Why is Zenimax making "lying" news post images

Incognitius · January 2018

I'm quite enjoying myself playing a bow-bow warden in veteran dungeons. Was pleasantly surprised with 27k damage on Bloodspawn today. And my rotation is kind of - scrubby. So in the hands of a better player it is a very viable playing style.

So no lies were told.

Just make sure to stand in front of the healer. ^^"

Thomosus · January 2018

SodanTok wrote: »

Are you playing veteran trials? Because that is the only content where group leaders have genuine reason to kick you. In ALL other places it is either your mistake for underperforming or their mistake for requiring unreasonable numbers (or simply being stupid like most pug leaders are)

But yes, doing bow/bow will always be lower DPS that you could do on any other builds. Yes, ZoS does very little to address that (it has been year since last significant bow buff). But that is problem mostly of the top endgame. If you dont care about vet trial leaderboards (and possibly speed runs) bow/bow DPS is fine. The survivability is bigger problem there.

Also for the love of god, forget the long shot passive exists. Delete it from your memory. That passive brings nothing but grief by looking so attractive people actually try to capitalize on it, losing much more damage and group support in process. When you can enjoy it, do, but never prioritize it over standing IN FRONT of your healer.

Atleast someone said something inteligent, thank you.

Samadhi · January 2018

Thomosus wrote: »

To explain this, Im talking about News posts
Like this one: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/26285?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly
The first image you see, there it is again, a group with a tank, mage, dual wielder and a RANGER! A RANGER!

I was trying to play ranged since I started this game and you cant be a ranger here, becouse the damage is low and nobody wants you in the party because of that. If you want to be atleast close to "normal" DPS, you have to be gear to maximum and click&click so much it hurts your finger and even after that, your damage is "normal". I dont want bow to be secondary weapon, or starter weapon. I want to have bow as main and be ranged only ... like mages. (And no I dont wanna hear that it would be OP ... other MMOs have ranged only too and I dont see they would have a problem there)

I am pissed how Zeni makes these images like "this is the right group" yet you cant, becouse... you just cant.

Tho not related to ESRB, there is a bit of an ESRB reference that is relevant to this
For online games, they include a line that online interactions are not rated by ESRB

Unfortunately, ZOS can't make players want you in their party
with that said, have a Stamblade that mains Bow and uses Two Handed on the back bar strictly for the heal+buff
and have found it to be totally viable in all individual play outside of VMA

the balancing nightmare of making everything viable for end-game group PvE
stems, in part, to ZOS' early insistence on making active skills and skill slots the most limited resource in game
If skill lines were twice as large and available slots per weapon bar were doubled,
there would be more room to really tweak weapons
as it stands now, Bow has a bunch of utility options but little in the way of dedicated damage options
which makes it pretty mediocre as a main weapon in group PvE
and outright cheesey in PvP

klowdy1 · January 2018

That looks like every stam character I have ever come across. Don't read into the fact a character uses a bow.

klowdy1 · January 2018

coop500 wrote: »

Sigtric wrote: »

Poor Castle/Firefly dude

Nathan Fillion

Undefwun · January 2018

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

...never prioritize it over standing IN FRONT of your healer.

This

I get annoyed when I heal, and have to face two different directions just to give Robin Hood his minor slayer (and sometimes SPC). The battle is that way, Loxley. If you're afraid of death, standing in front of the healer is actually better than hiding behind the healer. The other problem with this is it can aggro mobs right at the healer if you stand behind healer and shoot before the tank pulls.

When I tank, I let the mobs chase the archer if they aggro before me - don't pick fights you can't finish lol.

Damn Legolas try hards... lol

Got told to go suck.. well something I doubt I would have found if I cared to try.

Because I pointed out couple timese that if he kept pulling aggro and then running backwards instead of drawing to tank.. I wasn't gonna chase him to heal him. Then tried to kick me from group, but the other 2 preferred to keep me.

AzraelKrieg · January 2018

This topic is in need of two images I think

firedrgn · January 2018

Ya i bet the guy in the picture with bow is la spaming. Lmao.

Magic bow other than the nb deal would be sweet.

