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An Argument for Zaan
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Stamden✭✭✭✭✭
✭Has anyone used it on Something o ther than a test dummy. I think it will get use but not as much as people think. I dont think it will be that good in pve eitther ..
After playing around with it on PTS, I can honestly say that their were multiple times which I thought "I would rather have Skoria on right now". For any non-single target encounter this set isn't very effective. For any ranged encounter this set doesn't even work. If people would actually test this set in real application other than test dummy's they would see how this set really is.
If this set was to ever get nerfed (which it really doesn't need to be), it should just change the range to around 8m instead to enforce being upclose and give it even more counterplay in PvP. Seriously if you can't figure out how to get out of that kind of range, you have much bigger problems.PC NA
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Joker99✭✭✭The set is over performing, it should be toned down a little. Even in boss fights, current Zaan would still be the monster helm of choice for melee spots, who cares about adds (which die anyway from cleave if the group dps is high) when you get around 1k-1.5k more single target on the boss. There may be 2 or 3 bosses that this monster set wouldn’t be viable on, other than that this set kicks ass. Maybe the multiplier should be 25%.PC-EU
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rebornlogic wrote: »so for people complaining about this set for pvp. you guys obv need to pvp more, the tooltip says 3.9k, which realistically that's gonna hit 400-800 on people for the first tick, then 600-1.2k second tick so on so on, how many have actually tested the set may i ask? if it adds 50% more to the current damage it would be 900-1.8k, if it goes of the base damage it would be 800- 1.6k on the 3rd tick
doesn't seem likes its that broken. seems like you need to test it out or pvp more to know how much damage your gonna take, a 3k max hit being op? if you cant handle a 3k hit and manage it you shouldn't be pvping. a crystal frag from a mag sorc will most likely hit you harder then this set because pvp calculates damage different then pve, aka battle spirit , no crits from proc sets ect
Do you guys even read before making comments like this? We have tested it against players. It hits for 15k-30k depending on the situation.
How you even concluded that a 4k tooltip that goes up by 50% every second will end up hitting people for less than 1k is actually really amazing.Edited by pieratsos on January 14, 2018 2:36PM5 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
This is exactly what I envision for my Magicka Templar...
Exactly...Unyeilding Bias
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Vosital✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
Alright, I'll enjoy dropping your destro DK/Templar immediately then. If you somehow survive long enough to proc Zaan, I'll simply roll and you'll have a worthless monster set for another 15 seconds.
The fact that there is people in this thread that think this thing is going to be good in PvP is hilarious.2 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
This is exactly what I envision for my Magicka Templar...
Exactly...Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
Alright, I'll enjoy dropping your destro DK/Templar immediately then. If you somehow survive long enough to proc Zaan, I'll simply roll and you'll have a worthless monster set for another 15 seconds.
The fact that there is people in this thread that think this thing is going to be good in PvP is hilarious.
Zaan can be proc'ed with a single Light Attack (especially with a High Spell Crit)...
Your claim that you'll drop him before he can do that is a supreme exaggeration...Unyeilding Bias
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭regarding zaan vs grothdar etc.: zaan outperforms them by miles atm. Grothdar is stronger with cleave DPS, but noone cares about that. The only thing which matters is ST-DPS to nuke the boss.
Tbh the only monsterset which comes close to this one is velidreth IF the boss can be hit by more than one of the spores.Noobplar2 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yep and it does about 3k DPS on stamina builds too. So its going to be absolute BiS for stamina in single target fights also.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Vosital✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
This is exactly what I envision for my Magicka Templar...
Exactly...Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
Alright, I'll enjoy dropping your destro DK/Templar immediately then. If you somehow survive long enough to proc Zaan, I'll simply roll and you'll have a worthless monster set for another 15 seconds.
The fact that there is people in this thread that think this thing is going to be good in PvP is hilarious.
Zaan can be proc'ed with a single Light Attack (especially with a High Spell Crit)...
Your claim that you'll drop him before he can do that is a supreme exaggeration...
If they want to have the crit to proc it, they need to go destro. Destro DKs and Templars are the easiest kills ever in PvP. They do not survive my burst without 1h/shield. Even if they do make it long enough to proc it, like I said, I will just roll away and that set will be worthless, and they're still stuck with destro staff. Yeah, good luck winning that fight.
The only way this set will be good in PvP is if the people your facing do not have thumbs.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
This is exactly what I envision for my Magicka Templar...
Exactly...Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
Alright, I'll enjoy dropping your destro DK/Templar immediately then. If you somehow survive long enough to proc Zaan, I'll simply roll and you'll have a worthless monster set for another 15 seconds.
The fact that there is people in this thread that think this thing is going to be good in PvP is hilarious.
Zaan can be proc'ed with a single Light Attack (especially with a High Spell Crit)...
Your claim that you'll drop him before he can do that is a supreme exaggeration...
If they want to have the crit to proc it, they need to go destro. Destro DKs and Templars are the easiest kills ever in PvP. They do not survive my burst without 1h/shield. Even if they do make it long enough to proc it, like I said, I will just roll away and that set will be worthless, and they're still stuck with destro staff. Yeah, good luck winning that fight.
The only way this set will be good in PvP is if the people your facing do not have thumbs.
You realize it's all undodgeable right?
Edit: if it's a duel lol at your medium armor, and if it's BGs I'm glad you gave up the flag, if it's open world I survive, also, your burst will not kill me. Lmfao at the concept that @DDuke and Destro pyromancer is easy to kill!!!Edited by Waffennacht on January 14, 2018 6:12PM0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »If I were to use it in PvP
I'd combine it with a templar or DK, esp Templars with the consistent snares from sweep. Esp with Backlash.
