Can you guys nerf heavy armor already especially seventh legion

Jake1576

Everyone seems to be running heavy armor specially seventh legion now you whent and nerfed clever alchemist the set i use to use and made it basically worthless let's do the same to seventh legion and all heavy armor sets it is extremely annoying going against someone who is tanky and has good damage do to seventh legion why can't medium armor do this also medium armor sucks ass at the moment

Darkstorne

Meanwhile in PVE land: "Can you guys buff heavy armour already!?"

ChildOfLight

Actually seventh legion is mostly used by stamDk that are not in a good spot pvp wise.

Mazbt

alchemist is still fine you just need to be in combat before proccing it....5 piece tool tip didn't go down at all right? Also you can use a heavy armor set in a medium armor set up...if you don't mind having healthy jewellery.

ArchMikem

Darkstorne wrote: »

Meanwhile in PVE land: "Can you guys buff heavy armour already!?"

We'd also like our Proc sets to crit again, thank you.

Jake1576

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Actually seventh legion is mostly used by stamDk that are not in a good spot pvp wise.

And stam wardens or anyone else that runs heavy armor it's ridiculously op no one should be able to be tanky and do high damage if you wear nothing but medium armor like i do you would understand my frustration

Jake1576

Mazbt wrote: »

alchemist is still fine you just need to be in combat before proccing it....5 piece tool tip didn't go down at all right? Also you can use a heavy armor set in a medium armor set up...if you don't mind having healthy jewellery.

Thanks for the advice but this is what i'm talking about i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now heavy armor needs a nerf especially seventh legion everyone is running this set it seems if everyone is running it you know it has to be op if they want to put proc sets back the way they use to be and where they could crit i would be just fine with heavy armor but in this meta medium armor doesn't really stand a chance against a heavy armor person unless you are really good you might stand a chance against someone with heavy armor on but i'm talking about your average player that's not an elitist or something like that

Brutusmax1mus

Seventh needs adjusting on the damage slightly. The healing seems broken. The healing needs an internal cooldown of a second or 2.

Ragnarock41

Seventh or not , heavy or not, likes of you will always end up getting destroyed.

Nerf seventh? Ravager exists.

Nerf Ravager? fury exists

nerf fury? alchemist exists

Nerf alch? senche exists

we could go on like this till everbody is running hundings but then you would still complain because people can wear it heavy.


I told this so many times now. Heavy is fine. L2P.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Jake1576 wrote: »

everyone is running this set it seems if everyone is running it you know it has to be op

I would like to highlight this sentence. If I could, I would print this banner sized so I could look at it for inspiration every morning.

Everyone is running this set.

Everyone.

That shield stacking magicka sorc that killed me in PvP was definately running 7th legion. Nerf it and nerf sorcs too.
If everyone is doing something. It must be OP. No further analysis needed. Not even for the veracity of the initial statement.

NERF NERF NERF

Because remember people, its one single gear set that is making things OP, not the champion system that is creating runaway power creep...

This whole "if something stands out, hammer it down" philosophy is killing diversity in this game.

Loc2262

ArchMikem wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

Meanwhile in PVE land: "Can you guys buff heavy armour already!?"

We'd also like our Proc sets to crit again, thank you.

That'd be awesome, I still have a collection of Viper stuff from the good old days collecting dust in my bank!

ParaNostram

They already nerfed Heavy Armor fine. If anything needs nerfed, it's the specific sets that people are curling up with at night, lovingly stroking that special pair of pants that brings their no skill meta licking self a victory.

Acrolas

Jake1576 wrote: »

i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now heavy armor needs a nerf especially seventh legion

And that's how you Dwemer Torpedo your own argument.

Colecovision

Actually, I'd prefer that ZoS make a direct statement that they won't nerf anything sold at the gold vendor for at least 3 months. That gold vendor gear is perfectly priced imo. Most people can get it, but they can't get a lot of it, so it's a genuine commitment. Selling it Friday and nerfing it on Sunday isn't even close to cool.

Seventh needs to be left alone.

ak_pvp

Heavy is fine. Honestly a bit underwhelming as mag, constitution is a bit ass and wrath is rip. But still strong on stam due to these sets, also since medium armour kind of sucks. However. They don't really need a nerf since they predominantly shine in outnumbered situations and aren't as strong in a 1v1.