Unfadingsilence · January 2018

OMG op was right and now looks what's going on I was working on a new class and got in a pug group and I seen we had one other 690CP and I thought OK cool we can make this an easy run........ he was running a lightning staff..... bow build............ I know you want the video so here it is

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/UnfadingSilence/video/42225088

STEVIL · January 2018

Thomosus wrote: »

To explain this, Im talking about News posts
Like this one: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/26285?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly
The first image you see, there it is again, a group with a tank, mage, dual wielder and a RANGER! A RANGER!

I was trying to play ranged since I started this game and you cant be a ranger here, becouse the damage is low and nobody wants you in the party because of that. If you want to be atleast close to "normal" DPS, you have to be gear to maximum and click&click so much it hurts your finger and even after that, your damage is "normal". I dont want bow to be secondary weapon, or starter weapon. I want to have bow as main and be ranged only ... like mages. (And no I dont wanna hear that it would be OP ... other MMOs have ranged only too and I dont see they would have a problem there)

I am pissed how Zeni makes these images like "this is the right group" yet you cant, becouse... you just cant.

1 there is a difference between " i dont like to play abc" and "you cannot play ABC" for purposes of lying.

2 isn't bow still a popular backbar for stamina builds for DPS roles? Seems to me it was often used as a start-up fight weapon to lay down DOT then close and swap to melee for the higher DPS after the tank gets the aggro... so a pic of a party ready for trouble with one char with a bow drawn.... that kinda seems to make that image dead spot on...

So... who is the liar again? Was it ZOS for showing a bowman in a four man team image related to dungeon play?

monktoasty · January 2018

Since when are makes ranged? Their range spells are not dps worthy. Gotta get up close and personal for the best mage spells

OlafdieWaldfee · January 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

for anesthetics and storytelling. )

I LOVE the autocorrect on your phone!

Thomosus · January 2018

STEVIL wrote: »

Thomosus wrote: »

To explain this, Im talking about News posts
Like this one: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/26285?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly
The first image you see, there it is again, a group with a tank, mage, dual wielder and a RANGER! A RANGER!

I was trying to play ranged since I started this game and you cant be a ranger here, becouse the damage is low and nobody wants you in the party because of that. If you want to be atleast close to "normal" DPS, you have to be gear to maximum and click&click so much it hurts your finger and even after that, your damage is "normal". I dont want bow to be secondary weapon, or starter weapon. I want to have bow as main and be ranged only ... like mages. (And no I dont wanna hear that it would be OP ... other MMOs have ranged only too and I dont see they would have a problem there)

I am pissed how Zeni makes these images like "this is the right group" yet you cant, becouse... you just cant.

1 there is a difference between " i dont like to play abc" and "you cannot play ABC" for purposes of lying.

2 isn't bow still a popular backbar for stamina builds for DPS roles? Seems to me it was often used as a start-up fight weapon to lay down DOT then close and swap to melee for the higher DPS after the tank gets the aggro... so a pic of a party ready for trouble with one char with a bow drawn.... that kinda seems to make that image dead spot on...

So... who is the liar again? Was it ZOS for showing a bowman in a four man team image related to dungeon play?

And do you read? I wrote i want bow as MAIN not as SECONDARY or a STARTER.

Thomosus · January 2018

But this is classic "community" of aholes.
People come here, at somehow they know more about me than I do myself.

I did not know the ESO community is full of prophets and sybils, that know exactly what everyone did.
Or people, that are so clever, that they could make next theory of relativity.
MIRACLE!

Typical ESO community.
"Oh noes, he wants a ranger class, what a Legolas/Skyrim tryhard omg"
Yeah, as if other MMOs never had ranger classes.

People wanna feel so different by playing other MMOs, they start to white knight it. I would like to call it, MMO Hipster.

Leogon · January 2018

That image is fine.

This one on the other hand. Let's just say I wasn't happy when they posted this one.

They know we can't do that in our houses because of the item limit. Well, we can but only if the rest of the house is empty.

OrphanHelgen · January 2018

You can pull high dps with bow, and you don't need to click so it hurts your fingers either. You don't click more then normal.
But the problem is the channel time of snipe mostly and that you sometimes have to cancle your heavy attack compared to DW. They did change bow HA not long ago, so you can animation cancle it with a skill. A buff to pve but a nerf to pvp gankers.

Good thing about bow, is that you will get 100% uptime of hawk eye, and you will natural have arrow spray on your bar, which is actually a really good skill atm.
If you want to go double bow, I suggest Master bow and Maelstrom bow. Some crafted *** wont do here for sure.

