The Definitive Definition of an Elite ESO Player

Armatesz · January 2018

If I have to think of what it means to be elite is knowing how to utilize what you have and what is around you. The people are a variable which can be anything of positive or negative and is always a subjective thing at best. Knowing how to work well with them is another part as well. I think part of being elite is being able to work well with others or not at all as well when the time comes around to it.

Ch4mpTW · January 2018

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

[minor edit for context]

Grabmoore · January 2018

lazerlaz wrote: »

More so than not if you're good at PVP then PVE comes easy on all levels.

More "elite" PVE players get rocked at PVP and continue to get rocked until the end of their days. They can't seem to handle anything outside of a mindless, routine, calculated mechanic that is PVE content.

The moment they come across a self thinking, unpredictable halfway decent pvp player they crumble like origami

Go on and fool yourself more

The best players ingame do both at highest level. Just flame us PvE players, because you play "the better part of the game", but don't complain while I stomp you into the ground wearing my vMoL skin and emperor armor in master angler pink.

Welcome to the forums, newbee

pod88kk · January 2018

Say they're elite but get carried through dungeons & trials

Princess_Ciri · January 2018

Unless you have master angler on 14 characters you are not an elite player. Sorry casuals.

Wreuntzylla · January 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

Interesting. However, it often seems to be defined more by an arbitrary set of conditions and more linked to ego than skill. I say this because surely 'skill' in a game is that which allows you complete the objectives so therefore the most objective set of conditions for elite would be linked to the game achievements and how many have been obtained overall. I find interesting the psychology behind the comments where people claim that 'elite' can only be applied to PVP players, where goals are more domination based and again seems more like a subjective view linked to ego.

After playing PvE and PvP quite intensely, I can report that I see far more egotistical players in PvE than in PvP. But that's just my own observation

PvP has a built in ego check. Sooner or later someone is going to wreck You, no matter how good you are.

Of course. But I've experienced far more toxic behaviour using the group finder. Actually the other day my wife (who has amberplasm skin and 950+cp and knows all the mechanics of vRoM) helped 3 new players who never did the dungeon on vet before and were quite low cp. She stuck with it for like 3 hours+ because she likes to help teach mechanics to new players and help them out. And by the end of it they started blaming her heals for the reason of the group's failure. Insulting her in a range of ways, while she didn't provoke them or anything. Now she may not be the number 1 healer but she certainly knows her stuff... you don't just get amberplasm skin given to you as a healer This is just one example of many situations like this I've experienced with PvE dungeons, not even talking about the competitive PvE scene.

PvP has the same kind of behaviour for sure, but I don't see even half as much as it as I see it in PvE

The problem is that toons die. As a general rule, it's either the heals, tanking or the player failing to get out of stupid. There are way more dps than tanks and healers in any given group, and the chances are much greater that their failures will go unnoticed. Dps tend not to throw stones at other dps.

There should be a huge graphic over dps when they die due to their own failures.

Really, the only way to equalize blame attribution is to have healers filling a bubble with heals in a certain amount of time in the same manner as dps drop a bosses health. The downside is that you can wipe long after it was a foregone conclusion, but the same applies to enrage bosses.

Robby94 · January 2018

Ability and willingness to carry

Sparr0w · January 2018

Someone who is experienced, knowledgable & very good at what they do while still having a good attitude to the game and other players.

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You can't measure an elite based purely off stats, whats to say they didn't get carried all the way - on the flip side, whats to say someone who plays the support role isn't elite because they don't do high DPS? What about the player who doesn't play PVP/PVE down to personal preference, they could be 10x better than a statistical 'Elite'.

What about the top CP players with BiS everything that get out done by 'noobs' because they just grinded their way there and know nothing about the actual game or it's mechanics.

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All in all it's just down to personal preference, those who play for achievements will see Elites as those who have the most achievements. Traders will see those holding the best spots, or making the most as Elites. Those who play DPS will see those with the highest DPS as Elites.

I mean the only set requirement for being an Elite should be... Master Angler

SGT_Wolfe101st · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

According to this list I am like "semi-pro". I have like half of these while toward the rest. I'm not sure about the elite title but being able to do those things makes you well rounded and good IMO. I'd have them in my guild or group no doubt.

Dojohoda · January 2018

This game is complex. I'd say that a player who knows and understands the various mechanics and how to apply them for success in builds, dungeons, and fighting in general, both PVP and PVE might be called elite. Naturally, such people will complete the content that interest them.