Worse comes to worst lower proc chance a little, then it'd be less strong against less people 1/2/3 people etc.

Venom4You

I am so sick of all these "nerf this nerf that" threads. Instead of starting a discussion about balance people just come to cry about certain things on forums. people must have changed in the gaming communities in the last 10 years. Much more constructive talk in the past.
In my opinion armor in ESO depends now on personal preference and every armor class is in a good spot after last patches (shuffle, harness, constitution/wrath passives). Independent from the sets. In the right hands every armor style can perform decent now in eso. If people complain that they get rekt by a small scaler in heavy armor 7th legion when they attack him with multiple zergy fellows and get rekt its not due to the armor set but their lack of skill. I know many people running successful, bursty light and medium builds with "stereotype" heavy classes. Light and medium feature: Good burst independent from set procs. Heavy armor burst depends on set procs alone and most set procs are only really up "24/7" when fighting outnumbered and thereby granting a fair buff for the outnumbered player.

Didgerion

Jake1576 wrote: »

Everyone seems to be running heavy armor specially seventh legion now you whent and nerfed clever alchemist the set i use to use and made it basically worthless let's do the same to seventh legion and all heavy armor sets it is extremely annoying going against someone who is tanky and has good damage do to seventh legion why can't medium armor do this also medium armor sucks ass at the moment

There are medium armor builds out there much more powerful than 7th legion on certain classes ([Ahem]'arden; [Ahem]'ightBlade).
Maybe those builds should be nerfed first before you intend to leave already under-performing classes with no build options?

Cheers!

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Jake1576 wrote: »

i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now heavy armor needs a nerf especially seventh legion

Yeah its such a shame. Clever alchemist used to be such a nice set. Then someone probably went on the forums and made a cry thread asking for it to be nerfed and ZOS listened. Sort of like this one...

Can you step back and read your own thread? You are asking for a nerf to a playstyle you don't like while, in the same breath, complaining about a nerf to a playstyle you did like.

Is this real life? I feel like I owe ZOS an apology for every time I said they don't listen. How can they listen when people create threads that contradict themselves, and cry for nerfs for other's playstyles while asking for buffs for their own.

This is scissors asking to nerf rock but saying paper is ok.

Jake1576

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

i want clever alchemist back the way it use to be where you could proc it before going into combat i use to use it to gank with and the way they made it now it is useless for ganking now heavy armor needs a nerf especially seventh legion

Yeah its such a shame. Clever alchemist used to be such a nice set. Then someone probably went on the forums and made a rant thread asking for it to be nerfed and ZOS listened. Sort of like this one...

Can you step back and read your own thread? You are asking for a nerf to a playstyle you don't like while, in the same breath, complaining about a nerf to a playstyle you did like.

Is this real life? I feel like I owe ZOS an apology for every time I said they don't listen. How can they listen when people create threads that contradict themselves, and cry for nerfs for other's playstyles while asking for buffs for their own.

This is scissons asking to nerf rock but saying paper is ok.

I see your point but they took peoples ability away when they nerfed proc sets and sets like clever alchemist to stand a chance against heavy armor so it is zos fault for nerfing one aspect of the game but still leaving another aspect of it op they seem to listen to the wrong ppl without thinking about the repercussions that will follow after

Gilliamtherogue

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Seventh or not , heavy or not, likes of you will always end up getting destroyed.

Nerf seventh? Ravager exists.

Nerf Ravager? fury exists

nerf fury? alchemist exists

Nerf alch? senche exists

we could go on like this till everbody is running hundings but then you would still complain because people can wear it heavy.


I told this so many times now. Heavy is fine. L2P.

Ravager has the lowest proc chance of all of the sets, and is hard limited to only proccing off "melee" damage. DoTs and channels cannot proc it aside from their first hit. This means the uptime is incredibly low.

Fury requires constant damage to reliably reach its maximum cap. The only people who can truly utilize this set to its maximum potential are zergers or groups with multiple healers that can sit in damage to ensure the max stat (25 total procs) are not constantly lost. Still arguably over performing though, would like to see it reduced to 20-25 WD per stack instead.

Alchemist is incredibly balanced due to its requirement to actively be in combat, as well as its low effective uptime. The only way to increase the uptime is to run jewelry enchants to allow potions to be consumed quicker, which incurs a large operational loss. If anything the set should be reworked so that you can proc the set without being actively in combat, with the compromise of you needing to always have at least 4 or 5 pieces of it active (it was changed to prevent people from enabling the bonus and then swapping to a completely different set while retaining the benefits.)

