Would you like the morrowind sustain changes to be reverted?

JinMori · January 2018

Insandros wrote: »

Nope, love the challenge it gave us, everything is doable jsut need more brain, but most people got used to it, so leave it as it. Don't even know why this still comes out after that long Morrowind came out.

More brain is spamming heavy attack, ok...

boggo · January 2018

No

I guess if one half of the playerbase wants to keep the changes and the other half doesn‘t, the changes were good overall.

JinMori · January 2018

boggo wrote: »

I guess if one half of the playerbase wants to keep the changes and the other half doesn‘t, the changes were good overall.

To me it seem like the community mostly didn't like this change, i return for a few days each 2/3 month, just to see how it is doing, and to me it just seem that the population is decreasing every time, longer and longer queue times, not as many people as before, so no, i don;t really think they were good changes, there was enormous backlash when they released the morrowind patch notes, and for a reason.

I don't see this game lasting for many years if it continues like this.

DMuehlhausen · January 2018

No

Getern wrote: »

Wait a second

Is my vision blurry or there is ~40% for No?

This

This is why this game sucks, because of community

Because of this I said No cause it's better this way. Having to think about a rotation is better rather than just spamming whatever you want

idk · January 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

idk wrote: »

The question, while may be entertaining to see what this small population thinks, is mostly moot. It has been well over half a year and Zos seems pleased with the results. If OP wants to stop playing due to these changes that is certainly his/her choice, but Zos seems content to leave these changes and this poll will not change their mind.

OP may not care to change ZOS’s mind but rather wanted to see what the community thinks.

Which community. This poll does not indicate what the gaming community in ESO thinks and probably not even the forum community. It merely shows what those who choose to look at this thread and then choose to also answer the poll think.

It is merely entertainment value only, which as you say, may be what OP is interested in. The entertainment value.

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Yes

It only damaged the game.

The self indoctrinated who use social pressure to silence all criticism of the game cannot despute it well or logically.

T4T2FR34K · January 2018

Other

LOL, you guys use H/LA attacks to kill?

klowdy1 · January 2018

Edziu wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Getern wrote: »

Wait a second

Is my vision blurry or there is ~40% for No?

This

This is why this game sucks, because of community

All conjecture. You think it sucks, but apparently a lot do not. I'm a bit confused as to why you play a game that sucks. Move on, and take your negativity with you.

it suck and community also as we see how just community suck as @Getern mentioned, also as someone else mentioned many many didnt adapted to morrowind, many are forced to those changes and have no way to do it in other way because of sucking communty which instead of wrote to devs or make more threads about this system isnt fun they just adapted without even saying to ZOS this isnt fun because these player have no balls and dignity to say it and now most of voting "no" here are those players

It was kind of hard to get what you were saying, I assume English isn't your first language (no hate). Bad attitudes beget bad attitudes. I don't really think this is a "no balls" issue either, more like a "this is a video game, and I have better things to do than complain" type of thing. I like the changes, and I like the game. No amount of knowledge about the game will change that, because it is fun for me. My point stands, thinking a game is fun or sucks is all opinion, and it looks like 41% (at the time of posting) of the forums agree.

Eyesinthedrk · January 2018

Yes

It was a mistake. All the changes they made didn’t stop the never dying endless sustain dps tanks in pvp. And it’s turned PVE into a ghost town.

Lots of players eventually did exactly what some of you suggested. They moved on.

Insandros · January 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

idk wrote: »

The question, while may be entertaining to see what this small population thinks, is mostly moot. It has been well over half a year and Zos seems pleased with the results. If OP wants to stop playing due to these changes that is certainly his/her choice, but Zos seems content to leave these changes and this poll will not change their mind.

OP may not care to change ZOS’s mind but rather wanted to see what the community thinks.

OP could have made a forum search and found lots of threads on the subjet already made here and there if it was the only reason to, i'm sure a lot also exist on the PTS sub-section

But he'll get his vote from the same people who already said they didn'T like it back then.... Déjà-vu

Sweetpea704 · January 2018

No

I'm not interested in all the unkillable tank builds in PVP, thank you very much.

Getern · January 2018

Yes

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Getern wrote: »

Wait a second

Is my vision blurry or there is ~40% for No?

