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Suggestion for flying mounts.
Valdek
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I know this will have been posted before. However, here are a few thoughts that may be different.
Awesome views, epic roleplay
Firstly, being able to fly a dragon like in Skyrim in ESO would simply be marvellous. It would be so fun for roleplay and being able to view this incredibly visual game from another perspective would be fantastic, not to mention the video footage / screenshots for game advertisements!
Worried about making ground mounts redundant?
Perhaps there could be a long mount and dismount time (with the creature flying down from the sky and climbing up like Daenerys in GoT). This could make it similar in a practical sense to a wayshrine and mean that people don't just hop on to go short distances and harvest resources faster. It would also make it look even more totally epic...
Concerned about the impact on exploration?
Other games have exploration requirements so that the zones must have been explored already before the flyers can be used there. Seems to work well.
What about flying into forbidden areas?
I'm not a huge fan of the invisible walls, though I can appreciate that they are sometimes useful. Personally, I really like the idea of the slaughterfish (though I do wish there were more underwater swimming in ESO). It wouldn't be too implausible to be mobbed by a few cliff racers and torn off the mount if you were to venture into those areas.
What about the time and energy from ZOS to create this feature?
A little like homes, I imagine they would be an enjoyable extra for those who like to roleplay more than anything. There is clearly a market for such things, and I for one would pay very handsomely to purchase something like this from the Crown Store. I would predict that it would pay for itself and more besides.
Please share your thoughts!
Awesome views, epic roleplay
Firstly, being able to fly a dragon like in Skyrim in ESO would simply be marvellous. It would be so fun for roleplay and being able to view this incredibly visual game from another perspective would be fantastic, not to mention the video footage / screenshots for game advertisements!
Worried about making ground mounts redundant?
Perhaps there could be a long mount and dismount time (with the creature flying down from the sky and climbing up like Daenerys in GoT). This could make it similar in a practical sense to a wayshrine and mean that people don't just hop on to go short distances and harvest resources faster. It would also make it look even more totally epic...
Concerned about the impact on exploration?
Other games have exploration requirements so that the zones must have been explored already before the flyers can be used there. Seems to work well.
What about flying into forbidden areas?
I'm not a huge fan of the invisible walls, though I can appreciate that they are sometimes useful. Personally, I really like the idea of the slaughterfish (though I do wish there were more underwater swimming in ESO). It wouldn't be too implausible to be mobbed by a few cliff racers and torn off the mount if you were to venture into those areas.
What about the time and energy from ZOS to create this feature?
A little like homes, I imagine they would be an enjoyable extra for those who like to roleplay more than anything. There is clearly a market for such things, and I for one would pay very handsomely to purchase something like this from the Crown Store. I would predict that it would pay for itself and more besides.
Please share your thoughts!
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The game is 99.9% designed around terrestrial exploration, so flying and underwater mechanics serve no purpose other than, perhaps, bragging about fall damage numbers.signing off12 -
WatchYourSixx✭✭✭✭Unlike wow, ESO has every zone instanced. As much as I think flying would be awesome, I can only ever see it being only usable on the Dragon continent, and that would be very far away in development.The only thing to fear is, fear itself. - FDR
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This idea and conversation has come up a number of times in the past but as others have said ESO isn't really designed for this.
Flying mount would be cool, but ESO just simple doesn't have the systems in place to allow for them and changes to do so would just require too much development to be feasible I would imagine.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭WatchYourSixx wrote: »Unlike wow, ESO has every zone instanced. As much as I think flying would be awesome, I can only ever see it being only usable on the Dragon continent, and that would be very far away in development.
this. I love flying (I'm a huge proponent of flight in WoW and butted heads a LOT with the anti flight faction),
but
ESO is really not designed with flight in mind and to be honest, I don't think its a good investment of resources to redo zones to allow for flying (the way WoW had to for original vanilla zones). I would LOVE to marvel at all the various zones and their beauty from bird's eye view. I mean... one of the things that sold me on the game in a first place, was climbing a mast on one of the downed ships in Kenarthi's roost and seeing how awesome everything looks (same applies for various towers scattered across the world) however. the other reason why flying in much more important in a game like WoW vs ESO? is that terrain in WoW is absolutely horribly awful to traverse on foot. AND it takes forever of afk time to get from place to place, while in ESO we have transitus shrines and a LOT fewer random tiny hills you cannot climb for some arbitrary reason than WoW has. so... this game will not benefit from flying nearly as much as WoW did. hence.. I'd rather they work on opening up new zones, adding more quests, dungeons, gameplay modes, etc vs redoing the world from scratch to let me see it from slightly higher vantage point than the various scattered towers and mountains of the world.dirty worthless casual.
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Dawnblade✭✭✭✭✭Only if they add flying loading screens...
