Can you guys nerf heavy armor already especially seventh legion

Calboy · January 2018

Leave heavy, because I remember back when medium was meta and it produced some of the most frustrating pvp experiences. Dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge..

AbysmalGhul · January 2018

1. PVP should battle with sticks only.
2. No sharpened or nirnhoned sticks...just regular ol beatin' sticks..
3. No armor what so ever
4. No animation canceling sticks....just regular ol swingin sticks
5. No monster sets, just your ugly ol mug...
6. No shadow , hide behind trees, gank style, just a regular ol guy hiding in open sight
7. No classes, no buffs, no magical potions, or even food buffs....just regular ol dudes and gals beatin' each other with regular ol beatin' and swingin' sticks.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

1. PVP should battle with sticks only.
2. No sharpened or nirnhoned sticks...just regular ol beatin' sticks..
3. No armor what so ever
4. No animation canceling sticks....just regular ol swingin sticks
5. No monster sets, just your ugly ol mug...
6. No shadow , hide behind trees, gank style, just a regular ol guy hiding in open sight
7. No classes, no buffs, no magical potions, or even food buffs....just regular ol dudes and gals beatin' each other with regular ol beatin' and swingin' sticks.

this sounds very similar to my sDk.

Thogard · January 2018

Heavy armor and heavy armor sets do not need a nerf

But medium armor needs a “+ wep dmg” proc set. Spriggans, automaton, etc are great but medium needs something like ravager.

Tasear · January 2018

Sounds like a kid wanting to break be other kids toys.

LeagueTroll · January 2018

How exactly is 7th legion op but medium brass fortress not op? You can play a stamplar, run pirate skeleton, 5 brass fortress body piece, 2 automaton 1h sword and 3 jewelry, 1 vma 2h. This kind of build is just plain broken.

Anti_Virus · January 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

The people I see who complain about heavy are those who can’t master medium.

Because medium has nothing to master only defense medium has is Dodge other then that it sucks and needs changes made to it in my opinion something to give medium armor wearers a fighting chance against heavy

You do have a chance, it’s called shuffle with a mixtu9re of a classes natural mitigation ability. My point stands not a lot of people know how to master medium. I.e medium stamblade uses cloak, medium stamplar uses purge and repentance, medium stamdk uses igneous shield and wings, medium warden uses shimmering shield and movement speed, medium stam sorc uses streak and dark deal.

This.

Sneaky-Snurr · January 2018

Heavy armour as a whole shouldn't be nerfed in the first place.
All you whiners managed to make it phenomenally weaker than before (not that it was strong or OP to start with) but noOOOOoo!
You had to ask for MOAR nerfs when heavy armour isn't the problem.

Nyladreas · January 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

Everyone seems to be running heavy armor specially seventh legion now you whent and nerfed clever alchemist the set i use to use and made it basically worthless let's do the same to seventh legion and all heavy armor sets it is extremely annoying going against someone who is tanky and has good damage do to seventh legion why can't medium armor do this also medium armor sucks ass at the moment

Pretty sure there are lots of people who run 7th legion even in 5/2 medium. LOL.

Ragnarock41 · January 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

Everyone seems to be running heavy armor specially seventh legion now you whent and nerfed clever alchemist the set i use to use and made it basically worthless let's do the same to seventh legion and all heavy armor sets it is extremely annoying going against someone who is tanky and has good damage do to seventh legion why can't medium armor do this also medium armor sucks ass at the moment

Pretty sure there are lots of people who run 7th legion even in 5/2 medium. LOL.

medium offers much better passives now.

ZOS had to make a decision between nerfing the heavy sets/nerfing heavy itself/buffing medium.

And they choose to nerf heavy passives, which was the worst option.(And destroyed my shacklebreaker/hundings heavy setup, which was barely hanging in there against all the meta setups)

Now you're stuck with strong heavy sets and strong medium passives, so the choice seems clear.

Wear truth or seventh back bar, wear a tanky medium set like impreg/f.brass on body, and you're good to go.

Light armor on the other hand is sitting at a a much stronger spot.

Vaoh · January 2018

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Seventh or not , heavy or not, likes of you will always end up getting destroyed.

Nerf seventh? Ravager exists.

Nerf Ravager? fury exists

nerf fury? alchemist exists

Nerf alch? senche exists

we could go on like this till everbody is running hundings but then you would still complain because people can wear it heavy.

I told this so many times now. Heavy is fine. L2P.

