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Ultimate should reset out of combat
Gravord
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As title says, ultimate should quickly vanish over time after player get out of combat. Entering new fight with prepared ulti will always benefit blobbing and mindless aoe spamming.
Also groups already in combat getting overrun by more and more new enemies joining fight will have strategical advantage instead being bombed with eye of fire or other ultis soon as newcommers arrive.
This mechanic should be tied to battle spirit specifically to not impair pve. (entering duel mode should also instantly reset any ulti accumulated).
@ZOS_Wrobel
Also groups already in combat getting overrun by more and more new enemies joining fight will have strategical advantage instead being bombed with eye of fire or other ultis soon as newcommers arrive.
This mechanic should be tied to battle spirit specifically to not impair pve. (entering duel mode should also instantly reset any ulti accumulated).
@ZOS_Wrobel
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »no, this is a horrible idea.
i have never seen any mmo that had this.
Warhammer Online, best pvp mmo ever, had that.Edited by Gravord on January 10, 2018 6:08PM1 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I really like this idea. It would almost single-handedly wipe out pure ganking/bombing and restore more actual PvP gameplay (gasp!).3 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »key word -
"Had"
they realized it was stupid and removed it.
Nope. Had it till [snip] EA killed game to promote SWTOR more.
[Edited for bypassing profanity filter]Edited by ZOS_KatP on January 11, 2018 5:50PM0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd suggest not. Everyone is equal in this matter so it doesn't cause an unbalanced situation.
The original mechanic that used to clear ult out after 5 minutes out of combat was an ad idea which is why it was removed to begin with. OP has not demonstrated sufficient reasoning why the change should be reverted.4 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭I'd suggest not. Everyone is equal in this matter so it doesn't cause an unbalanced situation.
The original mechanic that used to clear ult out after 5 minutes out of combat was an ad idea which is why it was removed to begin with. OP has not demonstrated sufficient reasoning why the change should be reverted.
It heavily negates gank one shot builds based on incap and it heavily nerfs blob groups coming to fights with few eye of fire and similar ultis prepared. Thats good reasoning to anyone who is not part of any of the above and its not protecting his unjustified ez mode playstyle based on hitting zombies all over Cyrodill to start next fight from easy ulti kill.Edited by Gravord on January 10, 2018 6:19PM0 -
lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just adding this and changing nothing else is a bad idea in my opinion. It will further devalue expensive ultimates like nova or standard and buff those that are already popular like incap, dawnbreaker, lights champion or spell wall.
However if you would at the same time buff those ground target ultimates and add some kind of dynamic system that allows me to get my standard ready in less than 80 sec when fighting outnumbered, it could be nice.1 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »Just adding this and changing nothing else is a bad idea in my opinion. It will further devalue expensive ultimates like nova or standard and buff those that are already popular like incap, dawnbreaker, lights champion or spell wall.
However if you would at the same time buff those ground target ultimates and add some kind of dynamic system that allows me to get my standard ready in less than 80 sec when fighting outnumbered, it could be nice.
Thats good ideas but have to start positive changes somewhere. Right now theres way too many so called builds that solely rely on ulti openers and way too many so called solo builds that do 0 dmg out of ulti dropping paired with 1 hard hitting skill or finisher. Thats stale and boring gameplay. Too easy obtainable ulti carried to next fight combo with too high overall ulti dmg is leading to boredom heavy armor builds making their only kill with ulti. Non of that have anything to do with skilled gameplay or good pvp.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd suggest not. Everyone is equal in this matter so it doesn't cause an unbalanced situation.
The original mechanic that used to clear ult out after 5 minutes out of combat was an ad idea which is why it was removed to begin with. OP has not demonstrated sufficient reasoning why the change should be reverted.
It heavily negates gank one shot builds based on incap and it heavily nerfs blob groups coming to fights with few eye of fire and similar ultis prepared. Thats good reasoning to anyone who is not part of any of the above and its not protecting his unjustified ez mode playstyle based on hitting zombies all over Cyrodill to start next fight from easy ulti kill.
It really.
Gamkers, if they use an ult to kill someone will not have that ult to kill the next person so if they rely on an ult they have a weak build for attacking the next person.
As for your "blob" groups, whatever a blob group is, if they want ults they'll make sure they have them. If your speaking of zergs, most zergs don't really need the ults if they have they have the numbers.
Idk, since this seems to be an issue for such a small group of players it seems not not be an issue with how ult gen works.
Again, insufficient reasoning to bring change.0 -
Nelson_Rebel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
Zero relation to my point.
You want to wipe away ulti’s after fights
People specifically know to keep ultimates ready after a fight. I’m saying you should L2p and to have your own ultimate ready in any given fight to counter others who have their ultimates ready.
