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Why is Zenimax making "lying" news post images
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Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭It's cause Stam is op, he's starting the fight on his bow bar. Real question is, why isn't it a VMA bow? Git gud developer image scrub! Lol1 -
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✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »magictucktuck wrote: »ummm every stam DPS uses a bow back bar and walks around with it out for the speed passive...
Yeah and as I wrote, I dont want bow as secondary or starter.
I also wish that bow/bow could work as well as staff/staff or whatever. As for the picture, because players do use bows as starter/secondary, the picture isn't really deceptive
With what people can do with Builds I don't see how they can't make a pure Bow build work. Endless Hail, Caltrops, Rearming Trap, some class skills here and there, and weave Snipes and Poison Arrows. The problem is most people who do use Bow as their main weapon only ever bother to fire off Light Attacks and maybe a Heavy once in a while, thinking they're doing good.
I tried builds, but they result in lower dps anyway. And skill like catrops and etc, these are close range and you cant go closer range, becouse then you lose bonus damage from "long attacks passives"
Those "Long Shot" passives are mostly for PvP. In a group situation, you need to be "Closer" to targets/ group as you will be out of healers range with those Snipe Long Shots.
And its no biggie losing a little of that passive if you have your CP balanced out. Have you tried resetting your CP Points?
Also, hows your rotation? Example: I wear Valkien Skoria monster set. Poison Inject+ DoT = Skoria proc= 25-30k+ dps.
Gear, rotation, CP allotment, Attribute Points all in Stam, etc will make a good bow build..
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✭✭✭✭✭The OPs interpretation is incorrect. I don't see where Zos states that's the right group. Additionally, that DW likely has a bow in his back bar if it's a decent build.
Further, OP doesn't know what's in the back bar of that "ranger".
Finally, Just because OP never figured out how to do a bow build in ESO certainly does not mean it's never been viable. I know of at least one very solid PvE BiS build that was viable through several patches ending in 2017, I think it ended with Morrowind. What I mean by viable, it could pull top numbers, not something that was a token build.
So, yes, it's been possible to play a ranged bow build in ESO. Probably since OP started unless he started in the last ~ 6 months.Edited by idk on January 10, 2018 6:10PM6 -
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✭I bet that medium armor pic looks 10x better than what will be ingame too!"Billions upon Billions of Stars"0 -
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✭✭✭It is pretty infuriating that a dagger does more damage than a bow. Or everything in game for that matter.1 -
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranger_(character_class)
Rangers use melee as well as ranged. You are not only a ranger if you want to use long distant attacks. You can still be a ranger and use melee.
Make a stam dk, call yourself a ranger, and be done.
Ranger doesn't mean just using a bow....Edited by Kel on January 10, 2018 6:28PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is pretty infuriating that a dagger does more damage than a bow. Or everything in game for that matter.
It at all. One if the issues with this game is ranged has often done more damage than melee yet melee has more down time in the decent boss fights due to movement and takes a greater risk.0 -
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✭✭Are you playing veteran trials? Because that is the only content where group leaders have genuine reason to kick you. In ALL other places it is either your mistake for underperforming or their mistake for requiring unreasonable numbers (or simply being stupid like most pug leaders are)
But yes, doing bow/bow will always be lower DPS that you could do on any other builds. Yes, ZoS does very little to address that (it has been year since last significant bow buff). But that is problem mostly of the top endgame. If you dont care about vet trial leaderboards (and possibly speed runs) bow/bow DPS is fine. The survivability is bigger problem there.
Also for the love of god, forget the long shot passive exists. Delete it from your memory. That passive brings nothing but grief by looking so attractive people actually try to capitalize on it, losing much more damage and group support in process. When you can enjoy it, do, but never prioritize it over standing IN FRONT of your healer.Edited by SodanTok on January 10, 2018 6:21PM2 -
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✭If you DON'T use a bow, are you even a Stam build?@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2100
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Rorbakh gro-Khraag - Orc Stamina Templar, AD
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✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »magictucktuck wrote: »ummm every stam DPS uses a bow back bar and walks around with it out for the speed passive...
Yeah and as I wrote, I dont want bow as secondary or starter.