Ravager has the lowest proc chance of all of the sets, and is hard limited to only proccing off "melee" damage. DoTs and channels cannot proc it aside from their first hit. This means the uptime is incredibly low.

Fury requires constant damage to reliably reach its maximum cap. The only people who can truly utilize this set to its maximum potential are zergers or groups with multiple healers that can sit in damage to ensure the max stat (25 total procs) are not constantly lost. Still arguably over performing though, would like to see it reduced to 20-25 WD per stack instead.

Alchemist is incredibly balanced due to its requirement to actively be in combat, as well as its low effective uptime. The only way to increase the uptime is to run jewelry enchants to allow potions to be consumed quicker, which incurs a large operational loss. If anything the set should be reworked so that you can proc the set without being actively in combat, with the compromise of you needing to always have at least 4 or 5 pieces of it active (it was changed to prevent people from enabling the bonus and then swapping to a completely different set while retaining the benefits.)

Senche is also balanced since it requires an active resource dump to keep up. 5 second windows with a ramping cost if used too quickly is extremely punishing for the stats it gives. Lower offensive power than any of the listed Heavy sets in question.

Heavy armor in the sense of passives are relatively balanced. The issue is that Medium is so far behind in comparison due to the amount of undodgeable skills, and the fact that an armor weight based on survivability has infinitely better offensive sets available to it. There's no reason that sets like Ravager, 7th, and Fury should exist on Heavy armor with the offensive power they enable. It's fine to have the Berserker playstyle kept intact, but it just vastly out performs medium on too many builds at the moment.

^^^^^everything here
Seventh is just the go-to set because you gain such huge benefit without any sort of wait (Fury), difficulty to proc (Ravager), resource cost (Senche), reliance on pot (Alch), etc. It has a heal attached, can be placed on one bar, and has no cooldown. Had Seventh existed with Magicka-based stats for Light Armor users and Mag Sorcs slotted it, the Forums would legit explode with QQ.

The problem rn is mainly how weak Medium is for nearly all PvP builds compared to Heavy. It’s simple tbh, you can survive burst damage and push back with your own huge burst in ways that are not possible with Medium. You also heal much better.

I’ve also heard the suggestion before that a Troll King strength HoT should become sort of inherent to Medium Armor in order to balance things out. Not a bad idea imo. Medium Armor users could have an inherent powerful HoT like Troll King (which is the only way Medium Armor builds can survive nowadays), while Heavy Armor users have more healing recieved and can take more burst. If that happened I think a lot of people would actually go back to using Medium Armor...... though they’d probably run 3x Robust Seventh Legion jewelry with 2x weapons or 1x weapon/1x Armor

PS4_ZeColmeia · January 2018

i get 6k spell damage, nerf?

Thogard · January 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

Everyone seems to be running heavy armor specially seventh legion now you whent and nerfed clever alchemist the set i use to use and made it basically worthless let's do the same to seventh legion and all heavy armor sets it is extremely annoying going against someone who is tanky and has good damage do to seventh legion why can't medium armor do this also medium armor sucks ass at the moment

Pretty sure there are lots of people who run 7th legion even in 5/2 medium. LOL.

Yup!

Heavy armor as a skill set / armor type is not OP.

But many of the best sets in the game are heavy armor.

Focus should be on set balance.

PlagueSD · January 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now.

And THAT'S exactly why Clever Alchemist got nerfed...

technohic · January 2018

I thought Truth was the new way? Maybe non brawlers?

Vaoh · January 2018

technohic wrote: »

I thought Truth was the new way? Maybe non brawlers?

Truth is a very good set but not imbalanced at least imo. Each of these sorts of sets have a strict condition that has to be followed to proc them. They either take time to activate or make you do stuff that makes activating their proc usually inconvenient but required for the burst potential. In the case of Truth, you not only need to set them off-balance, but as a Stam build you'd need to invest your CPs a certain way to utilize the set at all. It makes a specific playstyle much stronger which is awesome.

Seventh is being used so much rn because you can proc the set every second or even sooner without going out of your way to do it. There's no cooldown lol. Sure the tooltip on the set is high but the same can be said for a lot of sets. The issue is that its has like no downtime in combat, can be slotted on one bar, and also throws out lots of heals to you for free especially when you need it. You can even get 3x Robust jewelry. All of the benefits without any difficulty to proc or time in-between procs that is found on all other sets that give Weapon Damage buffs this way. Pretty much sums up why everyone is using it lol. The set should have a cooldown of some sort like everything else.

