If not , unexperienced . No end-game guild asks their applicants if they are ''elite'' or not . I must admit , that would be pretty funny though ^^

This ^

Woeler · January 2018

HatchetHaro wrote: »

"You can't call those who actually help others terms like 'arrogant'." - Woeler 2018

Woeler, really, just stop.

Yes, you do much for the community. Thanks for the ESO leaderboards, the raidplanner, your tanking guides, and probably a bazillion other projects and stuff you do. No really, thanks. I, along with many others, appreciate your contributions to the community.

But you can do away with the arrogance. "The Almighty God". Who in Oblivion even gives themselves that title in their own addon? Yeah you changed it to "The Almighty Lorkhaj" after I called you out, good on you, but that's actually pretty much the same thing as "The Almighty God". And that wasn't the only thing you did. Repeatedly shoving your achievements in others faces in an attempt to validate your points in an argument is one of them. Not cool, mate.

Again, seriously, thank you for your contributions to the community. But cut the arrogance.

That's actually not what I wrote, but it got edited by a mod. What I wrote was "And you, well, you will stay here on this forum calling those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.".

Furthermore, that title got changed sometime after I gave the addon to someone else. So don't pat yourself on the back, because if I wouldn't have given the addon to someone else, that title would still be there. I mean, apparently you know me very well, so you must at least also have known changing that title because of a few forum posts never crossed my mind. There will always be people that can't take a joke.

As for the arguments with achievements, I think that is probably already many months if not over a year ago. Maw Hardmode is a good one and a half years behind us. Apparently it made quite the impact on a certain collection of individuals as they keep bringing that up, even after all this time. Though this is not even relevant anymore, as I haven't caught myself doing this in a long time.

Anotherone773 · January 2018

From my own experience over the years having met many players of various MMOs in person, i see much elite behavior as over compensating for failures or lack of effort in real life. Personally, i dont consider anyone in a video game to be elite. If you want to be elite at something, be elite at life, not a game.

People take gaming to seriously. I see them blitzing though the game trying to hurry up and get to the end and then complain because they have nothing to do when they skipped 90% of the game. Ive played with "elite" players and tbh they are not all that great to play with. They are overly competitive, egotistical, narcissist from my experience of what people consider elite in games. The regular players put up with them because they are exceptionally good, but this literally the only reason a good deal of players will even acknowledge them.

So if i had to define what i would consider a true elite player by my standards:

*That person that gives someone the correct answer to their question in chat despite everyone else trolling the person asking.
* That person that sees someone struggling with a group of mobs and stops and helps them out.
* That person that sees someone that obviously doesnt know how to open a treasure chest but instead of stealing it from them, whispers them and tells them how the minigame works.
* That player that keeps reviving everyone in the dungeon because the healer/tank keep messing up.
* That healer that spend 3 hours in a dungeon that shouldnt take more than 30 or 45 minutes max because the other players dont know what they are doing.
* The group that doesnt quit because the tank doesnt understand what a tank does and worries about killing this one mob while the DPS and healer take aggro of the other 11 mobs.
* That healer that doesnt complain about having to constantly heal that person that is oblivious to red geometric patterns on the ground.
* That group of players that work together in a battleground to actually do the objective( Are you that guy that just goes in and tries to slaughter everyone oblivious to the other players on your team?)
* Those players that teach, rather than kick. That help, rather than mock. That have patience, rather than cursing about how long its taking. That pick up the slack for players that arent as good without a word about doing so. That dont worry about how awesome they are, but about how they can help you be better.

The greatest achievement in a MMO is to be a decent human and THAT, in my opinion, is an elite player. And honestly, its not hard to achieve, yet so many never do.

Tapio75 · January 2018

My definition of Elite player would be one, that can handle any situation given without using an optimal build, playing SOLO.

Is also capable of playing as a team in PVP and in other group situations, can handle more than one role in combat.

Does not need addons to play.

Mureel · January 2018

gabormezo wrote: »

- has no wife
- has no children
- has no work

Many of us are destined to never earn elite status despite we love this game too.

Ahem! HUSBAND who always wants you to 'Lookit' when he plays D2 *headdesk*

Mureel · January 2018

Tasear wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

As an owner of 5 healers and 2 tanks you are insulting us.

These roles take skill just as much maybe even more to do.

'Dontcha wish ya girlfriend had heals like me!' xD lol I'm a dork!

Wrathmane · January 2018

Orticia wrote: »

My personal definitions:

Elite player = Player who is good at his/her chosen play style and content. Can finish that content with knowledge, gear and skills without to much problems. Willing to help others achieve the same game goals if they want to learn from him/her. When his/her content is groupwork he/she has social grouping skills and isn't acting like an elitist.

Elitist = Player who demands others to play as he/she does. Thinks his/her way is the only way. Forces his/her theory crafting and "tips" on others. Belittles others that in his/her eyes are less skilled/play the game differently and sees other players as anonymous npc's in his/her game.