L2keep up your ulti better and stop trying to push your own dark souls judgement on others because you hate that they are playing right
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Gravord✭✭✭✭✭I'd suggest not. Everyone is equal in this matter so it doesn't cause an unbalanced situation.
The original mechanic that used to clear ult out after 5 minutes out of combat was an ad idea which is why it was removed to begin with. OP has not demonstrated sufficient reasoning why the change should be reverted.
It heavily negates gank one shot builds based on incap and it heavily nerfs blob groups coming to fights with few eye of fire and similar ultis prepared. Thats good reasoning to anyone who is not part of any of the above and its not protecting his unjustified ez mode playstyle based on hitting zombies all over Cyrodill to start next fight from easy ulti kill.
It really.
Gamkers, if they use an ult to kill someone will not have that ult to kill the next person so if they rely on an ult they have a weak build for attacking the next person.
As for your "blob" groups, whatever a blob group is, if they want ults they'll make sure they have them. If your speaking of zergs, most zergs don't really need the ults if they have they have the numbers.
Idk, since this seems to be an issue for such a small group of players it seems not not be an issue with how ult gen works.
Again, insufficient reasoning to bring change.
As for nightblades, one kill from sneak with inpap puts nb back on 70% ulti, next 5-10s already makes his ulti ready to use. Way too fast - and i main nb myself.
Blob groups - usually 12-24 muppets stacking on group leader abusing aoe cap and no player collision to create strong aoe zones, carried by overperforming ultis like Eye of fire and many other broken skills before that over the game life span. If they loose ulti after fights over they wont be able to start fight with ulti bombing over and over, simple as that. They willl have to use actual skills, stay alive in combat for some time to build those ultis before they can do what now they are allowed to do on every combat opener.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why are so many people intent on wrecking this game with half baked ideas.
Just play the damn game already.4 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Nelson_Rebel wrote: »Nelson_Rebel wrote: »
Zero relation to my point.
You want to wipe away ulti’s after fights
People specifically know to keep ultimates ready after a fight. I’m saying you should L2p and to have your own ultimate ready in any given fight to counter others who have their ultimates ready.
L2keep up your ulti better and stop trying to push your own dark souls judgement on others because you hate that they are playing right
Not sure how to put it for minds like you to understand. Maybe try reading posts above one more time? I have no problem to keep my ulti going, but its bad gameplay design and bad pvp experience when it relys so much on ulti spam.Edited by Gravord on January 10, 2018 6:33PM0 -
jrgray93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I say just make it wipe when a duel countdown starts. In open world PvP and BGs, not so much.EP: Slania Isara : Harambe Was an Inside Job0 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yup, I agree with this.
The whole concept of wiping at bosses first to "build ultimate" makes me rage in PvE, it's such a waste of everyones' time doing something unenjoyable (wiping).
In PvP, ultimate not degenerating outside of combat leads to unbalanced duels (where one person can have full ultimate at the beginning of the fight) & silly gank gameplay from stealth.
People should be rewarded actually managing to build up an ultimate in a PvP encounter by landing their light attacks properly and using their skills that generate ultimate, not have one right off the bat at the beginning of the fight.
For this reason, ultimate should degenerate by atleast 1/second when out of combat, and reset to zero when dead.1 -
Nyghthowler✭✭✭✭✭
✭As long as this only affects PvP, I could care less.
Quit trying to *** up PvE!I'm not prejudiced; I hate everyone equally !1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd suggest not. Everyone is equal in this matter so it doesn't cause an unbalanced situation.
The original mechanic that used to clear ult out after 5 minutes out of combat was an ad idea which is why it was removed to begin with. OP has not demonstrated sufficient reasoning why the change should be reverted.
It heavily negates gank one shot builds based on incap and it heavily nerfs blob groups coming to fights with few eye of fire and similar ultis prepared. Thats good reasoning to anyone who is not part of any of the above and its not protecting his unjustified ez mode playstyle based on hitting zombies all over Cyrodill to start next fight from easy ulti kill.
It really.
Gamkers, if they use an ult to kill someone will not have that ult to kill the next person so if they rely on an ult they have a weak build for attacking the next person.
As for your "blob" groups, whatever a blob group is, if they want ults they'll make sure they have them. If your speaking of zergs, most zergs don't really need the ults if they have they have the numbers.
Idk, since this seems to be an issue for such a small group of players it seems not not be an issue with how ult gen works.
Again, insufficient reasoning to bring change.
As for nightblades, one kill from sneak with inpap puts nb back on 70% ulti, next 5-10s already makes his ulti ready to use. Way too fast - and i main nb myself.