I also wish that bow/bow could work as well as staff/staff or whatever. As for the picture, because players do use bows as starter/secondary, the picture isn't really deceptive
With what people can do with Builds I don't see how they can't make a pure Bow build work. Endless Hail, Caltrops, Rearming Trap, some class skills here and there, and weave Snipes and Poison Arrows. The problem is most people who do use Bow as their main weapon only ever bother to fire off Light Attacks and maybe a Heavy once in a while, thinking they're doing good.
I tried builds, but they result in lower dps anyway. And skill like catrops and etc, these are close range and you cant go closer range, becouse then you lose bonus damage from "long attacks passives"
Lol Caltrops has a range of 28 metersBawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA4 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »You are outraged at this? This??!
Okay
Welcome to 2018 where people get triggered at images!"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭✭Also for the love of god, forget the long shot passive exists. Delete it from your memory. That passive brings nothing but grief by looking so attractive people actually try to capitalize on it, losing much more damage and group support in process. When you can enjoy it, do, but never prioritize it over standing IN FRONT of your healer.
This. One of the main reasons people usually hate bow/bow builds is because 8/10 of them try to run as far away as possible, then blame the healer/tank when they SUDDENLY die out of reach of both heals and taunt(and you're lucky if they just die and don't trigger some mechanic by going so far).
The other big reason is the light/heavy attack and/or Snipe spam as exclusive "rotation".4 -
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✭✭✭...never prioritize it over standing IN FRONT of your healer.
This
I get annoyed when I heal, and have to face two different directions just to give Robin Hood his minor slayer (and sometimes SPC). The battle is that way, Loxley. If you're afraid of death, standing in front of the healer is actually better than hiding behind the healer. The other problem with this is it can aggro mobs right at the healer if you stand behind healer and shoot before the tank pulls.
When I tank, I let the mobs chase the archer if they aggro before me - don't pick fights you can't finish lol.
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Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭SASQUATCH0 wrote: »I seent some double bow bar wardens hit 35k solo juss sayin
I main a bow on my warden but damn, I tried it on my stamblade and it sucked badly in vet levels. Hated it so I went with 2H.Edited by Sevalaricgirl on January 10, 2018 6:49PM0 -
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✭Why is bow so sucky in ESO?~ "You think me brutish? How do you imagine I view you?" - Molag Bal #misunderstood ~0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JamuThatsWho wrote: »If you DON'T use a bow, are you even a Stam build?
One of the points I made. To answer your question, yes. But a weak stam build.1 -
Stump✭✭✭Look closer, they are all using the new set weapons that drop from that dungeon. meaning that Mage in the back is using a stam set. Hybrid Build Fake News.
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Insandros✭✭✭✭OP, never go out with a Modeler, you'll be surprise how the truth is a bit different than Photoshoped picture you see in magazines :P0 -
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✭✭✭LadyAstrum wrote: »Why is bow so sucky in ESO?
It's not. Endless Hail is the strongest skill on any stamina DPS setup, which usually accounts for close to 20% of their total DPS. Poison Injection is a very strong DoT as well and Ballista is one of the strongest (the strongest?) single target ults in the game. It's just that bow/bow builds aren't that good but they're probably better than DW/DW builds or 2H/2H builds.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
boombazookajd✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »magictucktuck wrote: »ummm every stam DPS uses a bow back bar and walks around with it out for the speed passive...
This
wait, we do?
[snip] I knew I was doing something wrong.
I'm not meta enough!!!
[Edit for censor bypass.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on January 10, 2018 7:55PMDrathus Delenu- Dunmer magDk: Shehai Shatterer, Mageslayer, Stormproof, Peak Scaler, Clockwork Confounder, Orderly, Master Wizard, Cloudrest Hero, Undaunted, Dragonstar Arena Champion
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✭✭✭✭emilyhyoyeon wrote: »magictucktuck wrote: »ummm every stam DPS uses a bow back bar and walks around with it out for the speed passive...
Yeah and as I wrote, I dont want bow as secondary or starter.
I also wish that bow/bow could work as well as staff/staff or whatever. As for the picture, because players do use bows as starter/secondary, the picture isn't really deceptive
With what people can do with Builds I don't see how they can't make a pure Bow build work. Endless Hail, Caltrops, Rearming Trap, some class skills here and there, and weave Snipes and Poison Arrows. The problem is most people who do use Bow as their main weapon only ever bother to fire off Light Attacks and maybe a Heavy once in a while, thinking they're doing good.