Love the first one, could not care less about the second.

This........

ManDraKE · January 2018

teladoy wrote: »

Have not a family

Have no Children

Have no a real work

Have no a real social life

Spend the 70% of your lifetime of everyday in front of a computer

I nailed every single point of the list. That is not the definition of an elite ESO player, is the definition of the average IT employee lol

Woeler · January 2018

ManDraKE wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Have not a family

Have no Children

Have no a real work

Have no a real social life

Spend the 70% of your lifetime of everyday in front of a computer

I nailed every single point of the list. That is not the definition of an elite ESO player, is the definition of the average IT employee lol

Apart from 'no real work', can confirm. sadface.jpg

Oompuh · January 2018

@Woeler Tries to explain that he was censored and that comment about being censored gets censored

HatchetHaro · January 2018

Woeler wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

"You can't call those who actually help others terms like 'arrogant'." - Woeler 2018

Woeler, really, just stop.

Yes, you do much for the community. Thanks for the ESO leaderboards, the raidplanner, your tanking guides, and probably a bazillion other projects and stuff you do. No really, thanks. I, along with many others, appreciate your contributions to the community.

But you can do away with the arrogance. "The Almighty God". Who in Oblivion even gives themselves that title in their own addon? Yeah you changed it to "The Almighty Lorkhaj" after I called you out, good on you, but that's actually pretty much the same thing as "The Almighty God". And that wasn't the only thing you did. Repeatedly shoving your achievements in others faces in an attempt to validate your points in an argument is one of them. Not cool, mate.

Again, seriously, thank you for your contributions to the community. But cut the arrogance.

That's actually not what I wrote, but it got edited by a mod. What I wrote was "And you, well, you will stay here on this forum calling those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.".

Furthermore, that title got changed sometime after I gave the addon to someone else. So don't pat yourself on the back, because if I wouldn't have given the addon to someone else, that title would still be there. I mean, apparently you know me very well, so you must at least also have known changing that title because of a few forum posts never crossed my mind. There will always be people that can't take a joke.

As for the arguments with achievements, I think that is probably already many months if not over a year ago. Maw Hardmode is a good one and a half years behind us. Apparently it made quite the impact on a certain collection of individuals as they keep bringing that up, even after all this time. Though this is not even relevant anymore, as I haven't caught myself doing this in a long time.

I don't think I should take you seriously any more. "A mod edited my comment to make me sound more arrogant than I am" is a disappointing excuse.

Also, someone had to change your title for you, because even they thought it was over the top. There's an obvious message there that you seem to be missing.

And hey, the first step to fixing things is admitting to it. Glad we got that "shoving achievements in people's faces" out of the way.

Woeler · January 2018

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

"You can't call those who actually help others terms like 'arrogant'." - Woeler 2018

Woeler, really, just stop.

Yes, you do much for the community. Thanks for the ESO leaderboards, the raidplanner, your tanking guides, and probably a bazillion other projects and stuff you do. No really, thanks. I, along with many others, appreciate your contributions to the community.

But you can do away with the arrogance. "The Almighty God". Who in Oblivion even gives themselves that title in their own addon? Yeah you changed it to "The Almighty Lorkhaj" after I called you out, good on you, but that's actually pretty much the same thing as "The Almighty God". And that wasn't the only thing you did. Repeatedly shoving your achievements in others faces in an attempt to validate your points in an argument is one of them. Not cool, mate.

Again, seriously, thank you for your contributions to the community. But cut the arrogance.

That's actually not what I wrote, but it got edited by a mod. What I wrote was "And you, well, you will stay here on this forum calling those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.".

Furthermore, that title got changed sometime after I gave the addon to someone else. So don't pat yourself on the back, because if I wouldn't have given the addon to someone else, that title would still be there. I mean, apparently you know me very well, so you must at least also have known changing that title because of a few forum posts never crossed my mind. There will always be people that can't take a joke.

As for the arguments with achievements, I think that is probably already many months if not over a year ago. Maw Hardmode is a good one and a half years behind us. Apparently it made quite the impact on a certain collection of individuals as they keep bringing that up, even after all this time. Though this is not even relevant anymore, as I haven't caught myself doing this in a long time.

I don't think I should take you seriously any more. "A mod edited my comment to make me sound more arrogant than I am" is a disappointing excuse.

Also, someone had to change your title for you, because even they thought it was over the top. There's an obvious message there that you seem to be missing.

And hey, the first step to fixing things is admitting to it. Glad we got that "shoving achievements in people's faces" out of the way.

I actually posted the mail from the mod in here, but ironically it got removed again. So I'll just pm it to you.

Nihilos · January 2018

Inig0 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

Don’t worry PvErs, even in the PvP sphere this person is considered a huge meme, so I wouldn’t listen to a word he has to say about anything. Inigo pretty much hit the nail on the head. I wonder if Thogard will respond?