Danksta · January 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Seventh or not , heavy or not, likes of you will always end up getting destroyed.

Nerf seventh? Ravager exists.

Nerf Ravager? fury exists

nerf fury? alchemist exists

Nerf alch? senche exists

we could go on like this till everbody is running hundings but then you would still complain because people can wear it heavy.

I told this so many times now. Heavy is fine. L2P.

Told ya these anti heavy armor plebs won't stop till heavy is completely useless.

First and foremost, why must someone who chooses to share their feelings/opinions on an Internet forum be labeled as a “pleb”? It’s getting real old seeing the negativity and overall toxicity of these forums continue to develop and expand. This community is getting more and more bitter and rude by the week it seems.

And secondly... The vast majority of problems which plague ESO’s communities (PvE and PvP) would cease to exist, if ZOS would just learn from their mistakes (and those of other developers); balance the 2 aspects of the game individually. If something is overperforming from a PvP perspective, it is handled accordingly so long as the player is within a PvP environment and or situation. The same goes for PvE.

So it's bad on the forums but in /zone it's perfectly fine? lol

Colecovision · January 2018

I'm enjoying this game far more than I ever thought I would like any mmo. But if the sets like bone pirate's, that I have spent so much time getting, get taken away, then I'd probably just leave. I'm playing a video game to have fun. The good gear bad gear switcharoo is not fun. And if it's not fun, then I should stop and play a fun game instead. People calling for nerfs really need to think about how that will negatively impact other players. If something is THAT op, then just join the party.

On the other hand, when there are nerfs, it would take away a lot of the sting if ZoS would offer gold mats back. As one example, I have 8 different pieces of gold Hundings. If they were to nerf it I'm out 40 dreugh wax, 16 temper alloy and 8 rosin. Or maybe I'm just out.

No nerfs, no nerf threads and no complaining about gear that you can buy for yourself reasonably cheap.

Wreuntzylla · January 2018

It's a bit silly. Here is a basic fact about the current meta. Heavy armor wearers can build to pwn medium armor wearers. Until you factor in siphon and resource poisons...

I got tired of pwning pugs and losing to good players, and now run high regen/cost reduction. High enough that even when poisoned and siphoned I can compete.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · January 2018

No. No. Also, no.

Perhaps tone down certain heavy armor based 5 pc bonuses? I don’t know. Maybe that would help some people? I mean, stuff like seventh legion is really strong but heavy itself is fine. In fact they should tone down some of those sets and bring back wrath passive. Increase spell resist and physical resist per piece by a small %.

In the meantime, to buff medium, make it so if wearing 5 pc medium when you roll dodge an AoE you only receive 50% of the damage from that AoE. Also, rework shuffle to give something besides immunity to snares and immobilizations and make a passive natively reduce snare potency by 5% per medium pc with a 3% chance for all snares to be removed completely per medium piece worn and making you immune to snare or immobilization for 2 seconds. Perhaps when shuffle dodges it debuffs the enemy with minor fracture for 5 seconds.

Vapirko · January 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

Jake why is it that every thread you start is a nerf thread based purely off emotions. Didn't you admit to being a zergling when you're not ganking? I mean thats fine and all, but a playstyle like that shouldn't be crying for nerfs.

I don't see you're point here

It seems like a rage post rather than one made in the name of balance. Also *your

I've just been watching people's streams on twitch and everyone had something in common I was watching they was all running stamina wardens and using seventh legion so that got me thinking something with it has to be broken or it's just ridiculously op and should be looked at if zos thinks it's fine then okay but in my opinion it at least needs to be looked at then I happened to encounter one of these streamers I was watching in pvp and I couldn't budge their health or anything now I'm not the best player but I've played long enough to know that I can usually leave a mark in someone's health when I hit them but this player I couldn't and as soon as they noticed me they came over and spammed wrecking blow and killed me like I was nothing I wear all medium armor and all it took was one wrecking blow and a reverse slice and I was dead so yes this thread is a little of a rage post but so are a lot of other people's on here

Unlikely 7th had anything to do with it then since it doesn’t sound like they took much damage. Either way I think a lot of people actually run 7th as a medium setup.

xaraan · January 2018

Tired of pvper's ruining pve tanking - can we just start putting battle spirit to more use already and stop making tanking in pve miserable no matter what changes are done.