Destruent · January 2018

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Add this as alternative for 35k dps for tanks:
- at least 30k resistances and 30k health
- complete all vet dungeons without dying to a fight (you, not necessarily the group)

why should any PvE-tank care for resistances in PvE?

Alcast wrote: »

lel

let me guess @alcast , you just figured out, you're not elite according to that list?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · January 2018

lazerlaz wrote: »

There is nothing elite about PVE and its so cringe to read.

PVE is a chore. Nothing else. After my chores are done I like to go play with the big boys and PVP..

I only read up to this comment on the first page but anyways..

I was going to post "this thread may be the most pointless thing ever posted on the forums"... until... you said that rubbish lol.

The_Smilemeister · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

I don’t understand why this post exists. What’s the endgame objective to it?

red_emu · January 2018

Elitist self loving thread is elitist.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar · January 2018

The_Smilemeister wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

I don’t understand why this post exists. What’s the endgame objective to it?

Izaki · January 2018

Liofa wrote: »

Sorry to break this for you but these are just things that every average PvE player does . There is no such thing as ''elite'' . When a player completes a certain amount of content with success , other players call him/her as ''experienced'' . If not , unexperienced . No end-game guild asks their applicants if they are ''elite'' or not . I must admit , that would be pretty funny though ^^

"Do you consider yourself as elite? Why?"

Imagine having that in the guild application form. What on earth is a person supposed to say?!

Kingslayer513 · January 2018

DoctorESO wrote: »

What does it take to be considered an "elite" ESO player? Not to be the top of the elite, but just the bottom of the elite? Barely elite, if you will? Well, after compiling information from several discussions, it seems this is the criteria:
Capable of single-target fully self-buffed DPS of 35k

Completed all veteran dungeons

Completed all no-death speed-run hard-mode veteran dungeon achievements for at least two DLC dungeons (Cradle of Shadows, Ruins of Mazzatun, Bloodroot Forge, and Falkreath Hold)

Capable of earning at least 50k in one week week from guild trader sales

Completed all veteran trials, including Maw of Lorkhaj and Halls of Fabrication

Completed the veteran Craglorn trials (Aetherian Archive, Hel Ra Citadel, and Sanctum Ophidia) on hard mode

Completed veteran Dragonstar Arena

Completed veteran Maelstrom Arena

Has purple or gold best-in-slot armor in divines trait

Has gold front and backbar weapons in sharpened, infused, or nirnhoned trait

Has a microphone for voice chat capability

Has at least rudimentary knowledge/experience of how to tank and heal dungeons

Achieved at least Sergeant rank in Cyrodiil

Has some understanding of Alliance War strategies and terminology

Has won at least five duels of like-leveled and like-equipped players

Has won at least two battlegrounds matches

Do you have any to add? Or should anything be removed from the list?

Sounds more like a TODO list to be a jack-of-all-trades in endgame. Capable of 50k weekly guild sales? Rudimentary knowledge of how to tank and heal? Has a microphone?

Asardes · January 2018

It's the usual boastful 12yo post: if you don't have my achievements you suck

Inig0 · January 2018

Thogard wrote: »

If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock.

Look at cyrodil, not trials, for elite players.

Trials = home run derby. Competitive, but you're not directly against anybody
PvP = baseball.

Man those are some real strict assumptions and comparisons.

Ill rephrase what you said that way it makes sense and makes the least amount of people look arrogant because how you worded it makes you look REALLY uninformed and weird.

''If you want to be elite, you have to compete against other players, not a clock. [your peers and come out on top.]"

While i think people should strive to be the best at everything in the game, yourself included thogard id like to see how well you perform in vas hm during storm while you have defile blast on you. So far all ive seen of you is holding block in BGs and using brain dead combos on a broken class, i would also say that its only reasonable to expect people to be the best at what they put time into doing.

Statements like 'OnLy pVPerS aRE gOoD aT tHe GaME' is hilarious and completely wrong.

For someone to be considered ELITE they (which generally has a negative connotation) usually just need to have A LOT of game knowledge in the aspect of the game they participate in, be able to execute it, and be doing better than all the people around them who are doing what they are doing.

People go against each other in trials where developing strats, figuring out how to push the most amount of damage, and what skills to use when sets them apart. In order to do things like vas hm no death or vhrc hm no death. Each player needs to perform their job 100% perfectly the entire time.

