Sorcerer PVP

Molec · June 2016

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response? Bragging rights certainly wasn't what I was getting at, it was a mere example that sorcs are still capable.. But congratulations on Flawless I can imagine you was proud of yourself. A lot of people are saying sorcs are dead when it's totally untrue, I'm simply trying to spread the word however there's always one.. People such as yourself add nothing constructive and come to insult for little reason other than you feel that way today. The dev team is known to adjust classes with each patch forcing people to change play styles, I thought that was understood two years into release?

As for "noob ability", how on earth are the class abilities that work, as well as an Ultimate that produces high damage "noob abilities". Yeah overload is cheesy but it's the closest attack in game that replicates the ES spell casting system and ironically I enjoy the ES casting system. Isn't radiant destruction the biggest noob ability? You have people spamming that left, right and center in pvp atm.

Kas · June 2016

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

nope, i cannot stand "learn to play" statements by those who clearly don't know what they're talking about (either)

Dracane · June 2016

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

Lucky28 · June 2016

Molec wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

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No shield stacking was not destroyed. crit builds where destroyed.

Technically the overall cost of maintaining empowered ward increased up something like 180% compared to last patch which ruined traditional shield stacking and streaking for PVP sorcs as resources deplete much quicker. I still see unkillable sorcs and i still encounter devastatingly powerful ones in PVP, i find my own pvp power to be acceptable and i've even melted some well known pvpers with my overload in a non gank fashion.

yes, this is one of the reasons i say crit build is dead and not shield stacking. going max regen with decently high base damage is not that hard to accomplish. you can't really do that with a crit build anymore and there's not much benefit going crit build anymore either (for any class really) particularly not in PvP.

though. i'm not playing my sorc anymore, not until the surge changes are reverted.

Molec · June 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

misinterpret
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verb
past tense: misinterpreted; past participle: misinterpreted

interpret (something or someone) wrongly.

I clearly confused the blast of damage on execute when velocious curse, endless fury and crystal frags deal their damage almost simultaneously with the word "Bursty". Apologies for those I clearly offended

Molec · June 2016

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

nope, i cannot "learn to play" statements by those who clearly don't know what they're talking about (either)

you clearly cannot compose yourself in a civilized manner when dealing with such things.

DODHitman · June 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

^^^This 100% But because someone cant catch a sorc "built" to escape and/or break a sorc "built" for high shields, we are OP!?!?!?!?! Just as other classes can build for their specialties and become beast at it. Our previous "burst" others keep referring too was a combo of Prox Det (nerfed), Dawn Breaker (nerfed), wrath, frag and curse PERFECTLY timed. Now we are back to the cookie cutter Crushing/OL setup. Again.....

I honestly think they need to get rid of OL since that is the only excuse anyone has on us for OP'ness. Get rid of the dam deadric line too and give us something more truly viable. The only peeps I ever saw messing around with pets were for fun, until recently. Sure they were ok...but for anything end game, they were an absolute joke. I hear they are ok now, I guess.

Dracane · June 2016

DODHitman wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

^^^This 100% But because someone cant catch a sorc "built" to escape and/or break a sorc "built" for high shields, we are OP!?!?!?!?! Just as other classes can build for their specialties and become beast at it. Our previous "burst" others keep referring too was a combo of Prox Det (nerfed), Dawn Breaker (nerfed), wrath, frag and curse PERFECTLY timed. Now we are back to the cookie cutter Crushing/OL setup. Again.....

I honestly think they need to get rid of OL since that is the only excuse anyone has on us for OP'ness. Get rid of the dam deadric line too and give us something more truly viable. The only peeps I ever saw messing around with pets were for fun, until recently. Sure they were ok...but for anything end game, they were an absolute joke. I hear they are ok now, I guess.

Sorcerer is the most predictable class and way too overnerfed.

They keep taking things from Sorcs and give nothing in return. To me, daedric summoning is the last resort of Sorcs. I don't understand, how non-pet Sorcs manage to kill anything in pvp. When I think of myself fighting a stronger stam spec, I don't see where I would get the damage to kill this as a Sorc.

Maybe my mind is just limited here. But I think Sorcerer has nothing usefull to offer besides pets.

I only speak about magicka Sorcs here. Stamina Sorcs seem incredible this patch.

Tonnopesce · June 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

I personally like sorcerers for the metodic playstile everything feel so calm.
When i'm with my stamplar, with overhall more dps more sustain and more burst damage (hidden i can 2 shot players without a ganking build) i feel less powerful that with my sorcerer due to the caotic playstile that melee builds have.
Sorcerers can control the battelfield from a "safe" prespective and choice how to manage situatons.
Even if the attack rotation is "Velocious Curse -cursing shock till the fragments proc -Fragment -execute" you cannot know if and when this combo will work, making sorcerers Still the most umpredictable and dangerous class in pvp.

