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BlazingDynamo · January 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

So what's you're logic? This game isn't supposed to produce any great or amazing sets since it's release due to being 'pay to win'? People like you already killed the Warden class because you screamed p2w so now we have a usless 4th class that might as well not even be in the game.

For you or anyone alike please just stop. DLC is supposed to be exciting and fun, if it contained nothing of interest or value why even get it? They already ruined the MMO experience but keeping all DLCs and expansions "battle leveled" at least let us have a new set worth while grinding for.

Just because you decide to completely ignore one aspect of the game doesnt mean the warden is useless. Its a monster in pvp. Also using your logic what you said makes no sense because people like us that said the warden was OP in pvp werent listened to at all obviously.

Its much more realistic that the current Dev team recycled a class from the beta but had absolutely no understanding of it because they really had no part in creating the class in the first place. Thats what cracks me up when you guys ask for a Necromancer... these guys arent capable of that delivery its pretty obvious.

Finally the set can be worth farming just not completely over the top broken in pvp.. ya know the gamemode you seem to think doesnt exist because you dont play it.

Could of been a monster in PvE too but you know..pvp whiners. Instead of asking for everything that you don't like in pvp to be nerfed how about jumping on with the rest of the reasonable people and ask for the battle spirit to be extended instead of butchering every aspect of the game.

Also I've never asked for a necro class, couldn't care less nice try though.

Mangybeard · January 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

How dare a game company try and make money and also make current content rewarding!

I think ZoS should stop making content completely or release it for free. They could let hobos live in the old studio and pay them with soup to keep the servers running.

Hire me ZoS I have ideas.

Lol so your cool with zos releasing an OP set to increase sells?

Yeah I am. Most expansions released for any game feature more powerful gear than you could get from the base game or previous expansions.

Progression and loot keep people playing. If there wasn't any gear to look forward to looting less people would want to go through the content.

If you want to be current you should need to purchase DLC or expansions. The game is already very forgiving of people with old sets and most are viable if not ideal.

Smmokkee · January 2018

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

So what's you're logic? This game isn't supposed to produce any great or amazing sets since it's release due to being 'pay to win'? People like you already killed the Warden class because you screamed p2w so now we have a usless 4th class that might as well not even be in the game.

For you or anyone alike please just stop. DLC is supposed to be exciting and fun, if it contained nothing of interest or value why even get it? They already ruined the MMO experience but keeping all DLCs and expansions "battle leveled" at least let us have a new set worth while grinding for.

Just because you decide to completely ignore one aspect of the game doesnt mean the warden is useless. Its a monster in pvp. Also using your logic what you said makes no sense because people like us that said the warden was OP in pvp werent listened to at all obviously.

Its much more realistic that the current Dev team recycled a class from the beta but had absolutely no understanding of it because they really had no part in creating the class in the first place. Thats what cracks me up when you guys ask for a Necromancer... these guys arent capable of that delivery its pretty obvious.

Finally the set can be worth farming just not completely over the top broken in pvp.. ya know the gamemode you seem to think doesnt exist because you dont play it.

Could of been a monster in PvE too but you know..pvp whiners. Instead of asking for everything that you don't like in pvp to be nerfed how about jumping on with the rest of the reasonable people and ask for the battle spirit to be extended instead of butchering every aspect of the game.

Also I've never asked for a necro class, couldn't care less nice try though.

Yeah everyone complained that the Warden was op in pvp so they completely ruined it in pve while leaving it fully intact for pvp. Lol! How ridiculous you sound. I ask for balanced sets under the system that zos wants to use.. not to crazy? Huh.

I was just speaking about the Necro class in general.

GeneralPardon · January 2018

Oh while we at it, can we also remove Wrothgar since maelstrom destro staves are BIS for PVE and Julianos for magicka. Oh and remove Thieves Guild because Alkosh can be very useful on tanks, remove CWC because of the Asylum resto & destro staff, asylum 2h. Since its all DLC it must be all pay2win right?

Betsararie · January 2018

Valykc wrote: »

People go on the forums and complain when ZOS adds a new set that changes the BiS meta...

Yet if ZOS added a garbage set, people would go on the forums and complain that the sets are terrible and the combat team is terrible.

ZOS is damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Cut them some slack and quit complaining, just enjoy the game or leave.

They are- unfortunately hating ZOS is so ingrained into the culture of the game at this point that it's the default reaction.

Obviously, this set is silly, but using it will likely be fun on some level and might even give some noobs a chance. Experienced players shouldn't struggle too badly

ArchMikem · January 2018

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

For the sake of the game, just don't, you already took a stance on proc sets widely applauded by the community several patches ago,

widely applauded by the community

Drakkdjinn · January 2018

Moar.

acw37162 · January 2018

You git the helmet wrong, it’s going to the other one that is ridiclious.