People go against each other in cyro where game knowledge and ability to execute combos and taking advantage of other peoples mistakes or class weaknesses set them apart from the average pug.

I would say there is the elite in each group and then there is the elite that are that elite in both aspects of the game of which people should aspire if thats what they want from the game.

drkfrontiers · January 2018

Anyone who feels the need to consider their eligibility for some elite fraternity in an online game, needs to take a very, ...and I mean VERY long look at the sad state of their life.

The_Smilemeister · January 2018

drkfrontiers wrote: »

Anyone who feels the need to consider their eligibility for some elite fraternity in an online game, needs to take a very, ...and I mean VERY long look at the sad state of their life.

Almost like he’s insecure and needs validation.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

I'm gone for like three days and a thread like this pops up. And it shows all the problems with this community.

People going PVE is easy. (Subjective, and not a good metric to judge a game.)

People bringing up the old PVE vs PVP think where it shouldn't be. (Yet more evidence of PVP greed and hostility.)

The fact we even had to qualitfy what it is, just sets the tone for what the PVE community has become, and how elitist, toxic, and outright adversarial it, and this community has become.

It's sad.

And it's tied to any sort of attempt to better the game because any change in balance or anything effects that list which so many people hold dear, and they'd rather kill you than let that list be changed or be taken off it.

And that's why this is one of the -worst- MMO communities I've ever seen. Not just mindlessly toxic but so focused on being number one everything, and everyone else, all the things that make a MMO fun? Fall by the wayside.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Izaki wrote: »

Liofa wrote: »

Sorry to break this for you but these are just things that every average PvE player does . There is no such thing as ''elite'' . When a player completes a certain amount of content with success , other players call him/her as ''experienced'' . If not , unexperienced . No end-game guild asks their applicants if they are ''elite'' or not . I must admit , that would be pretty funny though ^^

"Do you consider yourself as elite? Why?"

Imagine having that in the guild application form. What on earth is a person supposed to say?!

The truth. And it'd say much more about them and whether or not you want something to do with them than a thousand niggly little questions.

QuebraRegra · January 2018

PlagueSD wrote: »

Elite gamers: Anyone that participates in E-Sporting events.

Everyone else: Posers.

E SPORTS!?!?! LOL! *rolls eyes*

Kalante · January 2018

When you spend more time in the forums than in the game thats when you become elite

Mister_DMC · January 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Zypheran wrote: »

Interesting. However, it often seems to be defined more by an arbitrary set of conditions and more linked to ego than skill. I say this because surely 'skill' in a game is that which allows you complete the objectives so therefore the most objective set of conditions for elite would be linked to the game achievements and how many have been obtained overall. I find interesting the psychology behind the comments where people claim that 'elite' can only be applied to PVP players, where goals are more domination based and again seems more like a subjective view linked to ego.

After playing PvE and PvP quite intensely, I can report that I see far more egotistical players in PvE than in PvP. But that's just my own observation

PvP has a built in ego check. Sooner or later someone is going to wreck You, no matter how good you are.

Of course. But I've experienced far more toxic behaviour using the group finder. Actually the other day my wife (who has amberplasm skin and 950+cp and knows all the mechanics of vRoM) helped 3 new players who never did the dungeon on vet before and were quite low cp. She stuck with it for like 3 hours+ because she likes to help teach mechanics to new players and help them out. And by the end of it they started blaming her heals for the reason of the group's failure. Insulting her in a range of ways, while she didn't provoke them or anything. Now she may not be the number 1 healer but she certainly knows her stuff... you don't just get amberplasm skin given to you as a healer This is just one example of many situations like this I've experienced with PvE dungeons, not even talking about the competitive PvE scene.

PvP has the same kind of behaviour for sure, but I don't see even half as much as it as I see it in PvE

Lol Same thing happened to me yesterday while trying to teach people vcos HM. I was tanking, after 2 hours of them dying to shadow sense everytime they attempted to kick me from group. I bailed that point, some people just can't admit the problem is they aren't learning the mechanics.

idk · January 2018

Complete all Trails in HM with speed run and no death plus flawless in vMA.

That's a start.

C0L0SSUS · January 2018

Elite players is the ones we can find on the leaderboars.

Getern · January 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I’m going to say this last but, OP. Then I’m going to leave this particular discussion be.

