Overall Health of PvP, how would i fix it? Leave your suggestions here.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2018

I'm going to be very blunt but heres what i believe needs to happen to make Cryodill a much more enjoyable experience.

1: Vicious Death: Removed or Reworked

Now that AoE cap's are no longer a thing, this set in my opinion does not need to exist. It provides a lot of grief and pigeon holes magicka players into using it. I would much rather prefer a pvp environment without this particular set. Without this set, your actions and how you play dictate if you survive a fight... not the medium armour vampire who feels safe huddling near your group.

2: Eye of the Storm: Slight Rework

Reduce Radius but Increase Damage. (To get that Eye of the Storm feel)
Disable Gap Closing while in use.
Reduce Speed while Channelled. (Gives players a bigger opportunity to disengage)

These changes are self explanatory.

3: Remove/Rework No stamina regeneration while Blocking/Sprinting

Now that block cost is normalised i feel stamina regen should not be cut to 0 while blocking or sprinting. This would enable regen builds to not be so punished by this mechanic. I feel this mechanic makes the game feel way to clunky and leaves less opportunities to reposition. It is often more costly to reposition then to dodge/tank/out heal your damage taken. Cryodill is a vast place yet i feel like im always over-encumbered.

4: Battering Ram's

It is way to easy to flip a keep before anyone can respond. Make it so Ram's only deal significant damage to keep door's while the Lumber-mill is claimed for that keep. This way players can respond to keeps being taken because you may see a lumber-mill trying to be obtained by the enemy faction. You could also trick the enemy factions by taking lumber-mills with a small group pulling aggro from that faction thinking its about to be siege'd.

5: Reduce Offensive keep ticks significantly and Increase Defensive ticks significantly.

Currently its just better to obtain empty keeps for AP instead of defending your own. This makes avoiding fights better then defending them. This is the opposite of pvp and why the term PVD exists (Player VS Door).. simply because its faster to RAM a keep door and flip it then defend your own for AP.

6: Make Siege weapons more scary.

In CP campaigns they are simply not killing anyone and all debuffs are being instantly purged. I could care less if its a point and click siege. Its a role-playing game. Not street fighter.

7: Negate: No longer dis-spells ground based ultimates

Ground based ultimate's need some love. You dont see standards, veil of blades or nova's that often in pvp because of Negate or things like Earthgore.

IxSTALKERxI · January 2018

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I'm going to be very blunt but heres what i believe needs to happen to make Cryodill a much more enjoyable experience.

1: Vicious Death: Removed or Reworked

Now that AoE cap's are no longer a thing, this set in my opinion does not need to exist. It provides a lot of grief and pigeon holes magicka players into using it. I would much rather prefer a pvp environment without this particular set. Without this set, your actions and how you play dictate if you survive a fight... not the medium armour vampire who feels safe huddling near your group.

Yes, it can be adjusted. The damage can be made a 2 second DoT so it's 2 ticks of 10k damage instead of 1 tick of 20k or whatever (tooltip numbers). So it still punishes stacked players but doesn't instagib them.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

2: Eye of the Storm: Slight Rework
Reduce Radius but Increase Damage. (To get that Eye of the Storm feel)

Disable Gap Closing while in use.

Reduce Speed while Channelled. (Gives players a bigger opportunity to disengage)

These changes are self explanatory.

Imo, reducing radius to 8m would be enough for now. Fix it so it doesn't damage players through floors underneath the caster also.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

3: Remove/Rework No stamina regeneration while Blocking/Sprinting
Now that block cost is normalised i feel stamina regen should not be cut to 0 while blocking or sprinting. This would enable regen builds to not be so punished by this mechanic. I feel this mechanic makes the game feel way to clunky and leaves less opportunities to reposition. It is often more costly to reposition then to dodge/tank/out heal your damage taken. Cryodill is a vast place yet i feel like im always over-encumbered.

This would basically undo everything... you can easily get more stam regen than block cost on a character to permablock. You could also sprint forever. Besides, the game is about resource management after all.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

4: Battering Ram's
It is way to easy to flip a keep before anyone can respond. Make it so Ram's only deal significant damage to keep door's while the Lumber-mill is claimed for that keep. This way players can respond to keeps being taken because you may see a lumber-mill trying to be obtained by the enemy faction. You could also trick the enemy factions by taking lumber-mills with a small group pulling aggro from that faction thinking its about to be siege'd.

Noo not mahh ram! </3
Adjust the HP of the door / walls of the keep and have resources make a greater impact on that HP.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

5: Reduce Offensive keep ticks significantly and Increase Defensive ticks significantly.
Currently its just better to obtain empty keeps for AP instead of defending your own. This makes avoiding fights better then defending them. This is the opposite of pvp and why the term PVD exists (Player VS Door).. simply because its faster to RAM a keep door and flip it then defend your own for AP.

Reduce flat O'tick bonus by 33% or divide it by the amount of players capturing the objective like the rest of the tick.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

6: Make Siege weapons more scary.
In CP campaigns they are simply not killing anyone and all debuffs are being instantly purged. I could care less if its a point and click siege. Its a role-playing game. Not street fighter.

Make siege ignore CP resistances, but keep in mind this will make it borderline too strong. I think siege is like 5-10% too powerful in non-cp but thats just me.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

7: Negate: No longer dis-spells ground based ultimates
Ground based ultimate's need some love. You dont see standards, veil of blades or nova's that often in pvp because of Negate or things like Earthgore.

Just nerf earthgore!

umagon · January 2018

Add player collision and end the era of players clustering on top of each other. It’s time for it to stop, no more of this non-sense. It has been going on for years now. Large scale pvp could be so much more, but with the clustering it never evolves past the “lets find a new way to spam aoe” state.