I tried builds, but they result in lower dps anyway. And skill like catrops and etc, these are close range and you cant go closer range, becouse then you lose bonus damage from "long attacks passives"
You need to learn how to bow-bow. Er...that came off aggressive. Sorry.
What I mean is caltrops is not close range and is one of the best damage abilities you have (the other being endless hail), and the hawk eye passive only affects bow ability damage, not total damage done.
Btw, 20k-25k self buffed dps is enough to do the vet crag trials, so unless you plan on doing vMoL or vHoF next month, that alone is fine...and that's a low effort build.
If you want an archer build, I can absolutely help. They are not dead, they are not crap.Edited by DocFrost72 on January 10, 2018 7:46PM1 -
Morvane✭✭✭✭wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »SASQUATCH0 wrote: »I seent some double bow bar wardens hit 35k solo juss sayin
Agreed. I'm a stam sorc, yes bow is my back bar, but point is, in response to OP, yes bow builds can work.
I can do 20k+ single shot dps with my bow. Just keep trying different gear sets and skill combos.
Good Luck! I too like being a archer and yes it is possible in this game.
20K SINGLE dps?
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Jarryzzt✭✭✭✭1. A ranger?! As in...D&D-inspired Ranger class? That combines an affinity with animals and nature with lethal swordsmanship and archery and is most definitely not a Warden?..
No, seriously, when the OP said "ranger" I flashed back to my first time through Baldur's Gate, as a ranger...
2. Bow/melee is meta. Where has the OP been the past...however much time it's been?
3. People may immediately recognize the artwork the OP is complaining about as being of the "D&D-inspired" genre - a party of four characters, a barbarian warrior, a wizard, an elvish archer and a halfling thief, facing some beastie in a dungeon...I mean, how many hundreds of these marketing images for tabletop and video games, books, et cetera have there been in the past 30+ years? Is this not the dungeon-crawling trope of our lifetimes? So of course the artist went with it...It would have been far more notable if the artist had actually done something different this time. [A party of three people! Or five! With some non-standard warrior-archer-wizard-rogue class archetypes a la the original Warhammer Quest! Eh, what's the use...]1 -
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✭✭✭✭To explain this, Im talking about News posts
Like this one: https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/26285?utm_source=SocialMedia&utm_medium=bitly
The first image you see, there it is again, a group with a tank, mage, dual wielder and a RANGER! A RANGER!
I was trying to play ranged since I started this game and you cant be a ranger here, becouse the damage is low and nobody wants you in the party because of that. If you want to be atleast close to "normal" DPS, you have to be gear to maximum and click&click so much it hurts your finger and even after that, your damage is "normal". I dont want bow to be secondary weapon, or starter weapon. I want to have bow as main and be ranged only ... like mages. (And no I dont wanna hear that it would be OP ... other MMOs have ranged only too and I dont see they would have a problem there)
I am pissed how Zeni makes these images like "this is the right group" yet you cant, becouse... you just cant.
I uh... I..... I can't....
I just can't... My head... it hurts...
Pls send help.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I would love it if this community would hold the marketing department to the limitations of the game. But when that Moronwind trailer came out, Y'all drooled over it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5xst39v8wE
Lets count the sins:
1. 2H stamina warden using Ice damage skills effectively
2. Ice skill that repulses an enemy. Not in the game.
3. Disappearing lighting sword at 2:00. Doesn't exist
4. Cold Jazz hands explosion. Doesn't exist.
5. 3:06 warden ice shield. Doesn't exist.
Major issues with that video: at least 6
Number of *** given by ZOS: 0
Marketing has always been able to lie. Its our fault for allowing marketing to exist. It provides zero real world value and is just a leach on society.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 10, 2018 9:41PM3 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This why kids shouldn't watch politics. There's nothing wrong as everyone said. Instead you should of ask how can I be a ranger too.1 -
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✭✭Bow back bar... Plus I can hit 28k easily with a bow/bow wardenFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Getern✭✭✭I am dissapointed that no one mentioned 1.6 when bow was offering the highest dps in the game.
It was nerfed mostly because of PVP, why else? I personally liked it, but ya know pugs whinning on forums.
I can even agree that bow dps should be the highest due to the fact that it is diffucult to "always" have perfect situation. Sometimes you just cant have enough distance or elevations are too high to do max dmg.
Also #HealersHatesHimHeUseSnipeBuild0