And wait.... You are the same Dracane that goes around the IC in ebony blade EU?
Cuz if is you, probably you are one of the hardest players to fight against and you are using a 2 pets build.....

Moglijuana · June 2016

Only good sorcs seems to be left...THEY ARE STILL VERY STRONG...check out this random one I ran into and ended up 2vXing with lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejxVt4fzqyg

Dracane · June 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

I personally like sorcerers for the metodic playstile everything feel so calm.
When i'm with my stamplar, with overhall more dps more sustain and more burst damage (hidden i can 2 shot players without a ganking build) i feel less powerful that with my sorcerer due to the caotic playstile that melee builds have.
Sorcerers can control the battelfield from a "safe" prespective and choice how to manage situatons.
Even if the attack rotation is "Velocious Curse -cursing shock till the fragments proc -Fragment -execute" you cannot know if and when this combo will work, making sorcerers Still the most umpredictable and dangerous class in pvp.

Yea, I too underrestimated the benefit of range for too long in pvp

you have a point there.
Yet, Sorcerer is not the only class that can use this benefit. Magicka Nightblades can use it equally good, if not better in many situations. Templars are not bad either, DKs probably not so good.

I still think, Sorcerer is super predictable when you don't have allies assisting you to veil your activities.

Tonnopesce · June 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Molec wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless
-Surge is useless
-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless
-There isnt any spamable dps skill

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

There's nothing wrong with magika Sorcerers, people need to learn how to play the class correctly.
Surge is fine

Crystal Fragments should only be used on proc for the best chance of a hit

Spamable DPS skills aren't in tune with the bursty nature of a magika sorcerer, stack damage on your opponents using a combo combo such as: Boundless Storm, Velocious Curse, Shattering Prison, liquid lightning, Medium Staff attack into crushing shock, endless fury and frag proc.. or: overload on, boundless storm, shattering prison, liquid lightning, overload, overload, endless fury, overload, overload.

I complete all pve group content (except trials which are untested), PVP and vMA on my Julianos/kena/willpower Sorcerer with no issues, very little has changed in reality.

i don't support the whole "sorc dead" QQ, but wtf are you gonna say? "bursty" and then you list several dots, unreliable damage of an inferior morph (shattering) and multiple times the number-one noob ability (petbuilds and extra bars aside), overload.

Again, I don't agree with OP but you really shouldn't tell other people they "need to learn how to play the class correctly" and then follow up with a semantically incoherent list of ***. and nope, the formatted list does not help here.

Finally you bring up your PvE accomplishments. Please have another look at the topic title.
As for bragging rights, I did flawless during the orsinium patch.

One word misinterpreted inspires this kind of response?

I myself don't see, why people consider Sorcs bursty. Sorcerer WAS kinda bursty when the volatile familiar was still as it used to be.
But what burst do Sorcs have ? Crystal fragments which are super easy to avoid, daedric curse which everyone with a brain can easily block once it goes off. Sorcerer has no reliable burst.

Compared to Nightblades: Assassins Will, Incap Strike and then simply surprise attack etc. All of that is impossible to predict and deals much more burst damage than Sorc could.

Even Templars and DKs can have the same, if not better burst than Sorcs, due to being less predictable. Sorcerer has no identity, this class needs adjustments.

I personally like sorcerers for the metodic playstile everything feel so calm.
When i'm with my stamplar, with overhall more dps more sustain and more burst damage (hidden i can 2 shot players without a ganking build) i feel less powerful that with my sorcerer due to the caotic playstile that melee builds have.
Sorcerers can control the battelfield from a "safe" prespective and choice how to manage situatons.
Even if the attack rotation is "Velocious Curse -cursing shock till the fragments proc -Fragment -execute" you cannot know if and when this combo will work, making sorcerers Still the most umpredictable and dangerous class in pvp.

Yea, I too underrestimated the benefit of range for too long in pvp you have a point there.
Yet, Sorcerer is not the only class that can use this benefit. Magicka Nightblades can use it equally good, if not better in many situations. Templars are not bad either, DKs probably not so good.

I still think, Sorcerer is super predictable when you don't have allies assisting you to veil your activities.

As a sorcerer you have always your pets as an ally....
You have killed me so many times that i personally hate when you are around....

