Question about Zaan Monster set

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · January 2018

Hi, I have no access to pts so my question is how viable would it be in PVE and if it is what class would use such a monster set. I'm pretty excited to try it on my Mageblade.

Morgul667 · January 2018

A lot of discussion about this but first screens show it will be very high DPS. Around 4.5 k DPS

I do believe it is OP in this state but some people argue it isn't

Edziu · January 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

A lot of discussion about this but first screens show it will be very high DPS. Around 4.5 k DPS

I do believe it is OP in this state but some people argue it isn't

yeah and you forgot to add to compare any other from today 20+ other monster sets have very big problem to get even 2k dps

Stamden · January 2018

I made a thread about this a while ago to discuss it: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389659/an-argument-for-zaan/p1

Here's the TL:DR -

People couldn't really agree if it was in the right place or overperforming. Of course it's going to look great in a single-target dummy parse, but when AoE is factored in from the other meta sets, it seems a lot less great. In PvE I suspect It will be a good choice for some magicka melee builds that want to specialize in single-target damage, but I doubt it would overtake Skoria or Grothdarr as most people's main choice.

In PvP, it's more of the same. Some people think this set is overperforming and some think it's really bad for that purpose. I find my self siding with the ladder. After doing some duels, it's just way to easy to get out of and has a lot of counterplay. I suppose this set could be a good option if you are melee and are planning on fighting exclusively bad players.

So, depending on your build and if you prefer Single-Target or AoE, you may end up liking this set.

ku5h · January 2018

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

ak_pvp · January 2018

ku5h wrote: »

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

But its only really 1.5k extra on ST DUMMY. On actual mechanics based fights it falls off due to the 5s connection.

Vosital · January 2018

Skoria probably better overall. In boss fights this might be better depending on build though.

ku5h wrote: »

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

Where are you getting these numbers from? Grothdarr, in a group of trash mobs, is going to do wonders for AoE DPS. Zaan will give a 1.5k increase in single target. In boss fights with adds (ie. most of them) the difference is negligible and/or in favor Skoria/Grothdarr.

LiquidPony · January 2018

Vosital wrote: »

Skoria probably better overall. In boss fights this might be better depending on build though.

ku5h wrote: »

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

Where are you getting these numbers from? Grothdarr, in a group of trash mobs, is going to do wonders for AoE DPS. Zaan will give a 1.5k increase in single target. In boss fights with adds (ie. most of them) the difference is negligible and/or in favor Skoria/Grothdarr.

Maybe but Grothdarr makes me look like The Gimp crossed with a horribly burned knob-end, whereas Zaan looks absolutely awesome. Fashion Scrolls Online, dudes.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · January 2018

Vosital wrote: »

Skoria probably better overall. In boss fights this might be better depending on build though.

ku5h wrote: »

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

Where are you getting these numbers from? Grothdarr, in a group of trash mobs, is going to do wonders for AoE DPS. Zaan will give a 1.5k increase in single target. In boss fights with adds (ie. most of them) the difference is negligible and/or in favor Skoria/Grothdarr.

not sure how you think it would only be 1.5k dps

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=2721

4.1k on a magblade

and here

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=13815

on a magdk, 3.5kdps

and here

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=12491

on stamblade, 2.3k dps lol, none of the other stam monster sets even showed up on the top ten of the dps in the other 2 dps test he did

ak_pvp · January 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vosital wrote: »

Skoria probably better overall. In boss fights this might be better depending on build though.

ku5h wrote: »

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

Where are you getting these numbers from? Grothdarr, in a group of trash mobs, is going to do wonders for AoE DPS. Zaan will give a 1.5k increase in single target. In boss fights with adds (ie. most of them) the difference is negligible and/or in favor Skoria/Grothdarr.

not sure how you think it would only be 1.5k dps

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=2721

4.1k on a magblade

and here

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=13815

on a magdk, 3.5kdps

and here

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=12491

on stamblade, 2.3k dps lol, none of the other stam monster sets even showed up on the top ten of the dps in the other 2 dps test he did

A 1.5k increase. So if skoria/grothdarr does 2-2.5k that makes sense.

LiquidPony · January 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Vosital wrote: »

Skoria probably better overall. In boss fights this might be better depending on build though.

ku5h wrote: »

I love how ppl argue it's balance by saying it's much worse in trash fights. Sure it is! But, let me ask you this would you rather have 70k dps on trash and 40k single target, or 80k on trash and 36-37k single? I, no doubt would take 3-4k more single target, since everyone knows, if honest, dps make or break fights only on boss fights where single target rule.

Where are you getting these numbers from? Grothdarr, in a group of trash mobs, is going to do wonders for AoE DPS. Zaan will give a 1.5k increase in single target. In boss fights with adds (ie. most of them) the difference is negligible and/or in favor Skoria/Grothdarr.

not sure how you think it would only be 1.5k dps

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=2721

4.1k on a magblade

and here

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=13815

on a magdk, 3.5kdps

and here

https://youtu.be/czARsjrdXFI?t=12491

on stamblade, 2.3k dps lol, none of the other stam monster sets even showed up on the top ten of the dps in the other 2 dps test he did

Yeah, it does ~2.3k DPS on stam characters but it doesn't do enough more than Velidreth/Selene's/Stormfist that people are going to drop a good 1-piece for that single-target proc (at least, not based on my testing with it). It's maybe a 1k boost over the popular stam Monster sets in an ideal scenario with a useless 1-piece bonus.

It might see some niche usage by stam characters on totally stationary single target fights.