Niobium · January 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

People go on the forums and complain when ZOS adds a new set that changes the BiS meta...

Yet if ZOS added a garbage set, people would go on the forums and complain that the sets are terrible and the combat team is terrible.

ZOS is damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Cut them some slack and quit complaining, just enjoy the game or leave.

Yeah because delivering something balanced is way too hard right? You do realize how ridiculous this post is?

They haven't even started balancing it yet.

So many unhappy folks in this thread. Go to the PTS and be useful there. Crying here isn't helping ZOS balance anything - go there and help change it.

If not, then when it does go live, no one has any cause to complain because the avenue for getting player input on how to best release the sets starts now. And starts on PTS.

Garwulf · January 2018

I do not like Dungeon only DLC. Do not buy them. Could not care less if sets in them are overpowered. If they ruin PVP for example I just reduce my PVP time until sets are rebalanced or try to avoid situations where sets are likely to be overpowering. If really bad just play another game entirely until it is sorted out.

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

Mangybeard wrote: »

How dare a game company try and make money and also make current content rewarding!

I think ZoS should stop making content completely or release it for free. They could let hobos live in the old studio and pay them with soup to keep the servers running.

Hire me ZoS I have ideas.

The hobos do keep the servers running.

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

Banana wrote: »

Yes, banana....somebody's crying already.

ak_pvp · January 2018

Remember flame blossom. An OP set that got nerfed pre live.

eso_lags · January 2018

Mangybeard wrote: »

How dare a game company try and make money and also make current content rewarding!

I think ZoS should stop making content completely or release it for free. They could let hobos live in the old studio and pay them with soup to keep the servers running.

Hire me ZoS I have ideas.

well to be fair a *** ton of people subscribe to this game. also they must make a killing off of crown crates and the crown store since any mount in this game, besides 4 horses, have to be bought through the crown store (plus everything else). And most people i see have crown store stuff, at least mounts. and on top of it, they are making money off of "chapters" from the people already paying for eso plus which was supposed to include ALL downloadable content. And on top of it all, the servers are junk and i can barely duel at 4am in a dead game, never mind pvp in the main camp on xbox (please someone @zos, try it on a friday night!). I think they need to change a few priority's, just for a little while.

Oh and this post is too soon. I mean i made one about how broken the set is, and lets be clear it is BROKEN, but this is the first week of the pts. Lets at least give them til live before threads like this are made..

Mangybeard · January 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

How dare a game company try and make money and also make current content rewarding!

I think ZoS should stop making content completely or release it for free. They could let hobos live in the old studio and pay them with soup to keep the servers running.

Hire me ZoS I have ideas.

well to be fair a *** ton of people subscribe to this game. also they must make a killing off of crown crates and the crown store since any mount in this game, besides 4 horses, have to be bought through the crown store (plus everything else). And most people i see have crown store stuff, at least mounts. and on top of it, they are making money off of "chapters" from the people already paying for eso plus which was supposed to include ALL downloadable content. And on top of it all, the servers are junk and i can barely duel at 4am in a dead game, never mind pvp in the main camp on xbox (please someone @zos, try it on a friday night!). I think they need to change a few priority's, just for a little while.

Oh and this post is too soon. I mean i made one about how broken the set is, and lets be clear it is BROKEN, but this is the first week of the pts. Lets at least give them til live before threads like this are made..

I'm sure they do make money off those things. That's a good thing because it keeps content coming out.

The more money Zenimax makes the better for most people who play the game. If the company is making money from the game they can afford to add more content. If they are making money by releasing that content, that further incentivizes them to make more, and try to improve the content to attract more players.

This a very basic example of how a company trying to sustain an MMO would function. The fact the game is doing well allowed them to develop the first Chapter, which of course they would charge a little extra for because it required more development time. Hopefully future Chapters are little more content-heavy but it was a step in the right direction.

Alcast · January 2018

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

We know what you're up to ZoS -- releasing intentionally overtuned sets in new purchasable DLCs to increase sales. For the sake of the game, just don't, you already took a stance on proc sets widely applauded by the community several patches ago, no need to revert out of common sense for an extra buck -- we'll buy your DLC anyway, no need for another Earthgore-level headache for your playerbase.

-Drakk

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

You do realize ZOS is still balancing the content on the PTS?

Taleof2Cities · January 2018

How many of you armchair developers have even logged in to PTS this past week?