Blob groups - usually 12-24 muppets stacking on group leader abusing aoe cap and no player collision to create strong aoe zones, carried by overperforming ultis like Eye of fire and many other broken skills before that over the game life span. If they loose ulti after fights over they wont be able to start fight with ulti bombing over and over, simple as that. They willl have to use actual skills, stay alive in combat for some time to build those ultis before they can do what now they are allowed to do on every combat opener.
So we are talking one class ans exaggerating the situation at that. Especially since your talking one shot
So you mean what everyone else calls a Zerg. Again, they really don't need their ults as yiu seeem to think. It wouldn't change much as zergs have been a thing since day one of ESO in Cyrodiil.
Restating the same thing. Still having provided string reasoning for the change. Still seem to be standing with an extremely small group with this idea.
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yup, I agree with this.
The whole concept of wiping at bosses first to "build ultimate" makes me rage in PvE, it's such a waste of everyones' time doing something unenjoyable (wiping).
In PvP, ultimate not degenerating outside of combat leads to unbalanced duels (where one person can have full ultimate at the beginning of the fight) & silly gank gameplay from stealth.
People should be rewarded actually managing to build up an ultimate in a PvP encounter by landing their light attacks properly and using their skills that generate ultimate, not have one right off the bat at the beginning of the fight.
For this reason, ultimate should degenerate by atleast 1/second when out of combat, and reset to zero when dead.
How about not playing with plebs, instead play with people that know when to save or drop an ultimate.
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✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »key word -
"Had"
they realized it was stupid and removed it.
Nope. Had it till [snip] EA killed game to promote SWTOR more.
This is most def. not why war was closed.
[Edited for quote]Edited by ZOS_KatP on January 11, 2018 5:51PM1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yup, I agree with this.
The whole concept of wiping at bosses first to "build ultimate" makes me rage in PvE, it's such a waste of everyones' time doing something unenjoyable (wiping).
In PvP, ultimate not degenerating outside of combat leads to unbalanced duels (where one person can have full ultimate at the beginning of the fight) & silly gank gameplay from stealth.
People should be rewarded actually managing to build up an ultimate in a PvP encounter by landing their light attacks properly and using their skills that generate ultimate, not have one right off the bat at the beginning of the fight.
For this reason, ultimate should degenerate by atleast 1/second when out of combat, and reset to zero when dead.
How about not playing with plebs, instead play with people that know when to save or drop an ultimate.
What does that have to do with anything? Did you read my post?
The entire issue is that people "save ultimates" for the next fight/attempt - this shouldn't be possible. In PvE, a boss fight goes bad what happens?
Raid leader calls "charge ultimate" & everyone wastes precious dying to a boss.
I've even been in groups that even purposedly "charge up ultimate" on the first attempt at boss (because no way you can kill a boss without first wasting 5 minutes getting ultis rdy & respawning, right?).
That's just not "fun" gameplay. Nor is having unbalanced duels or coordinated ulti dumps from some group in stealth.
Bottom line is, ultimate should be something you build up, a "reward", not something every zergling immediately throws at you when you're outnumbered.Edited by DDuke on January 10, 2018 7:25PM1 -
coop500✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yup, I agree with this.
The whole concept of wiping at bosses first to "build ultimate" makes me rage in PvE, it's such a waste of everyones' time doing something unenjoyable (wiping).
In PvP, ultimate not degenerating outside of combat leads to unbalanced duels (where one person can have full ultimate at the beginning of the fight) & silly gank gameplay from stealth.
People should be rewarded actually managing to build up an ultimate in a PvP encounter by landing their light attacks properly and using their skills that generate ultimate, not have one right off the bat at the beginning of the fight.
For this reason, ultimate should degenerate by atleast 1/second when out of combat, and reset to zero when dead.
How about not playing with plebs, instead play with people that know when to save or drop an ultimate.
What does that have to do with anything? Did you read my post?
The entire issue is that people "save ultimates" for the next fight/attempt - this shouldn't be possible. In PvE, a boss fight goes bad what happens?
Raid leader calls "charge ultimate" & everyone wastes precious dying to a boss.
I've even been in groups that even purposedly "charge up ultimate" on the first attempt at boss (because no way you can kill a boss without first wasting 5 minutes getting ultis rdy & respawning, right?).
That's just not "fun" gameplay. Nor is having unbalanced duels or coordinated ulti dumps from some group in stealth.
Bottom line is, ultimate should be something you build up, a "reward", not something every zergling immediately throws at you when you're outnumbered.
TBH I do a lot of dungeons and I never had a leader ask us to wipe, who are you playing with?Hoping for more playable races3