This

This is why this game sucks, because of community

Because of this I said No cause it's better this way. Having to think about a rotation is better rather than just spamming whatever you want

Not every class could just spam whatever it wanted without decreasing its stat pool. Especially stamina boys (except NB), because its not like u had to heavy attack sometimes or grab shard. In all cases it really dependent on a healer. Did he use Repentance? It was always leaving u stamina pool high after trash fights but was it helping that match on single boss fights?
Every, literally every DPS was not using any sustain glyphs/sets. We were always dependent on a support. Did u ever DPSed with Stamina Templar before? Stamina pool was just disappearing. Have u ever thought how long could Magica Sorceror do his rotation without Elemental Drain/Siphon Spirit?

Tl:dr
No you couldn't spam whatever u want, unless support was good enough

But still back in a day, support healers were minority, mostly parts of decent guilds. Now? I assume its even worse, since there is so many casuals like never before.

ToRelax · January 2018

No

Heavy attacks are a too powerful tool for resource management atm. For some reason ZOS seems to like them, though.

The_Smilemeister · January 2018

boggo wrote: »

I guess if one half of the playerbase wants to keep the changes and the other half doesn‘t, the changes were good overall.

No. If one half supports the changes and the other half doesn't then the change either needs to be reviewed in order to make it more popular or they need to find the path of least resistance on both sides and find the middleground.

If this poll is proportionally accurate to to how the ESO community feels about this issue (it's unlikely but not beyond the realm of possibility) then it shows that ZOS should definitely have reviewed this change before implementing it. Now assuming that is the case it means that the majority of the playerbase has been ignored, hence the changes have not been good overall as the community generally sees this in a negative light.

rain.bird · January 2018

No

No, and didn't go far enough

Doctordarkspawn · January 2018

Yes

rain.bird wrote: »

No, and didn't go far enough

I guess you'd like the game to be a ghost-town?

Mic1007 · January 2018

Yes

Ah, yes. When we could actually use a skill as our main ability instead of a heavy attack... I miss those days. :'(

The_Smilemeister · January 2018

rain.bird wrote: »

No, and didn't go far enough

May I ask what you'd suggest "we" do to go further then? A statement without substance is otherwise a statement not worth making.

HatchetHaro · January 2018

Yes

People have adapted long ago, and even I have made a couple of detailed guides on the current stamina meta.

I still miss the Homestead days where I didn't have to worry about heavy attacks, though, and can just focus completely on maximizing damage output.

So would reverting the changes be feasible? Not really. Would I want to see it? Yes!

lolo_01b16_ESO · January 2018

Yes

I agree that ressource management was too easy in the past. But as long as they don't find a way to let other sources of ressource recovery be usefull and stop forcing us to use clunky heavy attacks, I'll vote for reverting the changes.
Don't get me wrong, I don't vote for easy mode boss kills. I personally wouldn't mind nerfing skills to a point where top dps are ~35k with raid buffs. But don't want to see rotations that mainly are just refreshing dots and doing heavy attacks at the top.

zyk · January 2018

No

JinMori wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

People already adapted fairly well

It's not about adapting, it's about whether you like it or not.

I made it pretty clear that i don;t like the heavy attack that you are forced to put into a rotation, i much prefered the homestead/one tamriel way of playing, where you could go full damage light attack, but still sustain thanks to synergies between classes.

You're not forced to do that. It may be optimal, but there are alternatives.

klowdy1 · January 2018

Getern wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

Getern wrote: »

Wait a second

Is my vision blurry or there is ~40% for No?

This

This is why this game sucks, because of community

All conjecture. You think it sucks, but apparently a lot do not. I'm a bit confused as to why you play a game that sucks. Move on, and take your negativity with you.

You dont have to be confused becasue since last 10 months I barely login to the game. (less than 10 times, not for long).
I am technically not playing the game.

What I can tell for sure, that u have not even half of the knowledge about the game I have.

I can literally bet big money that all those voting NO are filthy casuals, who never done a vTrial and all they do in PVP is zerging. Maybe they find that 10v1 is easier now, I dont know.

You will tell me, I wont belive that competent player would ever say that he likes the current sustain. Heavy attack struggle is a joke, are u aware how many trial focused guilds have gave up? Do u think that managing resources for solo player is easier now? Did u consider that he might have sacraficed something for that? No, becasue u are on the casual side of community.