DODHitman · June 2016

@Tonnopesceb16_ESO

The problem is, with that combo (now only combo imho) can be easily dodged and/or countered by a seasoned player. As for the "safe" location...every class has a gap closer to catch our (OP) streak. We honestly cant get away with all this cc and us already having a low stam pool. Im not saying we didnt need the shield nerf.....we did. I just feel that the shields, along with cost increase by 10% across the board, prox getting nerfed and dawn breaker, enough is enough already. Not counting the INFINITE amount of times they have nerfed the shiz out of streak already and there stil are peeps crying for more.

IMO everyone saying sorc is in a good spot "compared" to other classes.....is CRAZY!!

Tonnopesce · June 2016

DODHitman wrote: »

@Tonnopesceb16_ESO

The problem is, with that combo (now only combo imho) can be easily dodged and/or countered by a seasoned player. As for the "safe" location...every class has a gap closer to catch our (OP) streak. We honestly cant get away with all this cc and us already having a low stam pool. Im not saying we didnt need the shield nerf.....we did. I just feel that the shields, along with cost increase by 10% across the board, prox getting nerfed and dawn breaker, enough is enough already. Not counting the INFINITE amount of times they have nerfed the shiz out of streak already and there stil are peeps crying for more.

IMO everyone saying sorc is in a good spot "compared" to other classes.....is CRAZY!!

Not a good spot but not bad either i can even say the word "balanced" but is really impossible to obtain balance in this game...

I used to play a magika dk....

Dracane · June 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

As a sorcerer you have always your pets as an ally....
You have killed me so many times that i personally hate when you are around....

Oh, what is your character name ? Hm, can't deny that my pets eat a meteor for me from time to time ahahah

DODHitman · June 2016

I dont think we will ever have balance.....unfortunately. But this back and forth of stams op, then magic pending on the patch is getting tiresome. With as powerful as stam is this patch, I think they could have left our "burst" as it was. It would actually be on par with stams current 5-6k plus WD meta.

kengur22 · January 2018

Sorcer OP

KingYogi415 · January 2018

#buffallsorcs

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

News Headline today: Kengur22 revealed as Mannimarco.

Nice Necro dude.

But on a more serious note, without more information on your build that tiny log says nothing.

Nemeliom · January 2018

Sorcs are great for me. I have been playing one for the last month and I'm having tons of fun.
I have a build that allows me to play the best out of a magicka sorc in which with Overload ultimate I can change playstyle to complete gank sorc.

Using at the moment:
-5 elegant
-5 spinners
-1 domihaus (need to get the slimecraw set yet)

I'm hitting 15-20k overloads with no problem. I will upload a video later tonigh if possiible and show you the playstyle. It's far from weak.
Fengrush must hate me, since I was able to gank him 3 times yesterday with him not being able to do a thing about it. You don't need to be a pro to use this gank (i'm not).

coop500 · January 2018

What am I reading... ?

Try playing a magicka dragonknight or a stamina templar, or ***, a werewolf build, then come back to me about how hard you guys have it.

Waffennacht · January 2018

What top tier PvP players use Sorc anymore?

It's one of the worst PvP classes, only playable because it has mobility

Waffennacht · January 2018

coop500 wrote: »

What am I reading... ?

Try playing a magicka dragonknight or a stamina templar, or ***, a werewolf build, then come back to me about how hard you guys have it.

You mean against the mDK 1v1 un deniably the best dueling class?

That's gonna get x5 power lashes in a row buff?

coop500 · January 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What am I reading... ?

Try playing a magicka dragonknight or a stamina templar, or ***, a werewolf build, then come back to me about how hard you guys have it.

You mean against the mDK 1v1 un deniably the best dueling class?

That's gonna get x5 power lashes in a row buff?

Dueling is almost useless, 9 times out of 10 that 'one lonely guy' has 3 more around the corner coming to beat you up.

Kode · January 2018

I never thought I would see the day that sorcerers shed tears of inequality.

Honestly, if a sorc gets their rotation on most players... they explode. And a sorc one the defensive can be hard to put down.
And that is saying nothing at all of skill... a good sorc melts people and is nearly impossible to burst down, having strong offense, strong defense and good mobility.

coop500 · January 2018

Kode wrote: »

I never thought I would see the day that sorcerers shed tears of inequality.

Honestly, if a sorc gets their rotation on most players... they explode. And a sorc one the defensive can be hard to put down.
And that is saying nothing at all of skill... a good sorc melts people and is nearly impossible to burst down, having strong offense, strong defense and good mobility.

Sorcs got a few small nerfs and now are crying, it's amusing at best, disgusting at worse.

So many other playstyles suffer with nerf after nerf or ignoring their problems, almost all sorc skills (besides pets) work as intended, not plagued with bugs and incorrect tooltips.