If the ESO community as a whole would focus on bettering themselves and others, and worry only about completing the given tasks at hand? There would be a LOT more people interested in doing trials. There would be a LOT more people interested in getting involved with dueling and the numerous forms of PvP that game offers. There would be a massive influx of players who wouldn’t mind working on their rotations on target skeletons, and being open about their DPS times and all that.

But! But because of the fact that ESO isn’t so friendly as well all like to pretend the community is, and is obsessed with “exposing” this and that person? The community worries about all of the wrong things. At the end of the day, who really gives a damn if you have gotten “world’s first” on a trial clear? Who really cares if you 1vX’d this many players, or that many players? Who tf cares if you have gotten this and that gear in such and such traits, and have said skins? Really though. Who tf cares?

I used to be 1 of those people who was boisterous about my solo-clearing of content, until I realized that it ultimately meant nothing to anyone but myself. And that’s where it was supposed to matter. I used to care about being apart of PS4-NA’s top trial guilds, and having my name on this and that leaderboard. And then, reality set in. A lot of the folks in these guilds were not really such nice people, and a lot of them truly weren’t about what they said they were about. A lot of them used to account share (I don’t know if they still do or not), and also used to do a lot of exploiting or “cheese” as it was called to be at the top of the top. And while there certainly were some gifted players, who really did have high DPS? They were/still are the biggest scumbags you’ve ever seen. They gossip like high school broads at lunch, and are often times than not the stereotypical Internet weirdo. You know. The 1’s who bring up their DPS times and scores to defend arguments. It’s crazy. I knew of more people with VMoL skins and VHoF skins, and were apart of this and that “top guild” that legit couldn’t even beat VMA. And that’s sad. And here these people are wandering about places like Craglorn, Grahtwood, etc. acting as if they are superior to others. It was disgusting. It was at that point I immediately dropped all end-game guilds I was apart of, and or metaphorically burned the bridges with the people of those guilds. I couldn’t take it anymore.

So honestly, OP? It’s not worth it. It’s not worth being called an “elite”, by what you may think being an elite is. It’s all fake and ugly on the inside. The REAL elites? The REAL folks out there who you should be modeling yourself after to be like...? Are the ones who are actively trying to better themselves, and are putting themselves out there to help players become the best players they can be. It’s the folks who put-up with absolutely horrible PUGs, in hopes to help someone get a skin or a title. And aren’t mean and nasty while doing it. It’s the folks who don’t parrot “git gud” and “lrn2play”, and actually are willing to systemically help you become better. Those are the REAL elites. Not some random broad and or dude over the net, who is a well-known streamer or YouTuber who posts builds and or talks about their accomplishments on a form. N’ah. Those are the people you should be cautious of, and stay away from.

Because look. Peep this. How often do you see a lot of those same folks who make this and that “world’s first” thread actively going to help others? How often do you see these people not patting themselves on the back, or acting like total scum on these forums and Reddit? Case and point, there was a dude who was known for being an excellent tank (and probably still is 1) on PC-EU, who behaved like a total you know what on these forums and Reddit. Dude was so arrogant and big-headed, he even had a title made for himself calling himself a god or something along those lines. And people would defend dude’s bs. Why...? Because he was a “well-known” and “respected” tank on a video game. Lol.

Keep your eyes on the real prize, OP. Don’t be fooled like I once was, and so many are that play ESO.

This is not entirely like that. Tell me, cause I used to have many of those situations. How many times did you actually try to help someone, advise him, teach him something in pug daylies or other stuff but he denied ur help? I ve become salty elitist not just because I am feeling above them in general. I am feeling to be above them because they refuse to learn themself something I am trying to share. You know, you do actually lose time on teaching someone. How do u feel when u know that ur entire work was pointless. Example: My national guild, guild leader was taking anyone really. There were not a lot of us, so he was not making a fuss. But hey, while I was trying to teach new players the ropes, they were just stubborn when it comes to learn. We had only 3 competetive players. Everything else was/is garbage, and u know what? We are blamed, because we didn't teach them how to play... This is where frustration is born and you start to despise people. Combine that with getting constantly zerged down on PVP and frustration with proc sets and poisons. Voilà community created Salt-Lord. No first and not last. I guess this is the definition of ur elite player. Don't get me wrong I am doing it on purpose. But it just happens when everyone is going full pug.

Hurtfan · January 2018

Looking at this list, I don't even register on the Elite scale. Good news is, I probably rank pretty darn high on the Scrub scale...