Add in Soul Assault. Backlash, sweeps, proc, SA, GG
Alright, I'll enjoy dropping your destro DK/Templar immediately then. If you somehow survive long enough to proc Zaan, I'll simply roll and you'll have a worthless monster set for another 15 seconds.
The fact that there is people in this thread that think this thing is going to be good in PvP is hilarious.
The best setup is 2h/resto mageblade with Forward momentum and lotus, you won’t be able to escape it or pin it down between zaan+cauul procs. Then when it’s time to go offensive you fear-soul harvest-will-execute+cauul+zaanEdited by Lexxypwns on January 14, 2018 6:52PM1 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rebornlogic wrote: »so for people complaining about this set for pvp. you guys obv need to pvp more, the tooltip says 3.9k, which realistically that's gonna hit 400-800 on people for the first tick, then 600-1.2k second tick so on so on, how many have actually tested the set may i ask? if it adds 50% more to the current damage it would be 900-1.8k, if it goes of the base damage it would be 800- 1.6k on the 3rd tick
doesn't seem likes its that broken. seems like you need to test it out or pvp more to know how much damage your gonna take, a 3k max hit being op? if you cant handle a 3k hit and manage it you shouldn't be pvping. a crystal frag from a mag sorc will most likely hit you harder then this set because pvp calculates damage different then pve, aka battle spirit , no crits from proc sets ect
I call it now: Buff ZaanAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So yeah... having actually tested it in PTS I can say it has some pretty ugly aspects.- Keeps breaking cloak every tick when connected to a NB in its 10m radius.
- 100% OP when you have a gap closer slotted. Hard CC/snares are just icing on the cake... by far the strongest dueling set for melee magicka builds. The only real counter to it here is Shadow Image & BoL/Streak.
But it is somewhat balanced in open world by its long cooldown & rather slow effect. Zaan is not a burst set, not until it has been connected for several seconds. I'm quite sure I'll still be using Skoria in open world on a magicka DK for instance.
Getting Xv1'd by multiple people using this set is going to suck though...Edited by DDuke on January 14, 2018 8:57PM4 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭[quote= wrote:So yeah... having actually tested it in PTS I can say it has some pretty ugly aspects.- Keeps breaking cloak every tick when connected to a NB in its 10m radius.
- 100% OP when you have a gap closer slotted. Hard CC/snares are just icing on the cake... by far the strongest dueling set for melee magicka builds. The only real counter to it here is Shadow Image & BoL/Streak.
But it is somewhat balanced in open world by its long cooldown & rather slow effect. Zaan is not a burst set, not until it has been connected for several seconds. I'm quite sure I'll still be using Skoria in open world on a magicka DK for instance.
Getting Xv1'd by multiple people using this set is going to suck though...
Imo, it never seemed appealing to mDK. For good players you basically need an ulti to kill them open world, which negates the effectiveness of zaan due to short burst windows.
Where it’s going to shine is melee mageblade and magplar where you have longer setup to your burst followed by the ability to deliver big-non ulti damage in conjunction with zaan’s pressure. Then you can rely more on defensive ultimates to mitigate the issue of a cooldown. I’m gonna run it with caaul on 2h mageblade like I already mentioned and I’m also going to slot it in conjunction with Surge on magplar.0 -
Saturn✭✭✭✭✭
✭DPS wise Zaan is also really good for stamina builds. I do think the damage is too high to be honest, like it's okay if it's a bit stronger because it's only single target, but it's like 2k more than any other magicka dps helmet (on a mag dps), and about 1k more than any stamina dps helmet (on a stam dps). Single-target dps is usually the most important part of dpsing, so the fact that it doesn't have AoE isn't a huge loss.Also, let's not forget the number you posted, 3.5k (average ish), doesn't counter in the scaling it gets with damage buffs, meaning in optimal raid groups it will vastly outperform other helms because of it's 50% scaling.
In PvP the high damage and the easy proc management makes it pretty troubling, like if you are attacked by two people using the set and rooted / slowed, you will be obliterated immediately. I can already imagine the close-combat templar beam setups, or like it being comboed with SA, which slows you. I haven't checked yet, but I hope it's possible to counter it with block, as that would help a little bit, but it's still too powerful.
Let's not kid ourselves, this set has to be nerfed, it's just way too powerful right now. Obviously it should still do more dps than other AoE magicka helmets, but it shouldn't be so strong that it's BiS for stam too, that's just moronic.Edited by Saturn on January 15, 2018 12:52AM2 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh and to the poster that said, "well it potentially only adds 900-1300 DMG that increases in PvP"
Think about this:. Slimecraw on a 15k tooltip only adds less than 700 DMG" in your worse case scenario it still deals more damage than all others sets4 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wonder, can Zaan actually proc on damage shields ?Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wonder, can Zaan actually proc on damage shields ?
It should, you can crit on shields, they just don't take any crit damage0 -
glavius✭✭✭✭✭MagickaSo yeah... having actually tested it in PTS I can say it has some pretty ugly aspects.
- Keeps breaking cloak every tick when connected to a NB in its 10m radius.
- 100% OP when you have a gap closer slotted. Hard CC/snares are just icing on the cake... by far the strongest dueling set for melee magicka builds. The only real counter to it here is Shadow Image & BoL/Streak.
But it is somewhat balanced in open world by its long cooldown & rather slow effect. Zaan is not a burst set, not until it has been connected for several seconds. I'm quite sure I'll still be using Skoria in open world on a magicka DK for instance.
Getting Xv1'd by multiple people using this set is going to suck though...
I also heard cloak counters this because it's a beam. Have you tested it yourself in regards to breaking cloak?0