The only other playstyle that's in a better place across the board is Nightblade and even that's debatable because they still have bugs.

ParaNostram · January 2018

Kode wrote: »

I never thought I would see the day that sorcerers shed tears of inequality.

Honestly, if a sorc gets their rotation on most players... they explode. And a sorc one the defensive can be hard to put down.
And that is saying nothing at all of skill... a good sorc melts people and is nearly impossible to burst down, having strong offense, strong defense and good mobility.

Thread was from an older time. It got necroed my friend. Sorcs were once absolutely dirt worthless in PvP, only brought around for the negate.

coop500 · January 2018

ParaNostram wrote: »

Kode wrote: »

I never thought I would see the day that sorcerers shed tears of inequality.

Honestly, if a sorc gets their rotation on most players... they explode. And a sorc one the defensive can be hard to put down.
And that is saying nothing at all of skill... a good sorc melts people and is nearly impossible to burst down, having strong offense, strong defense and good mobility.

Thread was from an older time. It got necroed my friend. Sorcs were once absolutely dirt worthless in PvP, only brought around for the negate.

Ahhh~ That explains what I am reading. So why did the mod just move it instead of closing because necro?

Well, explains everything but that other guy....

Waffennacht · January 2018

coop500 wrote: »

Kode wrote: »

I never thought I would see the day that sorcerers shed tears of inequality.

Honestly, if a sorc gets their rotation on most players... they explode. And a sorc one the defensive can be hard to put down.
And that is saying nothing at all of skill... a good sorc melts people and is nearly impossible to burst down, having strong offense, strong defense and good mobility.

Sorcs got a few small nerfs and now are crying, it's amusing at best, disgusting at worse.

So many other playstyles suffer with nerf after nerf or ignoring their problems, almost all sorc skills (besides pets) work as intended, not plagued with bugs and incorrect tooltips.

The only other playstyle that's in a better place across the board is Nightblade and even that's debatable because they still have bugs.

They've never been OP, they've always been pigeon holed, and have only been best at solo PvE.

There's a reason the best players use NBs (stamina usually over mag) Wardens (Stam usually over mag) DKs for small scale (look at pyromancer for your "bad" group play...) Etc

Seriously the worst class, so very limited and boring

Micah_Bayer · January 2018

sluice wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

-Shilds are useless

Shields were OP.
Shields are not useless.

Good players will be keeping there shield up every ~6 seconds anyway.
As a sorc, pre-patch, I had to put my shield up after ~6 seconds or I was dead.

See it like this, after you put your shield up, you go in offensive mode and you have ~6 seconds to burst your target down, otherwise you have to switch to defense, put shield(s) up, heal, streak or find line of sight, etc.)

If you can't burst someone down in ~6 seconds, there is something wrong in your timing, and/or your build.

The biggest danger now, in my opinion, is getting caught with your shields down by a ganker.
but sorcs have the best protection agains't that: Defensive Rune.

If you struggle in switching bars, you can always move Hardened War on your first bar.

TheHsN wrote: »

-Surge is useless

Go with Structured Entropy. It always been better, in my opinion. (Might of the guild proc, 5% health, small DoT)

TheHsN wrote: »

-Cyrstel Fragment is only dps skill BUT: everybody can dodge it cuz it is so slow to hit and thanks to OP shuffle SO also useless

Only DPS skill? Seriously? I don't know what to answer to that... lol

Sorcerer's killer burst damage combo is still the same!
(Other than if you used Magicka detonation, but this isn't a nerf specific to that class)

TheHsN wrote: »

-There isnt any spamable dps skill

Destro staff - Crushing Shock?

You don't use this to KILL, but to keep pressure and to proc your Crystal Frag.
It's still do decent damage, plus it interrupts! (Use it wisely! It's always great fun interrupting Engine Guardians left and right!)

TheHsN wrote: »

how could they destroy one class like this i cant believe...

They needed a nerf. A good sorcerer shield stacking behind there mines was pretty much unkillable.
Shield was OP.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they brought the shield duration back to ~20 seconds.
BUT make them critable as I always thought they should of been.

Say all you want, but sorcerer are still viable.
Offensively, they haven't changed much and they still have better survivability than say the stamblade everyone's complaining about.

Sorcerer still have:
-Great mobility (Streak & Boundless Storm)
-Great defensives abilities (Daedric Mines, Defensive Runes, Hardened Ward)
-Great Burst (that never changed!)

All I see here is a sorc hater...You truly have never played sorc before lol...You understand that you do not have 6 seconds to burst someone down because in two hits the shield is down and in 2 seconds after that you are dead because light armour