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Nihilos wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

Don’t worry PvErs, even in the PvP sphere this person is considered a huge meme, so I wouldn’t listen to a word he has to say about anything. Inigo pretty much hit the nail on the head. I wonder if Thogard will respond?

I dont lisen to a word you say either, so maybe I'll read what he has to say.

I wasn't going to, but since you insist....

Nihilos · January 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

Don’t worry PvErs, even in the PvP sphere this person is considered a huge meme, so I wouldn’t listen to a word he has to say about anything. Inigo pretty much hit the nail on the head. I wonder if Thogard will respond?

I dont lisen to a word you say either, so maybe I'll read what he has to say.

I wasn't going to, but since you insist....

I don’t even know who you are

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Nihilos wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

Don’t worry PvErs, even in the PvP sphere this person is considered a huge meme, so I wouldn’t listen to a word he has to say about anything. Inigo pretty much hit the nail on the head. I wonder if Thogard will respond?

I dont lisen to a word you say either, so maybe I'll read what he has to say.

I wasn't going to, but since you insist....

I don’t even know who you are

What's in a name?

Why should notoriety matter as to whether someone has a point worth talking or discussing?

kessik221 · January 2018

Prescripted combat in a controlled environment where you know exactly whats going to happen and when....sounds to 1337 for me.

Nihilos · January 2018

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

Inig0 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

Don’t worry PvErs, even in the PvP sphere this person is considered a huge meme, so I wouldn’t listen to a word he has to say about anything. Inigo pretty much hit the nail on the head. I wonder if Thogard will respond?

I dont lisen to a word you say either, so maybe I'll read what he has to say.

I wasn't going to, but since you insist....

I don’t even know who you are

What's in a name?

Why should notoriety matter as to whether someone has a point worth talking or discussing?

Well you said you don’t listen to me, and I don’t know who you are, so I’m wondering why I should care whether you listen to me or not. That is my only point.

Notoriety doesn’t matter like you said, though.

LiquidPony · January 2018

kessik221 wrote: »

Prescripted combat in a controlled environment where you know exactly whats going to happen and when....sounds to 1337 for me.

This stuff always amuses me because ... if PvE is so "easy" and "prescripted" ... why doesn't everyone have their DD title and their Tick Tock Tormentor title and their Silver Surfer skin?

Oh, right: "I just don't care enough to spend time doing it. If I did it would be easy."

I hate everything about this thread. From the premise, to the initial list, to the flaming and baiting and sophomoric PvE vs. PvP nonsense.

HatchetHaro · January 2018

Woeler wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

"You can't call those who actually help others terms like 'arrogant'." - Woeler 2018

Woeler, really, just stop.

Yes, you do much for the community. Thanks for the ESO leaderboards, the raidplanner, your tanking guides, and probably a bazillion other projects and stuff you do. No really, thanks. I, along with many others, appreciate your contributions to the community.

But you can do away with the arrogance. "The Almighty God". Who in Oblivion even gives themselves that title in their own addon? Yeah you changed it to "The Almighty Lorkhaj" after I called you out, good on you, but that's actually pretty much the same thing as "The Almighty God". And that wasn't the only thing you did. Repeatedly shoving your achievements in others faces in an attempt to validate your points in an argument is one of them. Not cool, mate.

Again, seriously, thank you for your contributions to the community. But cut the arrogance.

That's actually not what I wrote, but it got edited by a mod. What I wrote was "And you, well, you will stay here on this forum calling those who actually help others terms like “arrogant”.".

Furthermore, that title got changed sometime after I gave the addon to someone else. So don't pat yourself on the back, because if I wouldn't have given the addon to someone else, that title would still be there. I mean, apparently you know me very well, so you must at least also have known changing that title because of a few forum posts never crossed my mind. There will always be people that can't take a joke.

As for the arguments with achievements, I think that is probably already many months if not over a year ago. Maw Hardmode is a good one and a half years behind us. Apparently it made quite the impact on a certain collection of individuals as they keep bringing that up, even after all this time. Though this is not even relevant anymore, as I haven't caught myself doing this in a long time.

I don't think I should take you seriously any more. "A mod edited my comment to make me sound more arrogant than I am" is a disappointing excuse.

Also, someone had to change your title for you, because even they thought it was over the top. There's an obvious message there that you seem to be missing.

And hey, the first step to fixing things is admitting to it. Glad we got that "shoving achievements in people's faces" out of the way.

I actually posted the mail from the mod in here, but ironically it got removed again. So I'll just pm it to you.

Confirmed.

I'll even screenshot this in case mine gets edited to "fake news lmao".

My other points still stand.

Ashtaris · January 2018

The list the OP posted doesn’t mean squat. For me, an elite player is one who doesn’t have to prove anything, but they are just good players, know their gear and rotations, and can learn the mechanics of what they are fighting. They are willing to help their fellow guildies with builds, teaching them new skills, helping someone to help or craft new gear, etc. Those that go out of their way to help someone else, those are truly the “Elite” players in the game.