Dunnn · January 2018

I have a bow build that pulls a fair bit of DPS for PvE. The right sets, skills and rotations are key but once you have a fair understanding of how it works its not much of a problem.

Someone mentioned earlier that you use endless hail and poison arrow then switch bars - this is pretty much it really.
Chuck out a few DoTs, swap bars get closer with a melee weapon, rinse and repeat!

I've been pulling a high enough DPS to contribute in vet dungeons and trials since I finished getting my gear sorted and practising my rotations.

Have you done much research for viable bow builds? as there are quite a few

Huyen · January 2018

Disclaimer: not actual in-game footage.

witchdoctor · January 2018

Thomosus wrote: »

But this is classic "community" of aholes.

Eh, if you make a troll post, you get what you get.

Ilithyania · January 2018

buff-backbar prob. still a cool image

Thomosus · January 2018

witchdoctor wrote: »

Thomosus wrote: »

But this is classic "community" of aholes.

Eh, if you make a troll post, you get what you get.

This is not a troll post, only troll here are the white knights

Thomosus · January 2018

Dunnn wrote: »

I have a bow build that pulls a fair bit of DPS for PvE. The right sets, skills and rotations are key but once you have a fair understanding of how it works its not much of a problem.

Someone mentioned earlier that you use endless hail and poison arrow then switch bars - this is pretty much it really.
Chuck out a few DoTs, swap bars get closer with a melee weapon, rinse and repeat!

I've been pulling a high enough DPS to contribute in vet dungeons and trials since I finished getting my gear sorted and practising my rotations.

Have you done much research for viable bow builds? as there are quite a few

Yes I have done research, many times.
And I dont want to use endless hale and poison and then switch to melee. Thats basicaly being melee and basic for every stam nightblade.
But theres that point, the bow is only viable, if you get the "best" gear or switch. While the rest of the classes dont need it to be on that same level.

This also kills the thing ESO is promote. "Play the game the way you like"
You cant, becouse the "way you like" is just an illusion. For instance, you can really go heavy armor mage as you lose passives from light armor tree.

Magdalina · January 2018

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I would love it if this community would hold the marketing department to the limitations of the game. But when that Moronwind trailer came out, Y'all drooled over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5xst39v8wE

Lets count the sins:

1. 2H stamina warden using Ice damage skills effectively
2. Ice skill that repulses an enemy. Not in the game.
3. Disappearing lighting sword at 2:00. Doesn't exist
4. Cold Jazz hands explosion. Doesn't exist.
5. 3:06 warden ice shield. Doesn't exist.

Major issues with that video: at least 6
Number of *** given by ZOS: 0

Marketing has always been able to lie. Its our fault for allowing marketing to exist. It provides zero real world value and is just a leach on society.

I don't understand these kind of videos at all. They are not related to the actual lore of the game, they are mostly not related to the characters(there is Naryu in Morrowind one but we've never seen the Elf/Breton/Nord from main game ones, nor the epic fight they took part in), they are definitely not related to any ingame mechanics whatsoever(Breton hero is also an archer. BRETON, guys), they look nothing like actual game...it's like if someone was told to make a video on a topic and he's never played the game and all he's been told is like 10 words - "humans and elves vs evil necromancer, epic fight, pew pew" for base game and "dark elf woman and guy with bear, ice magics, epic fight, pew pew" for Morrowind. I'm genuinely confused as for the purpose of these videos and why anyone would try to connect those videos to the game at all when clearly they have no relation whatsoever.

Sure, ads have never been known for their 100% truthful content, but usually they have at least SOME relation to reality. These videos do not.

platonicidealgirlfriend · January 2018

Stump wrote: »

Look closer, they are all using the new set weapons that drop from that dungeon. meaning that Mage in the back is using a stam set. Hybrid Build Fake News.

don't forget that these dungeons launch with the outfitter system : )

red_emu · January 2018

Worm Wizard personality? Interesting. I wonder how RNG'd will that be?

Fallewarrior · January 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

It is pretty infuriating that a dagger does more damage than a bow. Or everything in game for that matter.

I think it's only normal that a dagger does more damage.

If I stab you with a knife you are pretty much definitely gonna rip.
If I shoot you with a bow from a distance away, you might survive!