I suffered through a vMA run on PTS that gives no tangible rewards that carry over to Live ... but at least I tried out some of the new gear.

zaria · January 2018

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

So what's you're logic? This game isn't supposed to produce any great or amazing sets since it's release due to being 'pay to win'? People like you already killed the Warden class because you screamed p2w so now we have a usless 4th class that might as well not even be in the game.

For you or anyone alike please just stop. DLC is supposed to be exciting and fun, if it contained nothing of interest or value why even get it? They already ruined the MMO experience but keeping all DLCs and expansions "battle leveled" at least let us have a new set worth while grinding for.

This, go an play WOW, you can not even touch the endgame without the last expansion as you would be 5 levels below everybody else.
Now Zaan looks a bit OP but its from probably the hardest dungeons in the game.

Vahrokh · January 2018

zaria wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

So what's you're logic? This game isn't supposed to produce any great or amazing sets since it's release due to being 'pay to win'? People like you already killed the Warden class because you screamed p2w so now we have a usless 4th class that might as well not even be in the game.

For you or anyone alike please just stop. DLC is supposed to be exciting and fun, if it contained nothing of interest or value why even get it? They already ruined the MMO experience but keeping all DLCs and expansions "battle leveled" at least let us have a new set worth while grinding for.

Now Zaan looks a bit OP but its from probably the hardest dungeons in the game.

Cool. Another useless instance nobody will want to even try after the first month past release.

Edziu · January 2018

how *** you need to be to def zaan when you havnt tested it while those who complaing have tested it
after 1st week are many many posts about it how its overpowered even on stam build and we have 2nd patch on pts with no any balance changes exluding earthgore with serious balance thing

and tbh even on pve why zaan shuld be 2-3x better than any other sets? when on any other monster set you have just around 1.5k dps zaan is giving you 3-4k additional dps depending on class and this is the only monster set which is giving than high additiona free dps, even on stamina

Now Zaan looks a bit OP but its from probably the hardest dungeons in the game.

yes and? as dung is hard it doesnt compensate is should be that overpowered in compare to rest
we had some hard content whish isnt hiving many very strong sets, but if yes then its or only pve or only pvp, not both and isnt that hard to avoid it on pvp

Valykc · January 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

People go on the forums and complain when ZOS adds a new set that changes the BiS meta...

Yet if ZOS added a garbage set, people would go on the forums and complain that the sets are terrible and the combat team is terrible.

ZOS is damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Cut them some slack and quit complaining, just enjoy the game or leave.

Yeah because delivering something balanced is way too hard right? You do realize how ridiculous this post is?

It’s not even live yet, so your comment and this thread are ridiculous as well.

Turelus · January 2018

Alcast wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

We know what you're up to ZoS -- releasing intentionally overtuned sets in new purchasable DLCs to increase sales. For the sake of the game, just don't, you already took a stance on proc sets widely applauded by the community several patches ago, no need to revert out of common sense for an extra buck -- we'll buy your DLC anyway, no need for another Earthgore-level headache for your playerbase.

-Drakk

ZOS_GinaBruno
ZOS_BrianWheeler

You do realize ZOS is still balancing the content on the PTS?

I'm pretty sure at this point people try to ignore logic if it means they can make another grrr ZOS thread.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2018

The tooltip math works out to be about 3k dps before any CP buffs, half that in Cyrodiil, and essentially requires melee range.

Most monster (and general proc, for that matter) sets work out to give 1k-3k dps on average.

Does the in game testing show otherwise?

EDIT: It's also single target...? I have doubts it's OP unless you build for it (same as every other set in the game), it's just different.

Garwulf wrote: »

I do not like Dungeon only DLC. Do not buy them. Could not care less if sets in them are overpowered. If they ruin PVP for example I just reduce my PVP time until sets are rebalanced or try to avoid situations where sets are likely to be overpowering. If really bad just play another game entirely until it is sorted out.

Which is equally ironic, as you don't need to buy the DLC to acquire the item. RNG and some leftover keys will get you the shoulders. The helm will eventually be for sale on the Golden for AP.

Aisle9 · January 2018

Oh noes, a company making a product want that product to make money!!!1!one

Quick, get the torches, get the pitchforks!

SGT_Wolfe101st · January 2018

Blah Blah Blah, buy it or don't, get the set or don't. This is ridiculous, I tend to be very, very hard on Zo$ and I don't like their marketing methods on specific things. Chapters vs DLC, Crown Crates, Crown $tore exclusives, etc. But new DLC has always offered new sets, every single one since they started releasing DLC. This one happens to be good and have some utility and OMG they are P2W this game. Just stop. There are many goods sets, you need the DLC to get arguably the best 5 piece second set for mages (Julianos) and I could go on. Just don't.