How dense do u have to be to think that current sustain is better? I stated, but I will repeat: Community ruins the game.

Lol, so you just come back to complain now and then?

RebornV3x · January 2018

Yes

For PVE yes without a doubt for PVP no

FakeFox · January 2018

Yes

Not fully reverted, but most of it. Taking away cost reduction CP was good I think everything else was overkill. I want light attack rotations to be competitive again, as DPS has become a absolute joke with the heavy attack rotations. Heavy attacks perfectly cancel automaticaly, so there is pretty much no skill involved anymore.

Kambo · January 2018

Other

Getern wrote: »

You dont have to be confused becasue since last 10 months I barely login to the game. (less than 10 times, not for long).
I am technically not playing the game.

What I can tell for sure, that u have not even half of the knowledge about the game I have.

I can literally bet big money that all those voting NO are filthy casuals, who never done a vTrial and all they do in PVP is zerging. Maybe they find that 10v1 is easier now, I dont know.

You will tell me, I wont belive that competent player would ever say that he likes the current sustain. Heavy attack struggle is a joke, are u aware how many trial focused guilds have gave up? Do u think that managing resources for solo player is easier now? Did u consider that he might have sacraficed something for that? No, becasue u are on the casual side of community.

How dense do u have to be to think that current sustain is better? I stated, but I will repeat: Community ruins the game.

1) I find it hard to believe that you have more knowledge about the game than most other people on this thread due to the fact that you use "u" instead of "you" and that you have misspelled a fair share of words, as well as made grammatical errors.

2) Claiming someone is a "casual" is more of a compliment than an insult. It means they don't take the game as seriously as other people do, that they play the game casually. Quite frankly I don't have the time to sink into Trials, but according to you that makes me a lesser player than you, when in reality it doesn't.

3) I don't mind the sustain changes due to the fact that I came back after CWC came out, but I was around for a long time before that too. Heavy Attacks feel powerful to me and so I don't mind adding them to a rotation instead of blindly hitting my mouse button over and over at the speed of light. And it seems there are people who would agree with this, or have a similar opinion.

4) Ironically I find the community to be one of the best ones for an MMO that I've seen. People genuinely care about the state of the game and express their opinions in a nice and calm way. If you went on the WoW forums and tried to have a civil discussion then you'd be sorely disappointed. In no way is the community at fault for anything in this game, you simply take personal offense to them not having the same opinion as you.

5) You can have whatever opinion that you want, but berating someone else for not having the same opinion as you is flat out stupid. People are allowed to have different thoughts and beliefs and should also be allowed to express said thoughts and beliefs.

Vahrokh · January 2018

Yes

I don't know exactly how the whole mechanics worked (I had just returned to ESO), but I had plenty of more fun.

I could attempt solo hard content and bosses, because without being forced to heavy attacks I could dodge and go all over the place. With enforced heavy attack the fights became stationary and so one has to be a sitting duck during heavy attack (yes you can move but slowly) and risk being 1 shot.

Ley · January 2018

Other

I took a break from the game in 2015 and came back after Morrowind. I didn't really get to experience the before and after effects. That being said, sustains feels fine to me now. Only time I ever have to pay more attention to my sustain is during long boss fights and that seems reasonable.

ParaNostram · January 2018

No

Morrowind sustain changes made the game play more like what I was excited for in the beta days, a game where you actually have to manage your resources and play with an inkling of strategy. I hated that before Morrowind the meta was to animation cancel so you could spend resources faster.

Let me say that again, a game that was designed and pitched originally as a game that would not have cooldowns but instead resource management gave you so many resources that you literally couldn't spend them fast enough.

It had to be done. Morrowind brought the game back for me. I'm sorry that you all who enjoyed the pre Morrowind balance, but that is not what ESO was pitched as when I joined. I'm glad this game resembles the one I wanted to play again.

Zer0oo · January 2018

Yes

For endgame pve the changes were bad.

coop500 · January 2018

Other

I would like it tweaked, they lowered both the floor and the ceiling and for the ceiling, all they had to do was adapt and they're fine, but for the floor they made things frustrating.