IxSTALKERxI · January 2018

umagon wrote: »

Add player collision and end the era of players clustering on top of each other. It’s time for it to stop, no more of this non-sense. It has been going on for years now. Large scale pvp could be so much more, but with the clustering it never evolves past the “lets find a new way to spam aoe” state.

Just don't go into a corner, or people can stand in front of your character and go afk for 10 mins. Oh and then there is server performance. Collision hits servers real hard.

Narvuntien · January 2018

Add more incentive to get away from the central keeps. E.g my supply train idea.

I do agree that other than oils no one seems to die to seiges they are very teligraphed and the damage isn't really meaningful. Its too easy to heal through them. They should at least stun on hit and knock people out of thier own siege.

Ban addons

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2018

Drop proc sets.
Drop monster sets.
Drop stun.

Tasear · January 2018

Let's just introduce traps?

Ones you can buy and place near a keep your guild owns. ( Reason to cliam keep)

It would help maybe more Tactical game play.

Gold sink

Juhasow · January 2018

umagon wrote: »

Add player collision and end the era of players clustering on top of each other. It’s time for it to stop, no more of this non-sense. It has been going on for years now. Large scale pvp could be so much more, but with the clustering it never evolves past the “lets find a new way to spam aoe” state.

I see atleast 10 potential ways it could be exploited in realy really bad way and could make PvP worse.

umagon · January 2018

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

Add player collision and end the era of players clustering on top of each other. It’s time for it to stop, no more of this non-sense. It has been going on for years now. Large scale pvp could be so much more, but with the clustering it never evolves past the “lets find a new way to spam aoe” state.

Just don't go into a corner, or people can stand in front of your character and go afk for 10 mins. Oh and then there is server performance. Collision hits servers real hard.

Allowing dodging to go through a few players if the end location is clear alleviates excessive body blocking. The servers handle collision just fine as it is on for all of the npcs. Enabling collision for players isn’t going blow up the server. Having 60+ standing in one small spot spamming aoe impacts the server performance much more than collision ever would.

Qbiken · January 2018

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Drop proc sets.
Drop monster sets.
Drop stun.

Sure, remove 60+ sets of the game......sounds healthy....

In general I feel that both healing and healing reducing effects needs to be toned down a bit. There´re so many sources of healing and since it´s really easy to mitigate a lot of damage (if you know how certain mechanics works) you can without much effort become really tanky and have a lot of healing. Healing reducing effects are also incredible strong and needs to be toned down a bit. The befoul-passive is a big part of this. Also sets like Durok´s Bane needs to have a longer cooldown and/or shorter duration. Many people complained about "unkillable" permablockers in PvP a while ago and blamed block-cost for this while it´s actually a mitigation and healing issue if you ask me...

Lord_Ninka · January 2018

On the live server I see 2 major issues: Permablock builds and Eye of the Storm clusters. I still need to check it out on the PTS, but is sounds like the change to block cost has removed the first issue.

As for Eye of the Storm, I've long thought that a AoE cap on stacked identical abilties would be in order. I'm sure the devs would be better than me at working out the exactly right formula, but even a simple hard cap at, say, 3 identical abilities stacked would be an improvement, I think, so that you only take damage from 3 Eye of the Storm at the time, or only 3 caltrops at once.
I would still have it possible to freely stack different AoEs, so that you can take damage from up to 3 of each AoE in the game at the same time, for instance 3 Eye of the Storm, 3 Volley, and 3 wall of fire all at once.

Along with the removal of the general AoE cap, I think it would make it a small challenge instead of dead easy to succesfully mow people down by bunching up in a tight ball and spamming AoEs, while still allowing more counterplay to tight balls of players than on the current live server. And above all, it would encourage variation within a group and discourage 20 people bunching up stacking the exact same ability. And sometimes the zerging group just is bigger and stronger than yours, and in that case I would personally much rather be mowed down by 20 people using a wide variety of skills than by a mindless Eye of the Storm train.

Oh yeah, and Earthgore needs some sort of nerf, but I'm not determined how, so I'm just waiting to see what the devs figure out.

Trashs1 · January 2018

holy ***.... so many grap sugestions in one topic hurt my eyes....

BohnT · January 2018

Fix the lag this is the first thing that need to happen. The balance is crap but if i can't use skills properly it doesn't matter at all

Balance classes:
Bring Stamwarden, Magsorc and Stamnb back to the the other classes and buff stamdk a bit.

Stamwarden needs a general overhaul for pvp and pve
Magsorc has to lose BoL it's the same problem as shimmering shield
Stamnb will be fine when Fear and incap ccs are fixed so you can actually break them

All classes need an easy was to get rid of snares and roots combined with a immunity for a few seconds.
Right now you lose nothing to snare people but getting rid of snares is linked to crazy high opportunity costs

Balance Xv1 mechanics all of them

Remove poisons from the game

martinhpb16_ESO · January 2018

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Drop proc sets.
Drop monster sets.
Drop stun.

So that presumably your toon becomes invincible.

Xsorus · January 2018

Step one

Stop adding MOBILE PBAE or MOBILE high damage cones to the game.

IxSTALKERxI · January 2018

Xsorus wrote: »

Step one

Stop adding MOBILE PBAE or MOBILE high damage cones to the game.

That'll probably be next DLC's proc set. An overpowered version of grothdarr.

AllPlayAndNoWork · January 2018

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

Drop proc sets.
Drop monster sets.
Drop stun.

So that presumably your toon becomes invincible.

No, so everyone has a level playing field.