Drakkdjinn · January 2018

Alcast wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

We know what you're up to ZoS -- releasing intentionally overtuned sets in new purchasable DLCs to increase sales. For the sake of the game, just don't, you already took a stance on proc sets widely applauded by the community several patches ago, no need to revert out of common sense for an extra buck -- we'll buy your DLC anyway, no need for another Earthgore-level headache for your playerbase.

-Drakk

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

You do realize ZOS is still balancing the content on the PTS?

Yes, I'm aware - and I remember the last cycle as well. So here we are.

Moar.

Apache_Kid · January 2018

Mangybeard wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

Mangybeard wrote: »

How dare a game company try and make money and also make current content rewarding!

I think ZoS should stop making content completely or release it for free. They could let hobos live in the old studio and pay them with soup to keep the servers running.

Hire me ZoS I have ideas.

well to be fair a *** ton of people subscribe to this game. also they must make a killing off of crown crates and the crown store since any mount in this game, besides 4 horses, have to be bought through the crown store (plus everything else). And most people i see have crown store stuff, at least mounts. and on top of it, they are making money off of "chapters" from the people already paying for eso plus which was supposed to include ALL downloadable content. And on top of it all, the servers are junk and i can barely duel at 4am in a dead game, never mind pvp in the main camp on xbox (please someone @zos, try it on a friday night!). I think they need to change a few priority's, just for a little while.

Oh and this post is too soon. I mean i made one about how broken the set is, and lets be clear it is BROKEN, but this is the first week of the pts. Lets at least give them til live before threads like this are made..

I'm sure they do make money off those things. That's a good thing because it keeps content coming out.

The more money Zenimax makes the better for most people who play the game. If the company is making money from the game they can afford to add more content. If they are making money by releasing that content, that further incentivizes them to make more, and try to improve the content to attract more players.

This a very basic example of how a company trying to sustain an MMO would function. The fact the game is doing well allowed them to develop the first Chapter, which of course they would charge a little extra for because it required more development time. Hopefully future Chapters are little more content-heavy but it was a step in the right direction.

This is only true if they are re-investing enough of the exorbitant profits they are making from the crown store and the crates back into the game. Performance in Cyrodiil and trials has gotten worse in terms of lag and FPS. Updates now come with more bugs and issues than ever before. Performance is getting WORSE its not getting BETTER. The more money ZoS makes, the better off ZoS is. No one else.

JamilaRaj · January 2018

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

So what's you're logic? This game isn't supposed to produce any great or amazing sets since it's release due to being 'pay to win'?

No. It is not supposed to add any "amazing" OP sets in DLCs only, without making them available through equal effort in base game.

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

People like you already killed the Warden class because you screamed p2w so now we have a usless 5th class that might as well not even be in the game.

For you or anyone alike please just stop. DLC is supposed to be exciting and fun, if it contained nothing of interest or value why even get it?

Now what is your logic? DLC with OP rewards is fun, while the same DLC without OP rewards would not be fun? Well then, DLC that wholly depends on presence of OP rewards is obviously utter garbage/plain cash grab and should not be made in the first place.

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

They already ruined the MMO experience but keeping all DLCs and expansions "battle leveled" at least let us have a new set worth while grinding for.

Funny you mention it. DLC zones are battle levelled because if they were not, only small fraction of player base, those playing characters within DLC's level range (typically at or near the cap) could consider buying them. In other words, it is result of the same greed and everyone must buy DLC no matter what mindset of ZOS.

idk · January 2018

Flaminir wrote: »

You're 3 weeks premature!

There has been overpowered sets in non-DLC stuff before, and this is only the start of the PTS cycle and they have specifically stated that balance changes don't start until next week at the earliest.

Also, if the sets are garbage then whats the point... they need to be good or nobody would use it. Wait until the final balance... it'll likely be changed.

Surprised OP is not posting in the PTS section since that is where the feedback would be appropriate.

magictucktuck · January 2018

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

You're 3 weeks premature!

There has been overpowered sets in non-DLC stuff before, and this is only the start of the PTS cycle and they have specifically stated that balance changes don't start until next week at the earliest.

Also, if the sets are garbage then whats the point... they need to be good or nobody would use it. Wait until the final balance... it'll likely be changed.

Yet Earthgore was allowed to remain unbalanced until the next paid DLC dropped. Try again.

lol so? look at all the free to play sets that were OP, you're reading to far into it. and like the guy to replied to they should make good sets to add to game. and if it OVER preforms they will fix it the following patch, like ALWAYS.

I know this next part is not needed but damn people on these form are stupid AF sometimes