...anyways, said before but this game is not designed as one contiguous land mass - it is a bunch of instanced maps with background and skybox mats to give the illusion of a larger space - flying just wouldn't work without rebuilding the game.1 -
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✭Would love flying mounts, unfortunately, as previously mentioned the engine isn't designed for any type of vertical gameplay. Why the devs chose to use such a limited engine is beyond me.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Bryong9ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭They couldn't use Dragons because it would go agenst the lore and the other elder scrolls games.
ESO takes place during a Dragon break and they don't show up again till Elder scrolls V Skyrim about 400 years after the events of ESO3 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Where is it that people are trying to get to that flying mounts keeps popping in your minds?
It’s not WoW and that was only done due to the expansion of vertical content.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Where is it that people are trying to get to that flying mounts keeps popping in your minds?
It’s not WoW and that was only done due to the expansion of vertical content.
Why do so many anti flying mount players mention WoW? What does the desire to have flying mounts have to do with WoW? You all do realize many here have not even played that game no?
Doesn't take a lot of thought that other players might enjoy something you guys/gals yourself might not no?
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klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭No. Flying mounts ruin games. People complain about the world looking empty all of the time. This would only make things worse with most people sitting idle up in the sky.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Where is it that people are trying to get to that flying mounts keeps popping in your minds?
It’s not WoW and that was only done due to the expansion of vertical content.
Why do so many anti flying mount players mention WoW? What does the desire to have flying mounts have to do with WoW? You all do realize many here have not even played that game no?
Doesn't take a lot of thought that other players might enjoy something you guys/gals yourself might not no?
That's right, and only people who agree with you are allowed to post their opinions, no?6 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭No. Flying mounts ruin games. People complain about the world looking empty all of the time. This would only make things worse with most people sitting idle up in the sky.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Where is it that people are trying to get to that flying mounts keeps popping in your minds?
It’s not WoW and that was only done due to the expansion of vertical content.
Why do so many anti flying mount players mention WoW? What does the desire to have flying mounts have to do with WoW? You all do realize many here have not even played that game no?
Doesn't take a lot of thought that other players might enjoy something you guys/gals yourself might not no?
That's right, and only people who agree with you are allowed to post their opinions, no?
There is nothing in my post that implies such a silly notion.
The poster I qouted asked where other players get the idea of flying mounts and, repeating myself, it doesn't take a lot of thought that other players might enjoy something you yourself might not.
That last line is not disrespectful, nor is it inflammatory in any way, unless perhaps you are under the impression that everyone indeed likes/hates the same things or worse, should.
Flying mounts ruin games for you? Sorry to hear that. They enhance games for me. If your reasoning is it makes the world looks empty and ruins your immersion the solution is simple, don't buy one?
In any regard this discussion is moot, Eso, in its current form can't support flying mounts.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Where is it that people are trying to get to that flying mounts keeps popping in your minds?
It’s not WoW and that was only done due to the expansion of vertical content.
Why do so many anti flying mount players mention WoW? What does the desire to have flying mounts have to do with WoW? You all do realize many here have not even played that game no?
Doesn't take a lot of thought that other players might enjoy something you guys/gals yourself might not no?
WoW gets brought up, becasue
1. it can get controversial there as well
2. its the most well know game, in part due to having flying mounts in it
3. more importantly flying was added to the zones rather then ship with it, which took extensive rework
its not even about enjoyment. its about how feasible flying in ESO even is, or whether its worth the investment to add.dirty worthless casual.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Where is it that people are trying to get to that flying mounts keeps popping in your minds?
It’s not WoW and that was only done due to the expansion of vertical content.
Why do so many anti flying mount players mention WoW? What does the desire to have flying mounts have to do with WoW? You all do realize many here have not even played that game no?
Doesn't take a lot of thought that other players might enjoy something you guys/gals yourself might not no?
WoW is a game that for years didn’t have flying mounts. Therefore it’s an extremely accurate example as when discussing adding flying mounts you’re asking developers to finish/begin/complete additional artwork and development of areas or what is referred to as putting a top on things.
It has nothing to do with others liking it or not. It has everything to do with WHAT ARE YOU HOPING TO REACH OR ACCESS/DO.
The game wasn’t designed with extremely vertical space so you’re asking to expand playable area. They gave an example of what it would take to allow players to explore in water. The same applies here (see the first armchair developer chat on eso Live)
Think about how quests work now and if you were flying over NPCs and areas, what walls would need to apply and how dumb that could get.
Mounts don’t use the space they have now well so asking for elevation seems odd if absent of rationale. What’s the reason to add it? It can’t be just for funEdited by NewBlacksmurf on January 14, 2018 2:06AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thank you for the clarity, but why make statements such as "this isn't wow"? What does that mean? Did adding flying mounts bring the downfall of wow? Is there a source, other than players opinions of course, stating that adding mounts to wow somehow lead to it's demise or player reduction? These are genuine questions as I'm truly curious.