Princess_Ciri · January 2018

Fallewarrior wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

It is pretty infuriating that a dagger does more damage than a bow. Or everything in game for that matter.

I think it's only normal that a dagger does more damage.

If I stab you with a knife you are pretty much definitely gonna rip.
If I shoot you with a bow from a distance away, you might survive!

Wow this is so true!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best comment I have ever read on these forums, so insightful, awesome AND agreeable.

Thomosus · January 2018

Magdalina wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

I would love it if this community would hold the marketing department to the limitations of the game. But when that Moronwind trailer came out, Y'all drooled over it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5xst39v8wE

Lets count the sins:

1. 2H stamina warden using Ice damage skills effectively
2. Ice skill that repulses an enemy. Not in the game.
3. Disappearing lighting sword at 2:00. Doesn't exist
4. Cold Jazz hands explosion. Doesn't exist.
5. 3:06 warden ice shield. Doesn't exist.

Major issues with that video: at least 6
Number of *** given by ZOS: 0

Marketing has always been able to lie. Its our fault for allowing marketing to exist. It provides zero real world value and is just a leach on society.

I don't understand these kind of videos at all. They are not related to the actual lore of the game, they are mostly not related to the characters(there is Naryu in Morrowind one but we've never seen the Elf/Breton/Nord from main game ones, nor the epic fight they took part in), they are definitely not related to any ingame mechanics whatsoever(Breton hero is also an archer. BRETON, guys), they look nothing like actual game...it's like if someone was told to make a video on a topic and he's never played the game and all he's been told is like 10 words - "humans and elves vs evil necromancer, epic fight, pew pew" for base game and "dark elf woman and guy with bear, ice magics, epic fight, pew pew" for Morrowind. I'm genuinely confused as for the purpose of these videos and why anyone would try to connect those videos to the game at all when clearly they have no relation whatsoever.

Sure, ads have never been known for their 100% truthful content, but usually they have at least SOME relation to reality. These videos do not.

Thats the point, they kinda say, hey look at our cool promo stuff. And you cant actualy be like the things in promo stuff.
I would not go as far as No Mans Sky, but it sucks when they show these things.

SodanTok · January 2018

Thomosus wrote: »

Dunnn wrote: »

I have a bow build that pulls a fair bit of DPS for PvE. The right sets, skills and rotations are key but once you have a fair understanding of how it works its not much of a problem.

Someone mentioned earlier that you use endless hail and poison arrow then switch bars - this is pretty much it really.
Chuck out a few DoTs, swap bars get closer with a melee weapon, rinse and repeat!

I've been pulling a high enough DPS to contribute in vet dungeons and trials since I finished getting my gear sorted and practising my rotations.

Have you done much research for viable bow builds? as there are quite a few

Yes I have done research, many times.
And I dont want to use endless hale and poison and then switch to melee. Thats basicaly being melee and basic for every stam nightblade.
But theres that point, the bow is only viable, if you get the "best" gear or switch. While the rest of the classes dont need it to be on that same level.

This also kills the thing ESO is promote. "Play the game the way you like"
You cant, becouse the "way you like" is just an illusion. For instance, you can really go heavy armor mage as you lose passives from light armor tree.

That is not true. While still yes, bow does less damage, It is always around 15-20% worse what you would get with the same gear and skill as dw. DW builds need gear the same way bow build would do. The only truly hard to get (for some) piece of gear is VMA bow and you need that to do good dps on all stamina builds. Everything else is just bonus.

Alcast · January 2018

Thomosus wrote: »

To explain this, Im talking about News posts
Like this one: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/26285?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly
The first image you see, there it is again, a group with a tank, mage, dual wielder and a RANGER! A RANGER!

I was trying to play ranged since I started this game and you cant be a ranger here, becouse the damage is low and nobody wants you in the party because of that. If you want to be atleast close to "normal" DPS, you have to be gear to maximum and click&click so much it hurts your finger and even after that, your damage is "normal". I dont want bow to be secondary weapon, or starter weapon. I want to have bow as main and be ranged only ... like mages. (And no I dont wanna hear that it would be OP ... other MMOs have ranged only too and I dont see they would have a problem there)

I am pissed how Zeni makes these images like "this is the right group" yet you cant, becouse... you just cant.

You can easily complete all vet dungeons with bow/bow build. Bow/Bow builds do decent damage given you know what you are doing.