Senche is also balanced since it requires an active resource dump to keep up. 5 second windows with a ramping cost if used too quickly is extremely punishing for the stats it gives. Lower offensive power than any of the listed Heavy sets in question.

Heavy armor in the sense of passives are relatively balanced. The issue is that Medium is so far behind in comparison due to the amount of undodgeable skills, and the fact that an armor weight based on survivability has infinitely better offensive sets available to it. There's no reason that sets like Ravager, 7th, and Fury should exist on Heavy armor with the offensive power they enable. It's fine to have the Berserker playstyle kept intact, but it just vastly out performs medium on too many builds at the moment.

Mister_DMC

Funny that I bought all my seventh Legion a year ago for pennies, everyone in Bangkorai would just give it away as it was a "Garbage set". Now it's op? Learn to play people, life isn't fair and some people will always be better than you.

ArchMikem

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Funny that I bought all my seventh Legion a year ago for pennies, everyone in Bangkorai would just give it away as it was a "Garbage set". Now it's op? Learn to play people, life isn't fair and some people will always be better than you.

This game is all about numbers, not people being better. It's their gear and attacks that are better. I'm utter crap at PvP but I still manage to burst people down cause my Nightblade hits hard.

Calboy

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Funny that I bought all my seventh Legion a year ago for pennies, everyone in Bangkorai would just give it away as it was a "Garbage set". Now it's op? Learn to play people, life isn't fair and some people will always be better than you.

There are sets already in this game selling for garbage that no one complains about and I guarantee in a years time the meta will be to complain about them once a few youtubers make build videos.

AddictionX

nerf nerf nerf

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Funny that I bought all my seventh Legion a year ago for pennies, everyone in Bangkorai would just give it away as it was a "Garbage set". Now it's op? Learn to play people, life isn't fair and some people will always be better than you.

Yeah its funny how sets go unused for months, even years. Then when a few streamers start using them, they suddenly become OP.

Perhaps good players using decent builds do well in PvP?

I would love it if some streamer or good pvp'er could start using a completely ridiculous set. Lets say 5x ashen grip and 5x Baharaha's curse, record a bunch of 1vX videos with it, and then just wait till we start seeing nerf threads.

TrinityBreaker

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Seventh or not , heavy or not, likes of you will always end up getting destroyed.

Nerf seventh? Ravager exists.

Nerf Ravager? fury exists

nerf fury? alchemist exists

Nerf alch? senche exists

we could go on like this till everbody is running hundings but then you would still complain because people can wear it heavy.


I told this so many times now. Heavy is fine. L2P.

I pretty sure that senche' bite is a medium armor drop set and cannot come in heavy?

Ch4mpTW

OP, I’m going to share with you a link that was shared with me by @Rohamad_Ali in order to clear things up. I’m certain this video will make all of ZOS’ balancing decisions much more clear.
https://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w

I’ll also add this into the mix for a bonus.
https://youtu.be/EitZRLt2G3w

Hopefully those 2 videos will enlighten you a bit as they did for me.

Jake1576

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

OP, I’m going to share with you a link that was shared with me by @Rohamad_Ali in order to clear things up. I’m certain this video will make all of ZOS’ balancing decisions much more clear.
https://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w

I’ll also add this into the mix for a bonus.
https://youtu.be/EitZRLt2G3w

Hopefully those 2 videos will enlighten you a bit as they did for me.

these videos was pretty insightful and opened my eyes to some things thanks for sharing i actually enjoyed watching them

WhoThenNow7

Medium armor needs a buff badly. I think if medium armor put out substantially more damage even with seventh staying the same it would be fair.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Jake1576 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

OP, I’m going to share with you a link that was shared with me by @Rohamad_Ali in order to clear things up. I’m certain this video will make all of ZOS’ balancing decisions much more clear.
https://youtu.be/e31OSVZF77w

I’ll also add this into the mix for a bonus.
https://youtu.be/EitZRLt2G3w

Hopefully those 2 videos will enlighten you a bit as they did for me.

these videos was pretty insightful and opened my eyes to some things thanks for sharing i actually enjoyed watching them

Wow. @Ch4mpTW you are a better man than me. Education works over ridicule. Who new?

Publius_Scipio

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