We all know flying mounts are improbable for eso in its current form, I'm asking for tangible evidence that they are a direct link to the downfall of games that have them, or add them at a later date. And I definitely disagree with having nothing to do with liking something or not because if enough folks like/hate something you bet your ass something is going to change, especially if money can be made/lost from said changes, imho of course.
No adding them just for fun ISN'T a good enough reason, adding them because they most likely would sell like hotcakes would be though. Didn't wow only have like one zone at 1st that enabled flying? Or is that skyrim? Haven't played either so it's a genuine question.
I don't get paid to figure out how to make it work so I'll not offer ideas for free, but it seems you are implying that Zos isn't talented enough to make it work and that there would be zero profit from said changes? I'll admit, maybe I'm naive but I think quite highly of them, housing wasn't in the game and they figured it out, housing didn't have storage and they again, figured out how to make it work, along with open world pvp (dueling) again, adding assets that weren't in the original base game.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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✭well seeingas I would love to see my toon Daenerys ona Dragon,but would have to limit the use of dragons pvp to the blood of old Valyria.0 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Thank you for the clarity, but why make statements such as "this isn't wow"? What does that mean? Did adding flying mounts bring the downfall of wow? Is there a source, other than players opinions of course, stating that adding mounts to wow somehow lead to it's demise or player reduction? These are genuine questions as I'm truly curious.
We all know flying mounts are improbable for eso in its current form, I'm asking for tangible evidence that they are a direct link to the downfall of games that have them, or add them at a later date. And I definitely disagree with having nothing to do with liking something or not because if enough folks like/hate something you bet your ass something is going to change, especially if money can be made/lost from said changes, imho of course.
No adding them just for fun ISN'T a good enough reason, adding them because they most likely would sell like hotcakes would be though. Didn't wow only have like one zone at 1st that enabled flying? Or is that skyrim? Haven't played either so it's a genuine question.
I don't get paid to figure out how to make it work so I'll not offer ideas for free, but it seems you are implying that Zos isn't talented enough to make it work and that there would be zero profit from said changes? I'll admit, maybe I'm naive but I think quite highly of them, housing wasn't in the game and they figured it out, housing didn't have storage and they again, figured out how to make it work, along with open world pvp (dueling) again, adding assets that weren't in the original base game.
expansion that introduced flying - greatly increased WoW's subscriber numbers. expansion right after that, that had zones more zones that required flying to fully explore - had the highest subscriber numbers in history of WoW. flying didn't ruin that game, on the contrary (I wouldn't say the numbers were entirely due to flying- there were many other factors, but at the same time, flying was a major selling point of Burning Crusade, so there's that?), however... WoW is a very different game, not only because its a continuous world between zones, but also because basic travel in WoW has been progressively getting worse. it was always incredibly time consuming and basically an excuse to go afk for 10-15 minutes (not exaggeration, depending on where you were flying), so flying allowed people to take active control of their commute.
meanwhile - travel in ESO is virtualy instant, not counting loading screens. moreover - flight enabled zones in Burning crusade and Wrath of the lich king were designed from ground up with flying in mind. enabling flight in old world? required full redesign of zones, again from ground up. this is a VERY major undertaking. given how much less annoying travel is in ESO, the small amount of fun added from being able to appreciate the zones from bird's eye view? I'm honestly not sure - its worth redesign of the entire vast game. and the ONLY reason WoW feels larger then ESO is because travel is not instant and there are no loading screens between zones on the same continent. otherwise, if we are perfectly honest? it might actualy have a far smaller landmass then Tamriel in ESO does.
basically, becasue they are very different games, structured in a very different way, I just cannot see how flying can genuinely enhance this particular game. and I'm one of those players that are sneered at, because being able to fly is one of the few reasons I still come back to WoW. its just... one of these things that works for one kind of game, but not necessarily the other.dirty worthless casual.
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wenchmore420b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well I guess I have nothing to add as most responses have pretty well covered it. Let's recap.....
1. Game engine and coding are not set up for vertical gameplay i.e Underwater and Flying.
2. Lore Breaking on so many levels. There have been a ton of threads where we have "discussed" this. Basicly, in ESO's timeline there are no dragons around. They were driven to near extinction in the 1st Era and only a few were seen in first of 2nd Era. Skyrim aka 4E201 is 948 years after ESO. Also only a "DragonBorn" can ride a dragon, and there are none during this time line.
3. Zones are instanced, so no flow to flying like in WoW.
4. ZoS would literaly have to re-write the programing and coding to the whole game to allow for this, and right now, they have WAY too many other things that need fixed and / or added.
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