iv tanked many dungeons and trials and hardly done any dps in them and have always gotten loot

Unless I'm specifically tanking World Bosses with just my friends, I don't tank the boss with my MagDK tank unless its obvious that no one else is tanking. Otherwise there's too high a chance that we'll overtaunt the Boss and he'll be immune to taunt for a short while.

When I'm with my friends, I'll taunt the boss no problem, but since I'm only playing with 3 other people (the sum total of my friends who play ESO regularly), I have no problem with loot.

I call clickbait title, came here because of upcoming tanking nerfs

To be honest this can happen in some situations but it's a rare occurrence.

In IC sewers only 12 people get the loot. Pretty sure it's random. DDs have complained they got nothing while the tank and the healers got regular loot.

World bosses which are actually being camped. Good luck finding 12 people for the Wrothgar ones but the ones in CWC still see this during the day. If I'm tanking in these situations I never go full tank, unless there's only one or two more people there. Dropping a few AoEs usually more than suffices for my tank to get loot even when there's players around the boss like ants on a loly.

But in that case a tank is seldom needed because the boss will die in a few seconds anyway, generally with only a handful of squishy casualties.

ssorgatem wrote: »

If there are more than 11 DDs there probably isn't any need for a tank.

Are you a block-tank? Try active tanking (Blazing Shield, Bone Shield, dots, etc); much more exciting and you’ll do enough dps to get credit for overland bosses. Block-tanks are going the way of the dodo, anyway.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »

iv tanked many dungeons and trials and hardly done any dps in them and have always gotten loot

He is talking about overland pve. Like imperial city and probably world bosses.

All I can say is stop being a tank unless you are in a dungeon. Get dps gear for all other content and you will be fine.

I regularly tank overland bosses for lowbies and always get loot. Not sure what you're talking about.

Wait, you only need to get a touch on a wb to get loot, yes? Which you'd do with your taunt, yes?

TheUrbanWizard wrote: »

Wait, you only need to get a touch on a wb to get loot, yes? Which you'd do with your taunt, yes?

There is no Minimum Damage needed to get in the Loot Pool. So, yes, the Taunt would suffice.

If there are more than 12 people attacking the World Boss, it does not matter if you do 90% of the damage, your only going to have a chance to get loot.

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Are you a block-tank? Try active tanking (Blazong Shield, Bone Shield, dots, etc); much more exciting and you’ll do enough dps to get credit for overland bosses. Block-tanks are going the way of the dodo, anyway.

Sounds more like being squishy

A Blazplar is the polar opposite of squishy. Holding block doesn’t make you either good or strong.

Bajatar wrote: »

That explains why I sometimes get no loot despite tanking through the whole fight.

Asardes wrote: »

They are. Block cost increases ~15% next patch if you are using shield play glyphs on your jewelry

Seriously?

"Let's nerf the role that's already rare enough to hold up dungeon queues. What could go wrong!" - ZOS probably

Guess it's time to switch to DPS like everyone else. Seems to be the best choice for almost every aspect of the game anyway. ESO appears to be one of those games where going with the most popular is the safest bet to get patch lovin'.

ZOS doesn't like permablocking in PVE anymore than they do in PVP. But in context, they are also lowering the cost of block in general - hence you getting much less benefit from shield play jewelry comparatively.

Bajatar wrote: »

That explains why I sometimes get no loot despite tanking through the whole fight.

Asardes wrote: »

They are. Block cost increases ~15% next patch if you are using shield play glyphs on your jewelry

Seriously?

"Let's nerf the role that's already rare enough to hold up dungeon queues. What could go wrong!" - ZOS probably

Guess it's time to switch to DPS like everyone else. Seems to be the best choice for almost every aspect of the game anyway. ESO appears to be one of those games where going with the most popular is the safest bet to get patch lovin'.

Tanks are the rarest role because it’s one of responsibility. Block cost modifiers have next to nothing to do with that. You either want to lead or you don’t; you’re either the most knowledgeable person about dungeon/ boss mechanics or you aren’t. Most DPS are utterly clueless about a bosses aggro table or the moves that ignore aggro (temporarily), so you need to have a pretty thick skin for when they lose their cool over their own stupidity. Leadership is a personality trait and has very little to do with modifiers to mechanics.

Asardes wrote: »

They are. Block cost increases ~15% next patch if you are using shield play glyphs on your jewelry

I read up a bit on that and it seems block cost will increase by up to ~300% (i.e. it will almost quadruple), not just 15%.

That's just ... I dunno ... well ... GG I guess.

Thread with calculations: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/p1

Bajatar wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

They are. Block cost increases ~15% next patch if you are using shield play glyphs on your jewelry

I read up a bit on that and it seems block cost will increase by up to ~300% (i.e. it will almost quadruple), not just 15%.

That's just ... I dunno ... well ... GG I guess.

Thread with calculations: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/389032/pve-tanking-discussion-for-dragon-bones/p1

You misread the whole discussion if you think the increase would be that high. For my build the cost increase would have been from 485 to 561 per block, which is 15.6%. I've already re-traited the 4 small pieces from my tanking gear so my block cost would be 455 after the update. Just check the formula posted by the OP and don't mind the usual whiners that tend to exaggerate things. For people not having jewelry glyphs the block cost will actually decrease, due to the decrease of base cost.

Bajatar wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Just check the formula posted by the OP and don't mind the usual whiners that tend to exaggerate things.

That's what OP wrote in the linked post:

Pre-patch:
"Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 88 ."

Post-patch
"Lowest possible block cost for this formula is 336 ."

Just to be save I double checked those numbers based on the formulas and they check out.

Yes, but you are comparing the lowest possible costs before and after patch. In practice a tank doesn't need to maximize that, and has higher benefit investing in other areas like higher stats (infused on big pieces with tri-glyphs), higher magicka recovery (CP in Arcanist), healing done (CP in blessed), Break Free (CP in warlord), and even Interrupt cost (CP in bashing focus) instad of dumping them all into Shadow ward. For example the difference between 48 CP in shadow ward and 100 CP in shadow ward is a block cost reduction from 368 to 336, if everything else is already maximized. It's pretty obvious that those 52 points will be almost entirely wasted. I've tanked 5+ axes in vAA with a block cost of almost 500 and dropped stamina potions and had little trouble keeping them. And that's one of the fights where you have very little time to heavy attack. So the nerf will be very small for tanks who do anything else but tape down the RMB