Girl_Number8 · January 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

Mazbt wrote: »

alchemist is still fine you just need to be in combat before proccing it....5 piece tool tip didn't go down at all right? Also you can use a heavy armor set in a medium armor set up...if you don't mind having healthy jewellery.

Thanks for the advice but this is what i'm talking about i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now heavy armor needs a nerf especially seventh legion everyone is running this set it seems if everyone is running it you know it has to be op if they want to put proc sets back the way they use to be and where they could crit i would be just fine with heavy armor but in this meta medium armor doesn't really stand a chance against a heavy armor person unless you are really good you might stand a chance against someone with heavy armor on but i'm talking about your average player that's not an elitist or something like that

You really need to learn your class better, I say this trying to help. Stamblades are in the top tier in PvP. An in this upcoming dlc they will be even stronger. I would cool off the nerf comments before some long over due nerfs hit the favorite two classes of eso.

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Seventh is being used so much rn because you can proc the set every second or even sooner without going out of your way to do it. There's no cooldown lol. Sure the tooltip on the set is high but the same can be said for a lot of sets. The issue is that its has like no downtime in combat, can be slotted on one bar, and also throws out lots of heals to you for free especially when you need it. You can even get 3x Robust jewelry. All of the benefits without any difficulty to proc or time in-between procs that is found on all other sets that give Weapon Damage buffs this way. Pretty much sums up why everyone is using it lol. The set should have a cooldown of some sort like everything else.

I think I have to disagree on the bolded part. Neither do I know of a robust necklace, nor can you slot two robust rings because the Oath-Band counts as an unique item. At least as far as I know.

I also think it's good that you can not run certain high damage heavy armor sets with full robust jewlery. It's one of the few downsides.

Luckylancer · January 2018

@Ch4mpTW at the end of first video, there is a sentatement that supports OP's view. Sevents legion set is strong for long time and we could not found a counter.

It's counter should be "if he dont get hit by gang of players, that set will be totaly useless". I would reduce it's up time in small battles if i were developer team. This will give the set better balance.

The video you post dont fit this game too. This game dont offer good counters to every strategy in the game. Perma block, ambushing into death, shieldstacking etc. Devs can use useless sets and morps to do these. Flanking strategist can ignore block's dmg midigation if you attack from behind, a spesific morp can deal more dmg to shields. They nerfed 1 hit ko gang builds, thats good.

Note: a extremly niche set that require many telvar stones is not a viable counter. Thst set is totaly useless if enemy dont have shields too.

Jake1576 · January 2018

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

Mazbt wrote: »

alchemist is still fine you just need to be in combat before proccing it....5 piece tool tip didn't go down at all right? Also you can use a heavy armor set in a medium armor set up...if you don't mind having healthy jewellery.

Thanks for the advice but this is what i'm talking about i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now heavy armor needs a nerf especially seventh legion everyone is running this set it seems if everyone is running it you know it has to be op if they want to put proc sets back the way they use to be and where they could crit i would be just fine with heavy armor but in this meta medium armor doesn't really stand a chance against a heavy armor person unless you are really good you might stand a chance against someone with heavy armor on but i'm talking about your average player that's not an elitist or something like that

You really need to learn your class better, I say this trying to help. Stamblades are in the top tier in PvP. An in this upcoming dlc they will be even stronger. I would cool off the nerf comments before some long over due nerfs hit the favorite two classes of eso.

I'll admit I'm not a pro at playing a stamina nighblade but I've played long enough to still no heavy armor is just more op then medium especially sets like seventh legion it just needs to be looked into is all for obvious reasons I said before in this thread just my opinion tho

huschdeguddzje · January 2018

No nerf, only buff

Soleya · January 2018

Calboy wrote: »

Leave heavy, because I remember back when medium was meta and it produced some of the most frustrating pvp experiences. Dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge..

My warden has a counter for that.

Cliff Racer, Cliff Racer, Cliff Racer, Cliff Racer, Cliff Racer, Cliff Racer.

danno8 · January 2018

They have added a 2 second cooldown on the proc on PTS.

ol_BANK_lo · January 2018

Mazbt wrote: »

alchemist is still fine you just need to be in combat before proccing it....5 piece tool tip didn't go down at all right? Also you can use a heavy armor set in a medium armor set up...if you don't mind having healthy jewellery.

Why did they waste any time or money on changing clever alchemist??? Wasn't even on anyone's radar? So what if people use to bomb...? That's why we have bombblades.